Peterson, Harris, etc....

Like all leftists you’re all taking that image of speakers out of context. Instead of just attacking them for being the grifter weirdo shitcnuts they are, try and formulate your own thoughts and arguments in the great battle of ideas in (white) America.

Do that and you’ll see why you’re a **** and why even Jesus himself would worship Daddy Trump.
 
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Very misleading and edited to fit the agenda there. He was discussing how there was a middle ground on the right and left extremes over sex, conservatives with their anti abortion and liberals on the extreme side of the meto movement and the central discussion to be had is a realigning of personal sexual choices in the sexual culture that obviously has issues that are still being affected by the sexual revolution, as we haven't even had time to adjust to the affects of the invention of the pill and sexual revolution as a society. Admittedly you watch the full video and it's mostly funny watching Trump jr trying to look like he gives a shit.
 
Amusing when these twitter loonies throw words like "unhinged" around. Especially the trawl-through-Peterson's-twitter-feed-24/7 types. Even ignoring the innocuous content, on what planet does that clip qualify as an "unhinged rant"?

But give them twitter threads about black kids facing down the wrath of SWAT teams over missing calculators and they go all doe-eyed.
 
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Amusing when these twitter loonies throw words like "unhinged" around. Especially the trawl-through-Peterson's-twitter-feed-24/7 types. Even ignoring the innocuous content, on what planet does that clip qualify as an "unhinged rant"?

But give them twitter threads about black kids facing down the wrath of SWAT teams over missing calculators and they go all doe-eyed.
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They either genuinely believe the tweets as they're presented, or they believe relentlessly spreading these tweets will somehow fool everybody else into believing them. I'm struggling to decide which option makes them stupider.
 
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Very misleading and edited to fit the agenda there. He was discussing how there was a middle ground on the right and left extremes over sex, conservatives with their anti abortion and liberals on the extreme side of the meto movement and the central discussion to be had is a realigning of personal sexual choices in the sexual culture that obviously has issues that are still being affected by the sexual revolution, as we haven't even had time to adjust to the affects of the invention of the pill and sexual revolution as a society. Admittedly you watch the full video and it's mostly funny watching Trump jr trying to look like he gives a shit.
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so jp thinks banning abortion and telling people when you got raped are opposite extremes
 
Anyone who misses the opportunity to say “sadicals” instead of sad radicals is no friend of mine
 
i wonder what jp thinks a good sexual morality is, is it going to predictably be some christian shit about having kids and not touching yourself?



also, a rebuttal to the extremely puritanical idea that people are unhappy because women are boning without having kids

 
I'm always amazed how one can sell millions of books by writing out stuff that the below average Joe from the next pub thinks but in more sophisticated language.
 
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I'm always amazed how one can sell millions of books by writing out stuff that the below average Joe from the next pub thinks but in more sophisticated language.
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Easiest deal in the world is it? Instead of being laughed off like the ignorant cnuts they are in the past, now they have professor X and Y as a reference point.
 
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Easiest deal in the world is it? Instead of being laughed off like the ignorant cnuts they are in the past, now they have professor X and Y as a reference point.
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it happened in the past too, See Dr. "shout at poor people on telly" Phil. JP's a version of that, but playing to internet reactionaries instead of old people who think "get real" is advice for mental health issues. Dr. Oz is extremely bad too.
 
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it happened in the past too, See Dr. "shout at poor people on telly" Phil. JP's a version of that, but playing to internet reactionaries instead of old people who think "get real" is advice for mental health issues.
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Yeap. JP and Brainforce Ben are the televangelists of the 4chan crowd.
 
Careful. If you spend too long in this thread you might miss the chance to be the first to read JP's latest tweet.
 
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so jp thinks banning abortion and telling people when you got raped are opposite extremes
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I don't actually know much about the man but that wasn't what came across on what he was saying either. More about where the conversation and debate is that can take place without it being bipartisan. It seemed to me very insightful and thought out. As I said I don't much about the man or his beliefs and standpoints so I have no pony in the race.
 
