Pep's spending is insane (£941m and counting at City)

el3mel said:
No it's not. Get your facts on first.

United didn't spend any thing higher than 150m each summer since Fergie retired. That's a very ordinary budget and most clubs even spend higher than that. You had a crap summer past year and still ended up spending about 170-180m. Liverpool spent +170m this summer as well. 150m isn't a high budget.

City are the only English club who spent +200m in one summer.
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Chelsea last season
Morata - 66M
Bakayoko 40M
Drinkwater 40M
Rudiger 35M
Zappacosta 25M

Total 206M

In addition to Giroud, Emerson and Barkley in the winter for over 50M

Summer 2004/05, 14yrs ago Mourinho spent 170M on transfers,
https://www.transfermarkt.com/chels...31/plus/0?saison_id=2004&pos=&detailpos=&w_s=
So I think its hypocritical to lament about Pep spending in support of Mourinho who invented the act
 
kaiser1 said:
Chelsea last season
Morata - 66M
Bakayoko 40M
Drinkwater 40M
Rudiger 35M
Zappacosta 25M

Total 206M

In addition to Giroud, Emerson and Barkley in the winter for over 50M

Summer 2004/05, 14yrs ago Mourinho spent 170M on transfers,
https://www.transfermarkt.com/chels...31/plus/0?saison_id=2004&pos=&detailpos=&w_s=
So I think its hypocritical to lament about Pep spending in support of Mourinho who invented the act
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Because no one was talking about Chelsea over spending at this time, right ?
 
Kag said:
Mourinho has been backed with millions of pounds. He's since served up football that Bournemouth fans would relent. They've even scored more than us in one of his league campaigns here. He's been backed, we've brought in excellent players during this time and he's a huge fan of both Valencia and Young. Just because you think they're shite does not mean that he does. If you disagree then so be it, but no manager needs to replace a full starting eleven (and then some) to play some semblance of dynamic and entertaining football.
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Well said.
 
It's really simple. The owners of Man City, like Chelsea a few years ago and recently tbf, are playing real life fantasy football. They just want the glory of winning and want to win everything. Pep is kind of doing the same, but to have a go at him or even City for buying the best players in the world, is insane.

Pep can't be blamed really and to be honest just because he has the best players doesn't mean they will instantly play the best football. To discredit him in that way is disrespectful and unfair. Fergie often got the same thrown at him as did Mourinho wherever he has managed and many other managers have too. Money doesn't guarantee success, just look at Liverpool or PSG for proof of that.

Yes money and talent helps, but it still requires great management. On top of that you can see Pep's input and style all over the way City are playing. The same as you can see Klopp all over the Dippers and Mourino's boring and negative anti-football bullshit all over United.

I hate City as much as the next person, but knocking them or Pep like this is laughable and smacks more of jealousy than anything else. Don't hate the players, hate the game.
 
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Son Of Sam said:
He’s not been backed. You cannot tell me Pep has been backed and then use the same statement for Jose. That’s just ridiculous. Jose has actually done beyond my expectation considering the state of the squad he inherited & the miserable amount of money he’s been given to improve it.

Of the 9 players Jose has brought in, 2 have since left. So 7 players, a very good goalkeeper and 3 average players are expected to compete with Pep’s 18 players bought plus the 5 world class players he inherited? You gotta be kidding me...

Then you mentioned the players Jose was given an obligation to improve. So let me get this straight, Pep gets a pass to sell Iheanacho & discard Joe Hart(England’s #1) as at then but Jose must break his back to improve Martial/Rashford? Such double standards from the media & the fact that you are kowtowing it is nauseating.
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He has been backed. He's replaced the first team entirely apart from De Gea and Young. The latter he thinks is brilliant.

Beyond expectations? You must tolerate playing like an expensive Stoke a lot more than I do? Our attacking football has been hideous and I don't use that adjective lightly. Teams with far worse squads play much better football.

Yes, Mourinho is responsible for developing both Martial and Rashford. Only a plonker would argue otherwise.
 
kaiser1 said:
Chelsea last season
Morata - 66M
Bakayoko 40M
Drinkwater 40M
Rudiger 35M
Zappacosta 25M

Total 206M

In addition to Giroud, Emerson and Barkley in the winter for over 50M

Summer 2004/05, 14yrs ago Mourinho spent 170M on transfers,
https://www.transfermarkt.com/chels...31/plus/0?saison_id=2004&pos=&detailpos=&w_s=
So I think its hypocritical to lament about Pep spending in support of Mourinho who invented the act
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First of all, those fees are in Euros, not pounds, so you need to keep that mind. Second, which is even more important, is the net spend. Chelsea's net spend is quite respectable , because they had to sell some important players over the years (Mata, KDB, Salah, Lukaku, Matic, Oscar etc) in order to finance their transfer deals. City's net spend is ridiculous over the last few years, they've basically bought a new squad for Pep without having to lose any quality in the process. Chelsea were doing the same in Abramovich's early years, but there was no FFP around and it wasn't a secret that they were working at a huge loss. Now City are reporting profits every year, which is a joke, given how much it cost them to assemble this current side.
 
