Just tell me this, is Ranieri one of the greatest coaches of all time then?
Pep's spending is insane (£941m and counting at City)
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Just tell me this, is Ranieri one of the greatest coaches of all time then?
What on earth do you think he did in Mexico and with Barca B? The very things that got him the chance to coach Barca A in the first place?
Away with your facts.
I bet he'll get both Messi and Kane in a few weeks. And he'll get even balder somehow!
Disagree. He started with a backbone of Fernandinho, De Bruyne, Aguero, David Silva and Kompany. He didn’t have to buy the spine of the squad.
He spent £50m plus in positions where that price was very expensive e.g goalie and defence. Only now when he needs to replace Aguero are we seeing a potential £100-£150m striker being signed.
United always get compared to City in terms of spending from the season when Fergie retired. Our squad was shocking and didn’t have a spine at all. We then were signing players on the back of a market which City and PSG inflated.
Let’s not forget as well just how much he spent at Barcelona. £60m plus Eto’o for Ibrahimovic? That’s basically £100m for a striker back in 2009.
If you were one of the greatest at what you do, would you rather accept to work for a big successful richer company or go for a smaller struggling company?
i think most of us would choose the bigger paycheck.
I never get why people moan when Pep or Mourinho spend heavy. They earned the right the hard way.
Pep in particular with no top level experience took over a declining barca with a deeply fractured dressing room. Yet restored them to the summit of global football
Pep in particular with no top level experience took over a declining barca with a deeply fractured dressing room. Yet restored them to the summit of global football
The Grealish thread on Bluemoon is brilliant. First few hundred pages theyre all like "villa is his level" "so glad we aint buying this guy" , posts from late 2020 and those same posters are claiming hes worth 100m now. Fantastic reading
Sure.
That said, his legacy can legitimately be questioned.
City and Guardiola’s achievements to me, all seem rather hollow.
I wouldn’t be. SAF would definitely be top if players where worth what they are now. We got so many good deals in 90’s early 2000’s due to most PL clubs not having the money they do now. For example we signed Cantana for 500k but if he was around today nevermind inflation Leeds wouldn’t need the money and would demand 80m +.
SAF would be top but that’s because he had 20+ years. If we had to sign Rio these days it’s be bigger than Maguire/VVD fee. Pep spending obviously is the most due to him being here 4/5 years and if it was 21 it would out do SAF by a mile
Which one? The Barcelona that finished 3rd 18points behind Madrid or the City that finished 4th level on points with Man Utd
So? They had finished 18 points behind Real Madrid in the league. Had a deeply fractured dressing room with a host of unhappy players. He even sold Ronaldinho. As a team they were in decline and with very poor team spirit. In spite of many of them still having their best years ahead of them. Pep rebuilt all that, reunited them and got them all conquering again whilst having zero top level experience.
How anyone can deny that wherever Pep has gone he's had obscene resources aside from Bayern who he underachieved with and took over from a manager that had just won a treble. In my eyes he's a genius as maximising the potential of the number one squad in their respective leagues but will never be anything more than that until he takes on a real challenge like SAF, Klopp and Mourinho did.
How much has Peps City spent now? Over a billion isn’t it?
If City had kept Mancini but spent the same amount as they have spent with Pep, I think they would've won at least the same amount of trophies and maybe the CL too.
He has spent crazy amounts.
He has spent crazy amounts.
And if City had bought all these players in 1992, they'd be at the bottom of the spending table!!! Shows what a fraud Ferguson was.
Touché.
What does that mean ? It’s obvious SAF would be top and that is not a insult even in the slightest he was here for 21 fecking years. Pep obviously leads the spending and even take away inflation and his spending at City is just ridiculous. All I’m saying is just basic maths I spend 10£ a week for a year and someone else spends 50£ for 10 weeks I still outspend them but there spending is higher.
I even said that it was a myth that we outspend everyone before oil clubs because our bet spend under SAF was never that high it’s just a myth
I'm going to hate this lot almost as much as you lot. A year ago it was "we can't afford Grealish, no way".
Three years is a long time to wait to reply to @Bubz27 ??
The pathetic, nonsensical arguments from guardiola and city's grovelling fans about not 'being able to spend x' as if they held some sort of moral high ground have been firmly shown up as the blatant bullshit they always were. What mental gymnastics come next will be a treat
100 Million for a marginal upgrade at best, astounding.
I find the die hard supporters of Pep just as strange as those that say he isn't a great manager, because the truth is clearly somewhere in between. Obviously Pep has innovated consistently and found consistent domestic dominance wherever he's gone, but there's also a point to be made that looking at the squads he's working with it's not that special to create some awesome tactic to blow away Burnley or Southampton. I'd go so far to say that the job he did at Barca is by far his most impressive even considering he had a trio of players that are the greatest the game has seen at their respective positions. He cleaned out the dressing room and identified a system that his players could play around the strengths of the squad, and even getting rid of bigger names without missing a beat.
