Go on then start it, I'm interested as well.Sultan said:
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Abbsta said:
Go buy a book about it, or do a philosophy course, if you're that interested. You're not going to learn anything of substance on an internet forum.
I could teach him.
Or hire Spoony as your personal tutor
Good point however, one would like to discuss various points with fellow members. I would like, for example, to hear FeedingSeagulls point of view. Reading alone does not teach, it takes contemplation and dialog to reach a higher level of understanding.Slabber said:
Abbsta said:
but it's a good starting point. Why don't you read a book about it (Plech can probably recommend one) and then we'll have a thread about it in, say, two months? How's about that?
Please do so, if you have something of value to offer.Spoony said:
Abbsta said:
Spoony, give him some preparatory reading for his first tutorial, and make him write an essay.
Abbsta said:
What exactly do you want to learn?
If it makes you more comfortable, I don't mind. I was merely trying to engage Sultan in a conversation. How come you are keen on postponing it?Slabber said:
Abbsta?
Go on then. . .
Go on then. . .
Abbsta said:
in the hope that it might never happen
I wasn't thinking of anything specific. I was hoping that through discussion, one might learn something new or simply increasing ones level of thinking.Spoony said:
Abbsta said:
no. read a book first.
Abbsta said:
Well I'm your man.
Shoot. . .
Give me a topic, and I'm sure I'll enlighten you.
Fair enough if you are not interested.Slabber said:
Abbsta said:
as I said, no one ever learns anything of substance in an internet forum
Right..so you never learned anything unintentionally and all of your accumulated knowledge follow a rigid model.Slabber said:
What about your religion thread?Slabber said:
Didn't we learn that all new born again Christians are gay?
I'mRed2. . . what an idiot. That type of person you meet everywhere. Blinkered.
Abbsta said:
Abbsta. Shoot away.
I'm serious.
You have the topic above that Sultan wanted to talk about. However it seems that people are disinterested may get upset and that's not my objective.Spoony said:
Abbsta said:
fate?
Well that's all bollocks. Go and stand infront a moving bus. And you'll see what I mean.
The "SS" are at it again... 
He's gone.
Was joking mate.
(but do you see what I'm getting at?)
Was joking mate.
(but do you see what I'm getting at?)
Well, I wished more of philosophical perspective. However to balance your 'standing in front of a bus' example, one falls asleep behind the wheel whilst driving and wakes up still driving almost in a straight line. Logic would assume that it's highly likely that the driver should divert from the straight line.
Abbsta said:
A jammy cnut. What if he had an old car that had dodgy bearings? That's right he'd be buggered.
If I choose to stand infront of a bus, I've only got myself to blame. It would be my choice.
This is a place where we are being judged. Human actions are being watched and monitered for judgment. Since this life is a test period we must have the freedom to choose between evil and good. God would not interfere with human choices, nor would manipulate them, this would defeat the very purpose of a test. for example this world is like an examination hall, an examiner passes by a student and finds that the student is writing down an incorrect reply to the question asked. Should the examiner ignore this mistake or should he tell the student that he is not attempting the question correctly? Obviously, we think that the correct conduct of the examiner entails that he should ignore the student's mistake. If the student is checked right during the examination, the purpose of the examination is defeated.
Sultan said:
And you know this how?
Spoony said:
But if science says everything is predictable, you can theoretically predict whether you will stand in front of the bus, so if your choice is predictable, how is it free?
Spoony said:
I prefer Imred2 to Stretch
Slabber said:
How can science predict human choice Slabbs? I also think most things/events are random.
Spoony said:
Exactly, freedom of thought and choice is ours...if you come out of the suicide attempt ok, thats fate or destination.
Spoony said:
I am enlightened...
Spoony said:
But if theoretically you can predict the movement of atoms, then you can predict human choice in so far as it is expressed through action, no?
Slabber said:
Laplace's Demon
We've been through this, with bulk and my missus, on a piss-up
My missus thought we were all idiots
Slabber said:
Laplace's Demon?
Well, in theory yes. But I'm not quite sure.
Sultan said:
or just random luck.
Spoony said:
Isn't it what the free-will/determinism debate comes down to, leaving god and other pixies out of it?
Again logic would make us assume that considering all possibilities the driver should divert and yet it doesn't always happen. The condition of the car is irrelevant in this case as it happens to a variety of people with different cars.Spoony said:
Very true however, in your analysis you are excluding external factors that may affect the 'logical' outcome which is in this case is serious injury or death.Spoony said:
Those external factors may include the bus driver's good response after seeing you or a puncture that may divert the bus away etc.
Slabber said:
Don't you believe in random chaos?
Donnie Darko, have you seen that film?