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i wonder what jp thinks a good sexual morality is, is it going to predictably be some christian shit about having kids and not touching yourself?



also, a rebuttal to the extremely puritanical idea that people are unhappy because women are boning without having kids

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It's unfortunate that the drop in access to material wealth has come at a time when people are more materialistic than ever, in much of the Western world. One of the benefits of that economic recession is the generations hurt hardest by it are seeing more to life than material wealth. Sadly other people are going in the opposite direction and becoming bitter and destructive.

You'd think people would be able to accept the idea of having less than their parents, given it's so obvious that many people who can't accept that idea are the ones who grew up with more than they needed. Is it that crazy an idea to see your parents as a fortunate generation, and see your grandparents as a better barometer for what's "fair"? I suppose that would challenge some of the principles of capitalism as we understand it.

But then you'd think that the people who hate capitalism would be more ready to accept that different perspective...and instead it seems they're often the most vocal, and most destructive. It's almost as if what they're directing their anger at isn't actually what they're most angry about, but they like the moral high-ground and reputation that comes with it.
 
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You'd think people would be able to accept the idea of having less than their parents, given it's so obvious that many people who can't accept that idea are the ones who grew up with more than they needed. Is it that crazy an idea to see your parents as a fortunate generation, and see your grandparents as a better barometer for what's "fair"?
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yes that is crazy

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46430047

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But then you'd think that the people who hate capitalism would be more ready to accept that different perspective...and instead it seems they're often the most vocal, and most destructive. It's almost as if what they're directing their anger at isn't actually what they're most angry about, but they like the moral high-ground and reputation that comes with it.
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this doesn't make sense, no one wants to change the economic systems because things are going well, why should anyone just sit back and accept that their life will always be shit
 
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I don't actually know much about the man but that wasn't what came across on what he was saying either. More about where the conversation and debate is that can take place without it being bipartisan. It seemed to me very insightful and thought out. As I said I don't much about the man or his beliefs and standpoints so I have no pony in the race.
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I mean, sure, if you think christian sexual morality is insightful and thought out. It's not the first time he's talked about this kind of thing, and his answer always is "get married and have kids, kids"

there was also the time he was asked about incel violence and like a good christian boy he suggested men would be less violent if they were married as if domestic violence isn't a major issue.
 
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yes that is crazy

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46430047


this doesn't make sense, no one wants to change the economic systems because things are going well, why should anyone just sit back and accept that their life will always be shit
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I'm not sure what you think that report says that refutes what I said, but all I can say is either you've misinterpreted the data or misinterpreted my point. You're so keen to prove your own point that you often don't hear what the other person is saying, particularly when you perceive them to be on the "other side".

People whose lives are shit should want to change their lives in whatever way they see fit. Changing an economic system seems a particularly impractical response to it, but it may well be effective. Or they may not care at all about it being effective, and they just care about the principles. I tend to find more of the latter than the former, but I don't spend my time immersed in that bubble like yourself so I wouldn't know.

There are many people that have a legitimate belief that their lives are shit. There are many other people who have worse lives than their parents, but better lives than their grandparents, and yet think their life is utter misery. That to me is not a particularly useful perspective to take, for the individual or the society they live in. And it doesn't seem that difficult to change your perspective, personally. Not having as good a life as your parents is not a disaster. Not having a home by your mid 30s is not a tragedy. It's just difficult, like most of our grandparents experienced - and in many cases worse. They had some things we don't have, don't have many things we do have, and have lived through situations much more traumatic.
 
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given it's so obvious that many people who can't accept that idea are the ones who grew up with more than they needed.
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I'm not sure what you think that report says that refutes what I said
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it's not the people who grew up with more than they needed who are struggling, their parents don't start being poor when they become adults, it's people who's parents struggled who struggle more and more. and the reason for that is decades of wage stagnation and wealth concentration.

the rate of home ownership for people who didn't have home owning parents has halved in 2 decades for fecks sake
 
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You're so keen to prove your own point that you often don't hear what the other person is saying, particularly when you perceive them to be on the "other side".