Bayern was a joke, he obliterated the league and failed miserably in the UCL with a side that just won the treble. And this City side he has now is possibly the deepest squad he's ever had, with a genuine second XI that could be title favorites. So no one's going to find it as some great achievement if he does finally manage the UCL success that has evaded him this year, as his only real threats are probably from within England and possibly PSG if they get Messi. The spending has truly gotten absurd though considering the side he's already working with. People want to compare City to our spending when the nuance is that the two sides in terms of staying power and quality within respective years have been miles apart, and it's needed much more work from our end to get back to a level where we are now that people can respect and admire from a strength standpoint.
Bayern was a joke, he obliterated the league and failed miserably in the UCL with a side that just won the treble. And this City side he has now is possibly the deepest squad he's ever had, with a genuine second XI that could be title favorites. So no one's going to find it as some great achievement if he does finally manage the UCL success that has evaded him this year, as his only real threats are probably from within England and possibly PSG if they get Messi. The spending has truly gotten absurd though considering the side he's already working with. People want to compare City to our spending when the nuance is that the two sides in terms of staying power and quality within respective years have been miles apart, and it's needed much more work from our end to get back to a level where we are now that people can respect and admire from a strength standpoint.
Oil money, cooking the books, it was the only way MCFC could ever have hoped to compete tbh.
Does anyone else think that while Grealish is decent, £100m is getting on for about 3 times what his value should be?
Give him the best squad and he’ll win the league with them. Admirable but it’s nothing to shout about. For all the plaudits, his Barca would have been nothing without Messi.
That City team he took over still had de Bruyne, Silva, Aguero, Kompany, Toure, Fernandinho and Sterling. It wasn't a 4th place quality team and everyone knew it, they were only about 2 years removed from winning a league title.
They did spend and smash record but nowhere near the success.
It is cumulative. Pep inherited that side and then spent even more.
If that was given to Mancini he would've achieved the same number of trophies.
That's what I find the funniest of this, managers can't win.
If they overachieve with a smallish budget it's "yeah but where's there's medals?" and the managers who can answer those calls with an array of them it's "yeah but even Shannon from Scunthorpe could have won with those teams".
I don’t think this is true.
No one is knocking what Klopp has achieved at liverpool, what Wenger did at Arsenal or what Ferguson did at United.
They all found solutions, were resourceful and built title winning teams with restrictions and within their means. They were flexible and maximized their resources to outwit the competition. They didn’t just bludgeon it into submission with over a billion spent.
When you are owned by a country and there are no restrictions, you can’t have the gloss too. If you spend as majorly as he has, you have to win and you have to win big. It’s expectation rather than hope with those resources.
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"Modern football sometimes makes me sad. Why buy a striker for £50 million when there is one waiting in the youth team?" – Pep Guardiola in 2009
I was referring more to the modern/social media era but with that in mind 2005-2011 Wenger and pre 2018 Klopp actually enhance my point, the former was competing against two of the if not the two best teams in the PL era and was turned into a meme for lagging behind them.
Klopp was routinely mocked for winning nothing in his first few years, many even thought Jose was doing a better job at United and even when he started winning it was considered because of his two big investments.
If this current general mindset was a thing in the 90's could you even imagine the stick Fergie would have got for taking the likes of Yorke and Cole from potential challengers?
Rainieri name turn out time to time by Man City fan when we are arguing about winning the title with lower ranked team. This is not a comparison at all, comparison must be apple to apple. But I do agree Ranieri was 10 times better than Pep that season.
First, we can not make Pep managed a lower ranked team nowadays, he next destination would be PSG, no one else can afford him and giving him big money to spend like Man City.
He has spend more than 900 million net in 5 or 6 seasons, if you need a coach could bring you success with money spent you go for him ( without CL title I mind you ).
If you prefer to spend low, 100 million net in 4-5 seasons and also bring you some trophies ( including CL) you can go for Klopp, Net spending just more than 100 million in his time at Liverpool ( 2 biggest signing money are generated by selling that Brazilian midfielder to Barcelona x 10 times of his value )
If you have no budget, and still hope for one season wonder, you can go for Rainieri.
If you want a coach who bring you positive net spending, you bring back Wenger.
They all have different resources, you can not judge who is better.
Ask SAF first before you say Pep is the all time greatest coach.