Pogba

AFC NimbleThumb said:
Some shocking additions there lad. Does any other fanbase talk down their players so much?

Pogba has shown he can do it for a season [plus] in his playing career, he then moved back here under Jose who was. . . Jose & OgS who was never fit for the job.

Could Pogba have done better? Perhaps but a number of the players you mention are a) nowhere near as good, b) would look god awful here too.

The notion that you remove Pogba & replace with Player X needs to stop, it’s ridiculous.
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I got pestered for names so I threw out a list of vaguely gettable central midfielders. Pretty much all of which I think would contribute more over a season than Pogba has done on average over his six years as a first team player. It's not "just sign any one of these to replace Pogba", it's that there are plenty of options available who would be capable of giving us more every week than Pogba does 80%+ of the time and mostly for a lot less than whatever £stupid p/w pricetag he's going to ask.

Giving Herrera the money PSG offered him would have been a daft idea, but giving Pogba even more than that based on the return we've got from him in his time here is just crazy.
 
VP89 said:
If Chelsea offer him the contract he wants, he'll be off there without a problem.
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Don't buy it, mate, sorry.

Despite the ongoing issues with his contract, I always felt Pobga held a certain level of respect for the club and its fanbase. I don't believe for a second he would stoop so low as to join a PL rival.
 
Random Task said:
Don't buy it, mate, sorry.

Despite the ongoing issues with his contract, I always felt Pobga held a certain level of respect for the club and its fanbase. I don't believe for a second he would stoop so low as to join a PL rival.
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OK well that's what some relatively credible journalists are saying.
Its fine not to believe them though, not like they're always right. I reckon he'd go because it's his last big contract - so if Chelsea is the only offer on the table then sure.

I don't actually think Chelsea are going to offer the money he wants though - they aren't as stupidly run as we are.
 
VP89 said:
OK well that's what some relatively credible journalists are saying.
Its fine not to believe them though, not like they're always right. I reckon he'd go because it's his last big contract - so if Chelsea is the only offer on the table then sure.

I don't actually think Chelsea are going to offer the money he wants though - they aren't as stupidly run as we are.
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As sad as it is...I think if Madrid go all in for Mbappe...and if PSG don’t throw their hat in...it’s hard to see an option for him that will pay him what he wants other than us or Chelsea. He ain’t a Bayern signing for sure.
 
United and Chelsea aren't rivals. Even if he loves United to that degree -which I doubt anyway-, it won't be strange for him to go to Chelsea.
 
V.O. said:
I got pestered for names so I threw out a list of vaguely gettable central midfielders. Pretty much all of which I think would contribute more over a season than Pogba has done on average over his six years as a first team player. It's not "just sign any one of these to replace Pogba", it's that there are plenty of options available who would be capable of giving us more every week than Pogba does 80%+ of the time and mostly for a lot less than whatever £stupid p/w pricetag he's going to ask.

Giving Herrera the money PSG offered him would have been a daft idea, but giving Pogba even more than that based on the return we've got from him in his time here is just crazy.
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I agree with the final paragraph I just don’t see a number of the players you mentioned as being nailed on to provide more in this team. When Pogba leaves it shouldn’t simply be about replacing him, the midfield is broken.
 
el3mel said:
United and Chelsea aren't rivals. Even if he loves United to that degree -which I doubt anyway-, it won't be strange for him to go to Chelsea.
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It would be a huge kick in the teeth for both the fans and the club itself if Pogba signed for Chelsea - or any PL rival for that matter - directly from our club. You really can't see that?

It's a moot point anyway, he won't do it. He'll join PSG or a top tier Spanish/Italian club.

I'm sure of it :nervous:
 
So many United fans are so butt hurt about Pogba that they refuse to even acknowledge his contribution and the fact that he is our best midfielder. This will be his last contract, so its obvious player will want to see every option available to him. We are not in great situation as a club so I guess we are not that easy option when you have PSG or Madrid option available.

Most players are going to do this due to high transfer fee now. It will be funny to see some mental gymnastics if Rashford end up in same situation in few year
 
Random Task said:
It would be a huge kick in the teeth for both the fans and the club itself if Pogba signed for Chelsea - or any PL rival for that matter - directly from our club. You really can't see that?

It's a moot point anyway, he won't do it. He'll join PSG or top tier Spanish/Italian.

I'm sure of it :nervous:
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I don't see him staying in the EPL, part of his problem is the English press.
He would want to get away from that
 
This entire thing has the feel of Lebron's "The Decision". It may not have the same soap opera feel as the whole spiel with Jim Gray on live TV did but he does have an Amazon doc that I believe is filming now. So this entire thing could be some contrived thing for content.

