Although their first half against Mainz was shit tbh. Lahm in the role of the number 6, Contento and Rafinha both playing isnt that impressive. Their second half especially because of Götze was good though.
Pep Guardiola's Bayern
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I love how the full backs are instructed to come inside when Bayern Munich are in possession of the ball. I still think they'll win the Champions League.
Lahm in the CDM role absolutely makes no sense to me when they have Martinez. Is he injured?
Yes. Been out for a month or so.
He basically has been out all season. He didn't start a single game so far, played overall less than 90minutes in 3 sub appearances. We missed Schweinsteiger, Martinez, Thiago, Kirchhoff and Hoijberg for large parts of the season, so basically all 3 players and both young talents who are suited for the holding midfielder role were out at the same time and Lahm did a brilliant job, just watch the game against City in which he made Toure and Fernandinho look like schoolboys.
You have to say that both Pep and this Bayern team are really something special.
I still prefer lsst season's Bayern. But you can't deny they are an excellent team.
I enjoyed Henckes team more. These are just not as exciting somehow.
The offense after the first goal when Götze was off was exactly the one of last season. And it was the the same system - a 4-2-3-1. It still functions. It was the same when all four were formed the last time like this against Hannover. They pulled 5 goals in 17 minutes then...
I didn't think they were that special to be honest, I think you can see the Pep philosophy creeping in there but its not something that can be done in a single season. But in terms of going "feck me, what a team" they aren't quite there yet.
I think they will be even better next season, Lewandowski to come and no doubt strengthening other areas plus a year of Pep behind them.
I think they will be even better next season, Lewandowski to come and no doubt strengthening other areas plus a year of Pep behind them.
They're very good at keeping the ball. Thats about the only thing their performances had over the City and Liverpool sides who gave us a hiding.
They're boring and predictable. I hope they don't win it again.
Liverpool would give them a run for their money with the pace they have in attack.
I'm pretty sure he's made them worse.
I don't think they'll win the CL this year. They looked quite vulnerable against us in both legs.
I reckon Mourinho's Chelsea, Real and Athletico could give them a run for their money in the Semis.
I reckon Mourinho's Chelsea, Real and Athletico could give them a run for their money in the Semis.
Either this was a plan well executed, or most sides would have won against them over these two legs. Not sure at all if they were just incapable, or if they were controlling the game until we scored then reacted perfectly. I have a hunch it was more a case of incapability though.
I think that the people saying that last years team was better are holding them to higher standards than last year because they won the treble. They didn't face a team that defended like united did last year
Real's forward line would utterly destroy them if they went into the matches with our tactics. Bale and Ronaldo would blitz their back line and wouldn't spurn the chances we did over 2 legs.
I still think they'll win it. Guardiola's Barca didn't have it plain sailing in the knockouts either time they won it, they struggled more than once to get past inferior teams. All they have to be is slightly better than their opponents.
Hoping they fail miserably mind, I like the fact that no one has retained the CL and would like it to remain that way. It seems a million miles away right now but I'd like United to be the first team to win 2 on the bounce.
Hoping they fail miserably mind, I like the fact that no one has retained the CL and would like it to remain that way. It seems a million miles away right now but I'd like United to be the first team to win 2 on the bounce.
Are they capable of the defensive performance it takes to even have a chance against Bayern? Better than us they may be, it's been a while since Liverpool have faced a top European team, I think they'd be in for a shock and get mullered (excuse the pun).
They have a great team. As good a first 11 as any. And they completely dominate teams. That being said, when I've seen them this season they've been technically brilliant but pretty boring. I preferred them last season.
This Bayern team is good but it's not great. I think Athletico and Chelsea would give them a run for their money. Both teams are solid defensively and would set up a similar way which we did tonight and last week. Both teams play counter attack football and if they took their chances I think they would beat this Bayern side because they can stop them from scoring.
As for Real, I don't think RM would be able to beat them. Of course RM have the best attack out of the teams left in the competition but they are also the weakest defensively. I don't think they have the discipline to sit and defend whilst Bayern have the ball.
As for Real, I don't think RM would be able to beat them. Of course RM have the best attack out of the teams left in the competition but they are also the weakest defensively. I don't think they have the discipline to sit and defend whilst Bayern have the ball.
He's made them worse somehow. They aren't as physically intimidating as they used to be. The 2 v 1's outwide have all but disappeared and like his barca team they are vulnerable to counters and a team that defends deep. This team ain't beating atl madrid, mark my words.
I wasn't overly impressed with them over the two legs. I found them quite predictable in attack, and their centre backs aren't great. A better side with a better manager will punish them.
They were an almost perfect side to watch last season, great all around and played quick football, capable of attacking any way, and having world class talent all around. Isolating them to one tactic like this was always going to have them be more boring and 1 dimensional. It's a very effective tactic but it does not lead to exciting football. For what its worth, I wouldn't mind United playing it as it's still way better then the shit we've seen but I prefer the style of classic United teams, or how Madrid play, or Dortmund. Attacking with pace, quick passes and counter attacks. Makes for more exciting games.
