Name me 3 players this season who have performed better than Pogba or are more essential to us winning games.
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Name me 3 players this season who have performed better than Pogba or are more essential to us winning games.
Bruno, Maguire, Shaw, Rashford, Cavani, even McTominay a little bit. They're all more essential to us winning than Pogba is. Pogba adds a little sprinkling of quality but he's not the functional core of the team.
It's personal between me and him
Agreed.
I suspect there were times I said he was playing very well, and other times I said he wasn't.
You can ignore the stats all you want but the point of Pogba is to have his attacking qualities, so I read, yet he's only managed 3 goals and 5 assists, I think John McGinn has more. Now we know he's weak defensively, so it's just not adding up.
I couldn't care less if we keep him or not, he's a decent player, the way some of you go on though, you'd think he was one of the prems greats.
He's not proven he's worth accommodating and buying X to 'release his attacking potential' or something.
The fact you desperately want to keep a player who doesn't particularly want to play for us is a bit bizarre.
400k a week value
11 goal involvements for a player that can’t play in midfield. Great!
For comparison, Mason Mount had 17 and can actually contribute to a functional midfield.
For comparison, Mason Mount had 17 and can actually contribute to a functional midfield.
Do you actually believe Mount is a better player than Pogba? And do you really believe Pogba can't function in a midfield?
Good grief, that is reaching an then some. Bareing in mind he played quite a few minutes in LW, those numbers aren't great.
I am with you on this one. The circus that comes with him is not worth it.
Matic's legs have gone but there's been plenty of occasions this season and last where's he's looked younger and more mobile than Pogba.
He played 26 games in a 2 man midfield and had 15 goal contributions in all competitions by the end of the season, this tweet showed his goals or assists affecting the result directly on numerous occasions. You can look at the games before the team got to the top of the table and see Pogba's influence then for yourself.
Mount isn’t a better player but he plays better in the Chelsea team, takes responsibility, contributes more and is far more consistent.
Pogba has shown over the last five years that he can’t be relied upon to be a consistent performer in midfield. Hence, playing him as almost a left winger to relieve him of any responsibility this season.
For all his ability, he is not the player that he should be. Still widely inconsistent, error prone, with no fixed position at 28 years old.
My only point was that having “11 goal contributions” for someone who requires so much freedom, is nothing special.
But 17 goal contributions in 42 games overall. 2 more goal contributions in 16 games from what you said, not great.
Agreed. Stats back it up. Hes a maverick but the truth is he’s currently somewhere at the top of the middle of the squad for output and influence. low for minutes played. High for wages. What’s his best position? Who does he have a good partnership with?
he's been one of the worst players ive ever watched at this club. you're asking the wrong question. he is awful.
6 A & 2 G in 16 games from the left for a player that has only been played as an LW/LM in his entire career by our current manager.
Some would say ‘reaching & then some’ would be to judge a man playing in a position he’s rarely if ever played before in his career but hey-ho this is the Caf & Pogba.
In 382 games he’s played as a left sided player 22 times, 16 of those last season.
Maybe we should judge Rio Ferdinand on that time he had to go in goal for us, conceded a penalty - shit player
Any danger of an update about the contract offer?
There's plenty of threads to discuss the other stuff in.
There's plenty of threads to discuss the other stuff in.
- His suitable role clashes with Bruno’s role.
- Defensively terrible and lacks of work rate to play in double pivot.
- He doesn’t produce good amount of end product like Bruno, Rashford, and Sancho to be considered as front four players.
- He has the most annoying agent.
- Getting sick and tired reading, hearing, or even entering the discussion of how to get the best out of Pogba.
Pogba has rarely given a performance of the standard we all know he can deliver, mostly he's been ok at best, often worse. Nobody expects him to play out of his skin every match or win games single handed but his contributions over the last 5 years have in the main been poor. But I guess in that at least hes been consistent.
Rashford ?? Jesus..
What are our teams stats with him in the side and without him in the side?