He either knows exactly what he's doing or he has Option A but isn't really attracted to anything outside of Madrid. I could see him going to Chelsea if the Madrid thing doesn't materialize. I think the abuse he's gotten from a certain segment of the fanbase could motivate him to stay in the PL. Then again, he may have had enough of the English media.
 
el3mel said:
United and Chelsea aren't rivals. Even if he loves United to that degree -which I doubt anyway-, it won't be strange for him to go to Chelsea.
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It would be strange though. He has been at Utd since he was 16. It was only ok when we were casting off players we didn’t want...like veron to Chelsea or when the pool flogged them Torres. Pogba is not in that bracket imo.

I can see it happening if he has no other option though.
 
Trex said:
I don't see him staying in the EPL, part of his problem is the English press.
He would want to get away from that
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It's interesting you bring up the press as I feel it's their negative influence that has some believe he's capable of such a low act. By all accounts, he's a popular guy around the dressing room. I think it was Ibra who said Pogba was one of the most honourable people he'd ever met. High praise indeed.

United fans have swallowed a lot of bitter pills in the post-SAF era, but seeing Pogba join the likes of Chelsea of City is one bitter pill too many. I'm confident it would never happen.
 
jem said:
This is the ultimate frustration with Pogba. I’ve been ready for a while to just move on from him but then you see him in the last few games and realize that he is one of the few players of the requisite quality in our squad. It’d be so interesting to see what Pogba and Bruno could do with a top class DM behind them.
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I think Kante is achievable for the right price. He’s good for 2/3 years yet.


I see he’s part of a summer clear out rumour at Chelski.
 
jem said:
This is the ultimate frustration with Pogba. I’ve been ready for a while to just move on from him but then you see him in the last few games and realize that he is one of the few players of the requisite quality in our squad. It’d be so interesting to see what Pogba and Bruno could do with a top class DM behind them.
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A pogradox you say?
 
el3mel said:
United and Chelsea aren't rivals. Even if he loves United to that degree -which I doubt anyway-, it won't be strange for him to go to Chelsea.
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He also plays with two former Chelsea players that are still well regarded in London.
 
N’Golo Kante is the answer!!

GO GET HIM !!

Chelsea will sell…
 
carlbcfc said:
N’Golo Kante is the answer!!

GO GET HIM !!

Chelsea will sell…
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We have enough experience of giving Chelsea good money for players who give us a decent year or so and then fall off a cliff, thanks!
 
Random Task said:
Don't buy it, mate, sorry.

Despite the ongoing issues with his contract, I always felt Pobga held a certain level of respect for the club and its fanbase. I don't believe for a second he would stoop so low as to join a PL rival.
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Respect? Pogba has openly touted at least 3 times that he would be open to a move away and that's 3 times that we know of. Including Raiola offering him to City which was confirmed by Guardiola as well as on the eve of an important CL game. Just because he himself doesn't say anything about his situation he has plenty of people around that will and normally it's not a positive take against the club which by definition means against the fanbase.
 
jem said:
This is the ultimate frustration with Pogba. I’ve been ready for a while to just move on from him but then you see him in the last few games and realize that he is one of the few players of the requisite quality in our squad. It’d be so interesting to see what Pogba and Bruno could do with a top class DM behind them.
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How about this for getting the most out of Bruno and Pogba.

DDG

Dalot Varane Meh Shaw

Mctominay Rice

Pogba

Rashford Bruno Sancho​

I really feel Bruno could be effective in a false 9 role with two pace wingers on either side of him. He has excellent movement in and around the box, can play the intricate one-twos, is a classy finisher and can shoot from distance. Moving Bruno into a strikers role also opens up the CAM role for Pogba to shine. Give the latter freedom to roam, dribble, shoot and create as he sees fit and I think it will work. Put Rice in a primarily defensive role but with enough freedom to make forward runs when the opportunity presents itself. Yeah, Mctomnay is nothing special, but affording his replacement in the same window we buy Rice is asking a lot.
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Forevergiggs1 said:
Respect? Pogba has openly touted at least 3 times that he would be open to a move away and that's 3 times that we know of. Including Raiola offering him to City which was confirmed by Guardiola as well as on the eve of an important CL game. Just because he himself doesn't say anything about his situation he has plenty of people around that will and normally it's not a positive take against the club which by definition means against the fanbase.
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Tell you what, we'll revisit this if/when Pobga decides to join one of Chelsea or City in the summer. It's just conjecture at this point.
 
Wherever he goes next he'll absolutely destroy teams and everyone will be left asking why it didn't work out here.

Similar to Chelsea with Rudiger the best case scenario for the club is to end up paying the extortionate wages. Just take a look at what we need if Pogba stays, before even adding the cost of replacing Pogba.

Striker - potentially no senior players at all here if we finish outside the top 4 and Ronaldo leaves. (Martial away on loan) 2 players required
RW - Sancho looks better on the left and with only Rashford and Elanga capable of playing wide we need another body.
Defensive midfield - obvious hole
RB - AWB has been frozen out completely Laird will likely go back on loan again
Centre back - We're basically down to Maguire, Varane and Lindelof. Jones and Bailly are always injured

6 players with like 4 needing to be starting quality. Then add replacing Pogba on top of it and you can see the massive mess we've got ourselves in to
 
Dont. Fall. For. It.

