Peterson, Harris, etc....

oneniltothearsenal said:
I like the way my son put it. Rogan is basically the evolution of the late night talk show. But instead of only having on guests for 10 minutes to just promote their newest movie, music, book, Rogan can have guests on for 2 hours to talk about a wider range of topics or delve deeper into whatever personal issue interests them. It generally makes for more interesting discussions because there is no corporate network trying to sanitize content for sponsors, etc.

Personally my only critique is that he has on a few people I don't really see any discourse value in like Ben Shapiro. There are dozens of people I could recommend that would be better than Shapiro. I'd rather Rogan have on a selection of Redcafe posters than Shapiro.

But for the most part his guests are a fairly wide ranging and interesting group. For instance he had on Michael Pollan recently who has always inspired some interesting off-beat discussions.
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Very interesting perspective. His quality will vary based on the quality of guest he hosts (So the show will obviously suffer when he hosts people like Shapiro).

A friend recommended him to me because apparently he keeps his guests honest, whether they tend towards the 'right' or the 'left'. He guides discussion fairly and likes exploring ideas. Actually when I searched for him I initially found his stand-up comedy and that's what I've been listening to... he's very funny. I haven't delved into his non-comedy podcasts yet.
 
Fridge chutney said:
Very interesting perspective. His quality will vary based on the quality of guest he hosts (So the show will obviously suffer when he hosts people like Shapiro).

A friend recommended him to me because apparently he keeps his guests honest, whether they tend towards the 'right' or the 'left'. He guides discussion fairly and likes exploring ideas. Actually when I searched for him I initially found his stand-up comedy and that's what I've been listening to... he's very funny. I haven't delved into his non-comedy podcasts yet.
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His podcasts are very good, generally, the length really allows him to explore topics with his guests. He has done a few with JBP, and one with Peterson AND Weinstein.

His Jamie Foxx one was excellent, I laughed a lot, and I really like the Kyle Kulinski one.

His mate Callan is insufferable though! And that Eddie Bravo guy is funny but a conspiracy theory idiot.
 
Charlie Foley said:
His podcasts are very good, generally, the length really allows him to explore topics with his guests. He has done a few with JBP, and one with Peterson AND Weinstein.

His Jamie Foxx one was excellent, I laughed a lot, and I really like the Kyle Kulinski one.

His mate Callan is insufferable though! And that Eddie Bravo guy is funny but a conspiracy theory idiot.
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One of the things YouTube is great for is the long formats where guests can speak for as long as they want and viewers can jump around to weed through the boring material. Hard to get that from TV or radio. Rogan's podcast is one of the better ones.
 
Raoul said:
One of the things YouTube is great for is the long formats where guests can speak for as long as they want and viewers can jump around to weed through the boring material. Hard to get that from TV or radio. Rogan's podcast is one of the better ones.
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Especially on Rogan's podcast
 
Charlie Foley said:
Especially on Rogan's podcast
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I saw an interview with Kevin Lee on Rogan's podcast a few weeks back. Unlike his usual UFC appearances, he came across as mature and thoughtful on weed and other topics. Amazing what happens when guests can talk at length.
 
Has anyone seen much of Bret Weinstein? He talks as if he is the misunderstood scientist at the start of 'The Day After Tomorrow' or a 'Jurassic Park' movie who predicts the doom everyone else is failing to spot but now he has been chosen as the oracle of truth. The way he presents his theories and commentaries and the melodramatics really makes my skin crawl. He even refers to himself as being 'a member of the intellectual dark web' in a room full of actual people in his latest video (testifying to congress). Sickening.
 
Vidic_In_Moscow said:
Has anyone seen much of Bret Weinstein? He talks as if he is the misunderstood scientist at the start of 'The Day After Tomorrow' or a 'Jurassic Park' movie who predicts the doom everyone else is failing to spot but now he has been chosen as the oracle of truth. The way he presents his theories and commentaries and the melodramatics really makes my skin crawl. He even refers to himself as being 'a member of the intellectual dark web' in a room full of actual people in his latest video (testifying to congress). Sickening.
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I've seen a bit of his story with Evergreen College. Not particularly impressive.
 
psychdelicblues said:
Full video....
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36:00 - Rubin attempting to draw parallels between Trump's thousands of lies and Obama's "if you like your Dr. you can keep your Dr, and the Syrian red line. :wenger: Harris rightfully pushes back.
 
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You either die an intellectual dark web hero, or live long enough to see yourself become a fully blown right wing loon.
 
It's so weird the way seemingly smart people whose politics are to the right, end up going all in on the really whacky shit associated with being right wing; to the extent that they end up parroting obvious bollox about climate change or gun control, or Trump being a good president.

Sam Harris is someone whose views are quite right wing when it comes to borders and policing but - to his credit - has no time for climate change denial or anyone who thinks Trump is anything other than a buffoon. He did write a silly blog on gun control, mind you. The left has a (to an extent, deserved) reputation for getting far too wound up about unimportant stuff but it also seems to have a monopoly on common sense.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
It's so weird the way seemingly smart people whose politics are to the right, end up going all in on the really whacky shit associated with being right wing; to the extent that they end up parroting obvious bollox about climate change or gun control, or Trump being a good president.