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City are spending big in order to dominate the premiership and establish City as a global brand .They want to be worldwide as commercially successful as United. It has taken United a lifetime to become arguably the biggest sports brand in the world.
In recent years City are getting closer and closer to us and with sponsors wanting to be linked to winners then the next few years could see City overtake us commercially and so achieve there aim.
United are on a slippery slope we are gaining sponsors based on our history not on recent performances we need to get on the major trophy trail again quickly we are already at 5 years without a premiership and anywhere near winning a Champions lge is becoming a distant memory
Woodward is a sound businessman constantly with his eye on the rolling profit performance but he is not a football man and doesn’t realise a sustained run of failure will see sponsorship money begin to tumble eventually
 
Sing you a song said:
City are spending big in order to dominate the premiership and establish City as a global brand .They want to be worldwide as commercially successful as United. It has taken United a lifetime to become arguably the biggest sports brand in the world.
In recent years City are getting closer and closer to us and with sponsors wanting to be linked to winners then the next few years could see City overtake us commercially and so achieve there aim.
United are on a slippery slope we are gaining sponsors based on our history not on recent performances we need to get on the major trophy trail again quickly we are already at 5 years without a premiership and anywhere near winning a Champions lge is becoming a distant memory
Woodward is a sound businessman constantly with his eye on the rolling profit performance but he is not a football man and doesn’t realise a sustained run of failure will see sponsorship money begin to tumble eventually
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Most of Citys major sponsors are still linked to their owners and will be for some time yet. Brands want to be linked with winners but more than that they want global audiences and City are miles away on that front. In many places people still don't know there are 2 clubs in Manchester.
 
every manager spends money, look at how he's improved Sterling, Sane, KDB for example as well. he's got a system and is buying players to fit the system. Something United haven't done since SAF, lets take Pogba as the perfect example payed a world record fee for him and had no idea how to play him or what system he was going to play him in, also city last season played some terrific football and was well worth the money they have spent
 
11101 said:
Most of Citys major sponsors are still linked to their owners and will be for some time yet. Brands want to be linked with winners but more than that they want global audiences and City are miles away on that front. In many places people still don't know there are 2 clubs in Manchester.
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In all honesty the whole of the world knows that manchester has 2 clubs these days .
They are on the brink of becoming the dominant force in the biggest,most successful, most watched league in the world
 
Sing you a song said:
In all honesty the whole of the world knows that manchester has 2 clubs these days .
They are on the brink of becoming the dominant force in the biggest,most successful, most watched league in the world
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It really doesn't. It will take time and it can't be bought.
 
Kag said:
He has been backed. He's replaced the first team entirely apart from De Gea and Young. The latter he thinks is brilliant.

Beyond expectations? You must tolerate playing like an expensive Stoke a lot more than I do? Our attacking football has been hideous and I don't use that adjective lightly. Teams with far worse squads play much better football.

Yes, Mourinho is responsible for developing both Martial and Rashford. Only a plonker would argue otherwise.
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100% agree with this although I would argue the only position he has not replaced is the right wing. That said, he has been back and has spent between 300 and 350m which is a massively outlay in 2 years and 4 windows. The football should be much better.
 
Kag said:
He has been backed. He's replaced the first team entirely apart from De Gea and Young. The latter he thinks is brilliant.
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So who’s the replacement for Valencia, Young & the RW position? Other clubs have 2 good players in each position and you are talking he’s replaced the first team. Replaced them with whom?

Beyond expectations? You must tolerate playing like an expensive Stoke a lot more than I do? Our attacking football has been hideous and I don't use that adjective lightly. Teams with far worse squads play much better football.
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He actually said it this morning in his presser. He said United coming 2nd last season was one of his best managerial feats. I tend to agree with him. This disjointed team finished above Liverpool that included Salah, Spurs that included Harry Kane & Chelsea that included Hazard/Kante. We don’t have any player as good as the aforementioned players. It was a biblical miracle!

Yes, Mourinho is responsible for developing both Martial and Rashford. Only a plonker would argue otherwise.
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He’s not responsible for developing them. Man Utd is not a developmental centre. If they adapt to his football style then FairPlay do them. If they don’t, they should be shipped off with aplomb. Our rivals are doing smart business, spending money and fixing the holes in their squad. You want Jose to be developing inconsistent players - how does that work?
 
Son Of Sam said:
So who’s the replacement for Valencia, Young & the RW position? Other clubs have 2 good players in each position and you are talking he’s replaced the first team. Replaced them with whom?