Kid playing through injury and having the second most assists and goals in the team. Yes, I'd argue taking him out would probably have more impact than Pogba.
is it the real Alan Johnson? I just read this in his voice. Just have to finish it with “you’re asking the wrong question, Mark”
Who is better? Bruno? Stats yes, talent not even close. Just look at the Euros, even though both of them played in "wrong" positions Pogba showed what he is capable of when his has players running behind the defense. If Rashford used his speed in the same way Mbappe does it would benefit both of them, the problem is that we play Rashford so wide the left and that he is always standing still when receiving the ball or taking steps towards the midfielders, we don't have one player the makes the runs behind the defense. We don't have the players for either 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 right now. Many of our players play out of their position and that makes them less effective, biggest examples are Pogba and Rashford (even though they are performing well but not as good as their potential).
I agree, but again, Fred - Mctominey or not good enough for a 4-3-3 with Pogba and in that formation we can't fit Pogba, Bruno, Rashford, Cavani and Sancho, there would be to unbalanced. And in a 4-2-3-1 we would have play either Pogba in the back 2 midfield, where he doesn't fit or on the left side next to Bruno and Sancho which would leave with one more spot for Cavani, Rashford, Greenwood and Martial to fight for. Not to mention that we have extended Matas contract and have guys like Lingaard, Amad, Elanga, James etc also in the troop. Competition is good but we have so many guys fighting for the same position but struggling with CMs, CBs, and RBs (and i mean quality, i don't even count guys like Jones to be involved in any games).
If midfielders are judge by stats, Iniesta, Xavi and Zidane would be rather unimpressive players.
He had plenty of stick at various points during last season.
Went missing in a lot of big games.
I am checking the title of this thread and have yet to see if there is any proof to warrant we are talking to his representatives about a new deal.
I know this will be his last year and I imagine something may be going on but if no club is going to cough up the required amount is it unreasonable to think we just hope he has a really good final season and then he can go on his own merry way?
I know this will be his last year and I imagine something may be going on but if no club is going to cough up the required amount is it unreasonable to think we just hope he has a really good final season and then he can go on his own merry way?
But the other 2 are important though2 to extend the lead
these kinda stats had gone wild i'm telling you...
Bruno, Maguire, Cavani, Rashford, Greenwood, Shaw, AVB, Fred, McT.
Of the players regularly start only Lindelof and James performed worse than Pogba imo.
Goal changes the state of the game, imagine that
And this coming from me who'd love for Pogba to stay
I think Mount has been much better this season. Not even close.
Agreed but pogba doesn't do what those midfielders do. He's end product or he's nothing.
Anderson and Cleverly did….so I’m going to say yes.
All the people who stick up for Pogba; we paid 89 million for him and he's been nowhere near justifying that obscene amount. For that money you should have a player who can play great to good consistently regardless of team mates. Bruno came in for half that and shown him up in the same team. Get shut asap Pogba and the circus around him.
Bruno statistically….performance wise he was pretty dire from December and in most big games, his stats from December particularly in the league also were poor given his position and freedom in the team.
Maguire…perhaps but not massively, especially when you look on a game by game basis. He had many very poor games. He seems much better for England than us perhaps he has a partner more suited to his weaknesses there.
Cavani…that’s ridiculous. Recency bias and people valuing running. He had a great last six weeks of the season. Prior to that he was poor and so were his stats.
Rashford…racked up good stats and decent performances from sept to November but second half of the season he was really really bad. The worst player on the pitch most games, and I’m a massive fan but wow he was awful.
Greenwood….again massive fan….no just no. Only in your head was he better than Pogba last season.
Shaw…Yes our best player last season performance wise and consistency.
AWB….Is a world class 1v1 defender. He wasn’t better than Pogba last season though.
Fred….Ha…no
McT….Had a good month and a good second half of the final. Other than that he was dross.
If you watched Pogba last season and honestly believe he had a poor season, so poor that only Dan James and Lindelof were worse then I’m sorry but that’s just you. It’s not a credible assesment of what actually happened week to week.
Goal changes the state of the game, imagine that
And this coming from me who'd love for Pogba to stay
I'm not sure why that is worth mocking. Surely, the 5th goal in a 5-0 cruise fest is less valuable than the winner in a 2-1 game.