Barcelona circa 2009-11 were a better team.
They are already matching what Barca 09-11 did in the league and might become the first team to retain the CL title.
He will still improve them. Lewandowski will be there next year and if he wants to play Lahm as a DM, then he might also buy a right back.
Rafael could be a good option for them and an upgrade on Rafinha, if the rumours that Moyes wants Coleman are true. What a depressing thought.
He will also have worked with them for longer and his ideas will have been perfected.
So why were they so toothless when we sat back?
They seemed to need the game to open up to look good which I thought was odd for such a highly rated team. Barca at their peak would be frightening on the ball and more importantly penetrating, no matter how big a bus you put in front of goal. Their technical quality and understanding would open you up even in tight spaces even though you might eventually get a desperate tackle in to save the day. Bayern just kept passing it about aimlessly and a lot of their final action was hopeful. Was if a case of nervousness or a difference in quality?
They seemed to need the game to open up to look good which I thought was odd for such a highly rated team. Barca at their peak would be frightening on the ball and more importantly penetrating, no matter how big a bus you put in front of goal. Their technical quality and understanding would open you up even in tight spaces even though you might eventually get a desperate tackle in to save the day. Bayern just kept passing it about aimlessly and a lot of their final action was hopeful. Was if a case of nervousness or a difference in quality?
I don't enjoy watching them as much as I did last year. They dominate possession but it lacks penetration a lot of the time. Still a very good side though, obviously.
Bayern were pretty ruthless in Bundesliga. This season in the CL they've had some shaky moments, but also made a team like City look like sunday league players. As I said they have already won the bundesliga in record time, are in the cup semi-finals and CL semi-finals. Can't ask for more.
No they haven't. It's a much easier league.
They weren't very good last night and could have lost the tie had Rooney scored from that chance. But there are games like that and it is difficult to maintain the same level of performances throughout the season. Their next games will be more telling I guess.
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Lets talk about that formation in the first half. The feck was it? Have they ever played like that before? They had only two proper defenders and Lahm/Alaba played inside Robben/Ribery in almost a central midfield role.
Lahm/Alaba were CMs when Bayern had the ball, and FBs when Bayern didn't have the ball. Pep likes his tinkering, but his tactics didn't work until they switched back to a more conventional formation.
http://www.theguardian.com/football...actics-clever-bayern-munich-manchester-united
Just posted that article a couple of posts above.
The line which sticks out the most is:
The line which sticks out the most is:
Barca have Messi, Bayern don't.
And definitely much more enjoyable to watch.
It's true! They would have been much better off if they just played a normal formation and had Robben-Lahm ganging up on Evra.So Barca of previous years have already attained that mythical status that old sides get.
Barca struggled plenty against teams who defended with two banks of four. For starters they went out against Inter in 2010, which included a well deserved 3-1 win for Italians in their home leg, using the CA tactic to perfection. Barca looked average in attack against a 10 men Inter at Camp Nou.
Same against Chelsea in 2012, again unable to score the winning goal they needed against 10 man defense. Then there is the semi final tie against Chelsea from 2009. No need to remind how lucky they were to get off with that 1-1 at Bridge. Even if we discount all the terrible ref decisions in that match, they were completely hopeless in attack and needed a wonder goal by Iniesta to go through.
FWIW, I think that Barca team would have beaten this Bayern won in an one off final but Bayern would have beaten them over a two legged tie.
Barca struggled plenty against teams who defended with two banks of four. For starters they went out against Inter in 2010, which included a well deserved 3-1 win for Italians in their home leg, using the CA tactic to perfection. Barca looked average in attack against a 10 men Inter at Camp Nou.
Same against Chelsea in 2012, again unable to score the winning goal they needed against 10 man defense. Then there is the semi final tie against Chelsea from 2009. No need to remind how lucky they were to get off with that 1-1 at Bridge. Even if we discount all the terrible ref decisions in that match, they were completely hopeless in attack and needed a wonder goal by Iniesta to go through.
FWIW, I think that Barca team would have beaten this Bayern won in an one off final but Bayern would have beaten them over a two legged tie.
People don't seem to understand how hard it is to score against teams who have no intention of doing anything but camping in front on their penalty area.
Yes they struggled to score but when a side is so defensive everyone struggles to score. If we had played the 180 minutes like we played the last 20 minutes they would have hammered us and racked up a cricket score and everyone would talk about how great they are.
Just watch them when they play Real or Atletico to see how good a side they are when they're playing a team who actually want to win the game.
Yes they struggled to score but when a side is so defensive everyone struggles to score. If we had played the 180 minutes like we played the last 20 minutes they would have hammered us and racked up a cricket score and everyone would talk about how great they are.
Just watch them when they play Real or Atletico to see how good a side they are when they're playing a team who actually want to win the game.
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