He actually said it this morning in his presser. He said United coming 2nd last season was one of his best managerial feats. I tend to agree with him. This disjointed team finished above Liverpool that included Salah, Spurs that included Harry Kane & Chelsea that included Hazard/Kante. We don’t have any player as good as the aforementioned players. It was a biblical miracle!



He’s not responsible for developing them. Man Utd is not a developmental centre. If they adapt to his football style then FairPlay do them. If they don’t, they should be shipped off with aplomb. Our rivals are doing smart business, spending money and fixing the holes in their squad. You want Jose to be developing inconsistent players - how does that work?
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Yeah, how can two under 21 players not just develop themselves. Today's overpaid teens, not only stealing a living but also having the audacity to need to be actually coached and guided.
 
Son Of Sam said:
So who’s the replacement for Valencia, Young & the RW position?
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Dalot & Mihki I guess?

Son Of Sam said:
He’s not responsible for developing them. Man Utd is not a developmental centre. If they adapt to his football style then FairPlay do them. If they don’t, they should be shipped off with aplomb. Our rivals are doing smart business, spending money and fixing the holes in their squad. You want Jose to be developing inconsistent players - how does that work?
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You don't think it's part of a mangers job to improve and develop the players under their tutelage?
 
Donk87 said:
Dalot & Mihki I guess?
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Mkhi has left, Dalot is a rookie meant to understudy Valencia.


You don't think it's part of a mangers job to improve and develop the players under their tutelage?
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Not when you demand instant results. How many of Jose’s peers are developing youth players in their first team? The last 3 PL winners weren’t developing youth players - they were making meaningful signings that aided their title victories.

Pep has sold Iheanacho(20 years), Enes Unal(20 years) and several others in the youth category. Why must Jose be saddled with youngsters that aren’t willing to learn? Why is Lingard improving but Rashford/Martial stagnated? A manager can only do so much. If players aren’t willing to learn or applying themselves accordingly, there’s nothing any manager can do to that.

It seems Pep gets a pass to do whatever but Jose must weave a magic wand and turn Smalling/Jones to Baresi/Costacurta. Pep can sell Kolarov, Sagna, Zabaleta, Clichy but Jose should stop moaning and coach the dinosaurs he inherited.

Pep can buy Bravo & Nolito and discard them immediately but when Jose discarded Mkhitaryan that he bought, it’s because Jose is a poor coach that can’t get the best out of his players. The argument lacks consistency.
 
Son Of Sam said:
Not when you demand instant results. How many of Jose’s peers are developing youth players in their first team? The last 3 PL winners weren’t developing youth players - they were making meaningful signings that aided their title victories.
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It's not about developing youth prospects who aren't ready and can't get you instant results (Iheanacho, Unal or whoever), but younger (heck the post you've quoted named KDB and he was in his mid 20s when he joined City) players who are already good further improving under the manager.
 
Schneckerl said:
It's not about developing youth prospects who aren't ready and can't get you instant results (Iheanacho, Unal or whoever), but younger (heck the post you've quoted named KDB and he was in his mid 20s when he joined City) players who are already good further improving under the manager.
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KDB was already established before coming to City. Don’t rewrite history to push a false narrative.
 
Son Of Sam said:
Not when you demand instant results. How many of Jose’s peers are developing youth players in their first team? The last 3 PL winners weren’t developing youth players - they were making meaningful signings that aided their title victories.
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Why are you talking about youth team prospects? The players in question were Martial and Rashford not Chong and Greenwood.

You claim that a manager is not responsible for developing players when the reality is it's a fundamental part of the job. A good manager improves everyone who works under them and that's true of any profession.
 
Son Of Sam said:
KDB was already established before coming to City. Don’t rewrite history to push a false narrative.
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in 2016, Martial and Rashford looked better than Sane and Sterling While Pogba and KdB were of similar profile.

Alexis has as much pedigree in the league as Aguero, Matic vs Fernandinho is about equal, Mata was on the level of D.Silva before he ran into Mourinho.
 
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kaiser1 said:
in 2016, Martial and Rashford looked better than Sane and Sterling While Pogba and KdB were of similar profile.

Alexis has as much pedigree in the league as Aguero, Matic vs Fernandinho is about equal, Mata was on the level of D.Silva before he ran into Mourinho.
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Mata has never been on the same level as Silva
 
Thunderhead said:
Mata has never been on the same level as Silva
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Mata was PFA team of the year just like before Mourinho got to Chelsea, Silva was top assister 11/12, Mata was top assister of the year 12/13 before Mourinho got to Chelsea and benched him for Oscar who could run more and is now playing in China.