People whose lives are shit should want to change their lives in whatever way they see fit. Changing an economic system seems a particularly impractical response to it, but it may well be effective. Or they may not care at all about it being effective, and they just care about the principles. I tend to find more of the latter than the former, but I don't spend my time immersed in that bubble like yourself so I wouldn't know.

There are many people that have a legitimate belief that their lives are shit. There are many other people who have worse lives than their parents, but better lives than their grandparents, and yet think their life is utter misery. That to me is not a particularly useful perspective to take, for the individual or the society they live in. And it doesn't seem that difficult to change your perspective, personally. Not having as good a life as your parents is not a disaster. Not having a home by your mid 30s is not a tragedy. It's just difficult, like most of our grandparents experienced - and in many cases worse. They had some things we don't have, don't have many things we do have, and have lived through situations much more traumatic.
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also you've said literally nothing here, it's so devoid of anything approaching a point that it's honestly like reading a badly designed horoscope generator

actually it's worse, because horoscopes sometimes tell you to look for love and be nice to people
 
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also you've said literally nothing here, it's so devoid of anything approaching a point that it's honestly like reading a badly designed horoscope generator

actually it's worse, because horoscopes sometimes tell you to look for love and be nice to people
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I'm not sure how you perceive yourself but on here you don't make useful, substantive points, you just let everyone know you're angry and let people know you think they're a dickhead. So feel free to criticise all you want man, means nothing to me, but you might want to look in the mirror
 
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Yes, quoting the word dickhead there is very illuminating. Because I wasn't calling you a dickhead, nor do I think you are one. What I was saying was you give the impression you think that of many people, based on your tone. Either you weren't able to understand that, or you wanted to twist someone's words because it makes you feel better. You do one of those two things almost all the time, filled with passive aggression.

I don't need to look in the mirror because I accept your criticisms. Sometimes I'm a dick. Like I said it means nothing to me. I'm just saying, if you think it's worth pointing out to someone else that they aren't making substantive and useful points, that's cool. But that's how you are all the time.
 
for the record "well, your grandparents had a world war you so you're luckier" isn't a substantive point, it's vacuous and completely misses the point of economic critiques that at no point claim that we have a harder life than people getting killed in wars
 
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Yes, quoting the word dickhead there is very illuminating. Because I wasn't calling you a dickhead, nor do I think you are one. What I was saying was you give the impression you think that of many people, based on your tone. Either you weren't able to understand that, or you wanted to twist someone's words because it makes you feel better. You do one of those two things almost all the time, filled with passive aggression.

I don't need to look in the mirror because I accept your criticisms. Sometimes I'm a dick. Like I said it means nothing to me. I'm just saying, if you think it's worth pointing out to someone else that they aren't making substantive and useful points, that's cool. But that's how you are all the time.
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you waded in calling people who want to change the economic system aggressive spoiled twats on their high horses, then responded to actual research showing that it's poorer families who disproportionately suffer with another rant about having it better than their grandparents, like some kind of Dickensian parody where if you're not literally living under a bridge you should shut your mouth and know your place

why would i respond to that with anything other than contempt?
 
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for the record "well, your grandparents had a world war you so you're luckier" isn't a substantive point, it's vacuous and completely misses the point of economic critiques that at no point claim that we have a harder life than people getting killed in wars
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You might think you have a better grasp of the economic critiques and the validity of them than I do. That's cool. For the record, I am of the same generation, face the same problems, and speak to literally hundreds of thousands of people as part of my job on a wide range of social and economic issues. I listen to all of them.

If you think that the children of parents with homes don't feel the same way you do, I think you're only seeing what you want to see. You are so focused on the people worst off thar you can't see that the people who are doing perfectly fine on a huge number of objective measures that think they're suffering miserably.

My view is they are wrong, unhelpful and they aren't furthering the cause they claim to support. They're making things harder for the people who need it most, either because they don't really give a feck about them or because they have a distorted sense of reality.

That doesn't mean I'm ignoring the genuine economic hardship or the huge number of social and economic issues we face as a country and as a generation. I just don't share your view in totality and you like to attack people who challenge yours.
 
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