Sam Harris is someone whose views are quite right wing when it comes to borders and policing but - to his credit - has no time for climate change denial or anyone who thinks Trump is anything other than a buffoon. He did write a silly blog on gun control, mind you. The left has a (to an extent, deserved) reputation for getting far too wound up about unimportant stuff but it also seems to have a monopoly on common sense.
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Harris seems to evaluate individual ideas on their own merits which puts him above the usual left right fray imo. To people that fixate on left v right, he will have positions that seem all over the map which is a good sign that someone isn't dogmatically afixed to one side or the other, but instead asses issues on the merits.
 
Raoul said:
Harris seems to evaluate individual ideas on their own merits which puts up above the usual left right fray imo. To people that fixate on left v right, he will have positions that seem all over the map which is a good sign that someone isn't dogmatically afixed to one side or the other, but instead asses issues on the merits.
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Yeah, I’ve got to the point of more or less ignoring people whose opinions on issues are 100% predictable according to their politics. Sam Harris himself made a similar point on one of his podcasts. It’s just not possible for one ideology to be right about everything so anyone who adheres slavishly to the party line is obviously not thinking things through.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Hehe. On a serious note, whatever your thoughts about Quilliam, this is good news for the reputation of the SPLC. Including Maajid on that extremist list made them look very silly indeed.
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Yes indeed. They have been on a downward spiral where people gradually stopped using them as a viable source to discuss extremism. This sort of thing will help them move back into the realm of sanity.
 
Raoul said:
He's great fun to listen to, especially his call in radio shows.
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Aye, on a personal note I find his discussions on Islam less interesting than hearing his liberal views on everyday issues, I always find myself nodding along saying.. Yeah? I agree with that. Good guy, speaks a lot of sense and really enjoy listening to him.
 
Anybody torture themselves watching/listening to Rubin on JRE?

Sorry but I have to say at this point if you don’t think Rubin is both a drooling moron and clearly a right-wing hack (pretending otherwise) you’re just being dishonest. One thing that makes me laugh over and over again is the fact (forgetting he was for Bernie before) he thinks anything the Dems are doing is hard left, when it’s clear they are centrist at best when you compare them to any other country.


Worth watching that clip just to see the easy-going Rogan’s reaction to Rubin’s suggestion Candace Owens should run for Senate.
Fcuking nutcase.
 
Minimalist said:
Anybody torture themselves watching/listening to Rubin on JRE?

Sorry but I have to say at this point if you don’t think Rubin is both a drooling moron and clearly a right-wing hack (pretending otherwise) you’re just being dishonest. One thing that makes me laugh over and over again is the fact (forgetting he was for Bernie before) he thinks anything the Dems are doing is hard left, when it’s clear they are centrist at best when you compare them to any other country.


Worth watching that clip just to see the easy-going Rogan’s reaction to Rubin’s suggestion Candace Owens should run for Senate.
Fcuking nutcase.
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Cringeworthy stuff from Rubin. He strikes me as a bit of an empty vessel who in the absence of his own ideas, winds up far too easily led by the guests he has on his show. Then he goes on shows like Rogan's and embarrasses himself with his hype merchant ideas like the one about Owens. The likes of Harris, Peterson et al seem to be using him and his show to amplify their own messages while treating him like a useful idiot.
 
I just realized that Rubin and Rogan are not the same person. I was getting confused about the discussion.
 
Rubin is terrible. Not sure if he believes the shit that he says or if he just knows what his audience wants to hear. Probably both. Awful guy.

I recently realized that Jordan Peterson echos Carl Jung's ideas almost word for word. Most of his soundbites make sense in this framework.
 
PedroMendez said:
Rubin is terrible. Not sure if he believes the shit that he says or if he just knows what his audience wants to hear. Probably both. Awful guy.

I recently realized that Jordan Peterson echos Carl Jung's ideas almost word for word. Most of his soundbites make sense in this framework.
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He's pretty up front about that. Always banging on about Jungian archetypes.
 
Raoul said:
Peterson and Harris have lined up a series of LIVE debates soon. Should be interesting.
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A friend of mine (the guy I’m trying to wean off right wing online content) is going to the Dublin event. Tickets are outrageously expensive.

On a side note, his latest podcast is all about UBI. Anyone who listens to it will instantly realise his politics are a very long way away from the far right.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
He's pretty up front about that. Always banging on about Jungian archetypes.
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Yes, but I haven't read anything from Jung until a few days ago, so I only knew the few soundbites of peterson, which often made little sense.
My point is twofold: it seems like Peterson merely repeats what Jung said decades ago. Do any of his ideas differ from Jung?
While many of Jung's views are controversial, they are not trivial. My view of Peterson is changing from "overselling simple ideas" to "shitty explainer of interesting + questionable views".
Jung isn't mainstream and there are probably good reasons for that. Yet some of his views are still worth discussing. I think the complete debate should run a different course. Peterson should put his views in the proper context of a Jungian framework and explain what this means. He can hardly expect that people know that. People who disagree with him should explain where Jung went of the rails.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
On a side note, his latest podcast is all about UBI. Anyone who listens to it will instantly realise his politics are a very long way away from the far right
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Yeah, none of Rogan, Peterson and Harris seem to be part of the far right. They would be moderate or central right, if anything. I could be mistaken.
 
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