For club
2011/2012 Mata 12 goals 20 assists in all comps for Chelsea, Silva 8 goals 21 assists in all comps for City
2012/13 Mata 19 goals 35 assists, Silva 5 goals 13 assists

That was Mata's productivity before Mourinho came into his life, I think if Mourinho had coached Silva, he would have shunted him to the wings and have him help the full back have him run a lot and later get benched
 
kaiser1 said:
in 2016, Martial and Rashford looked better than Sane and Sterling While Pogba and KdB were of similar profile.

Alexis has as much pedigree in the league as Aguero, Matic vs Fernandinho is about equal, Mata was on the level of D.Silva before he ran into Mourinho.
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Sterling was always good but heavily underrated. I have mentioned him several times whenever the question arises about underrated players in the league. He was a great part of the Liverpool trio trip of him, Suarez and Sturridge when they pushed far into the league, otherwise City wouldn't have paid 50m for him. He had a shaky start there but nothing new. He was always a good player, just underrated for obvious reasons.

And regarding Mata, players decline as they grow older. That's not a shock for you I believe ? Mata had his peak at one point at Chelsea and passed already. Mourinho only coached him for half a season in Chelsea, under Moyes and LVG he was decent, not great but decent. He has been past his peak for ages and it's completely reasonable due to declining with age.

Also, Aguero is one of the best strikers ever played in the premier league. He will be in the top 5 list of anyone following the lague regularly. This comparison is weird.

The fact is Pep inherited a team fully stocked in midfield and attack but has crap defense and GK, improved both with loads of money and walked the league. United squad was pretty dire at that point with no area with top players except De Gea, midfield and attack were pretty crap.

This City side had won the league and league cup double in Pellegrini first season, and reached CL semi final in his last season + another cup win. We were struggling at the same time finishing 7th, 4th and 5th. They finished ahead of us every season post SAF.

We were either equal or ahead of them when SAF was in charge, but because we fecked up his replacement in Moyes and LVG, and fecked the rebuild in this signing loads of dross while they kept on moving from strength and strength, keeping their squad strong and adding more quality, we ended where we are, with them jumping ahead of us with a good distance. They were already several steps ahead of us when Pep and Mourinho got their jobs, and indeed Pep still managed to even spend more and buy more players in this period.
 


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:( Feel sorry for poor Pep.
 
It's funny because despite spending £500m+, it's the 4 attacking players that were there pre-Pep that are still City's best - Aguero, KDB, Silva and Sterling.
 
marktan said:
It's funny because despite spending £500m+, it's the 4 attacking players that were there pre-Pep that are still City's best - Aguero, KDB, Silva and Sterling.
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Sane compliments them beautifully, but yeah, you can't really improve on those four players without looking at the absolute cream of the crop dream signings.
 
Tommy said:
Sane compliments them beautifully, but yeah, you can't really improve on those four players without looking at the absolute cream of the crop dream signings.
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Mahrez, Sane and Bernado Silva are all great players in their own right, but yeah a little behind those 4 currently. Sane in particular I think could become Bale-like if he improves his decision making and finishing.
 
marktan said:
It's funny because despite spending £500m+, it's the 4 attacking players that were there pre-Pep that are still City's best - Aguero, KDB, Silva and Sterling.
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And people here are complaining about José's spending when he doesn't have the best players pre-Jose.

And Pep goes all out to find his next midfielder, while we twiddle our thumbs saying we have been backed and should make do with what we have.
 
Christie said:
And people here are complaining about José's spending when he doesn't have the best players pre-Jose.

And Pep goes all out to find his next midfielder, while we twiddle our thumbs saying we have been backed and should make do with what we have.
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He has been backed. Fred was bought to warm the bench. At the least Peps signings become important 1st team players
 
Stacks said:
He has been backed. Fred was bought to warm the bench. At the least Peps signings become important 1st team players
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They became important first team players because his poor signings are shipped out quickly instead of him being told to use them.
 
Christie said:
And people here are complaining about José's spending when he doesn't have the best players pre-Jose.

And Pep goes all out to find his next midfielder, while we twiddle our thumbs saying we have been backed and should make do with what we have.
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Oh come off it. We are closer to Bournemouth right now than City. So any benchmarking exercise that you do should keep that in context. I really doubt that everyone would disagree with you if we were second and playing good football.
 
marktan said:
It's funny because despite spending £500m+, it's the 4 attacking players that were there pre-Pep that are still City's best - Aguero, KDB, Silva and Sterling.
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One thing people miss about signings is that the players you buy can elevate or inspire the players that were there before even if the new players don't break into the first eleven immediately. You can buy a player who does not instantly take the first team shirt but his presence in the squad could make the player that was there before sit up and work double hard to stay in the squad. This is one of the reasons why the elite clubs in modern football keep spending despite having already good squads.
 
Christie said:
And Pep goes all out to find his next midfielder, while we twiddle our thumbs saying we have been backed and should make do with what we have.
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This would be a zinger of a post in the parallel universe where we’re 3rd.
 
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