He's seen the Ronaldo effect when it was touted he might sign for a Premier league competitor and thinks that will get him loads of money and new contract. Need to get used to letting him go....

Cheers
 
P-Nut said:
Wherever he goes next he'll absolutely destroy teams and everyone will be left asking why it didn't work out here.

Similar to Chelsea with Rudiger the best case scenario for the club is to end up paying the extortionate wages. Just take a look at what we need if Pogba stays, before even adding the cost of replacing Pogba.

Striker - potentially no senior players at all here if we finish outside the top 4 and Ronaldo leaves. (Martial away on loan) 2 players required
RW - Sancho looks better on the left and with only Rashford and Elanga capable of playing wide we need another body.
Defensive midfield - obvious hole
RB - AWB has been frozen out completely Laird will likely go back on loan again
Centre back - We're basically down to Maguire, Varane and Lindelof. Jones and Bailly are always injured

6 players with like 4 needing to be starting quality. Then add replacing Pogba on top of it and you can see the massive mess we've got ourselves in to
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Pogba wont get a better deal than being with us. I think he will sign.
We will get one DM. McT and Fred will still be here. Garner and DvB will come back. Matic will be done.
I expect one striker to come in. Cavani, Greenwood and Ronaldo will be gone.
The club will say we have Rashford, Elanga and Shoretire.

That's it.
 
P-Nut said:
Similar to Chelsea with Rudiger the best case scenario for the club is to end up paying the extortionate wages. Just take a look at what we need if Pogba stays, before even adding the cost of replacing Pogba.
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£400k p/w for four years would £83.2m. £500k would be £104m, and those figures are just base wages, not including the MASSIVE agent fee Raiola will be eyeing up.

We must be able to find someone who offers more than Pogba does to us for that money (inclusive of wages and transfer fee) if we're going to compete. Giving Pogba and Raiola that money only limits what we can do in the transfer market, it doesn't help us.
 
Trex said:
Trust me I'm not hurt, but look at that list ehh, you agree with it?
I don't actually think Pogba is worth 500k a week, non of our players are, I'm not a fan of Mino either, but I'm a bit concerned with letting one of our better player go....as for Pogba consistency, no one at United is consistent, only Bruno has shown genuine level of consistency over a sustained period, it a United thing not a Pogba thing.
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Bellingham
De Jong
Veratti
Barrella
Ruiz
Neves
McGinn
Ward-Prowse
Haidara
Rice


Bellingham, De Jong, Neves, Barella, Tchouameni....would definitely improve us right from the start.

I like Veratti and Rice....but price would have to right for him otherwise no

McGinn and Haidara......great engine, hard worker, decent on the ball but is he a big upgrade? should be buy a guy like him instead of looking at Hannibal or Levitt or Gailbraith or Garner?

WP....no thanks
 
Pogba will probably go to Real Madrid. He will get a huge signing bonus for sure for his free transfer.
 
V.O. said:
£400k p/w for four years would £83.2m. £500k would be £104m, and those figures are just base wages, not including the MASSIVE agent fee Raiola will be eyeing up.

We must be able to find someone who offers more than Pogba does to us for that money (inclusive of wages and transfer fee) if we're going to compete. Giving Pogba and Raiola that money only limits what we can do in the transfer market, it doesn't help us.
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Any player who can dictate a game like Pogba and hit his assist numbers are going to cost north or 60m at a minimum. They are also going to want big wages and a hefty signing bonus. With all the areas we need to address its just too much outlay
 
el3mel said:
I bet he'll end up extending his contract because of nobody being interested in paying him what he wants.
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There is that possibility, it is the last major contract of his career. Though you have to question how much money does he need and whether he wants major trophies. If he wants trophies then moving to Madrid is a no brainer.
 
P-Nut said:
Any player who can dictate a game like Pogba and hit his assist numbers are going to cost north or 60m at a minimum. They are also going to want big wages and a hefty signing bonus. With all the areas we need to address its just too much outlay
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Pogba does not dictate at all, its been a clear problem in our games.
 
I've normally not really been that bothered about him leaving but we're in a serious mess right now with enough problems to sort out in the transfer market.
 
P-Nut said:
Wherever he goes next he'll absolutely destroy teams and everyone will be left asking why it didn't work out here.
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Which is exactly what this hard headed fanbase deserves. The fact some posters will say how bad Pogba is then shower McFred with praise for a few 10 yard passes in a backs to the wall performance is the height of the nonsensical analysis of him as a player.

He was damn good before us, has been damn good for France whilst with us yet has allen short of expectations under the management of the ghost of Jose & a manager no other EPL team will touch. If he were the bad player in 6 years I’d agree but we’ve seen he’s far from the worst problem in this squad & people won’t let their irrational views go.
 
Dan_F said:
Pogba in the form he’s shown since coming back is a great asset, but I’d rather we just let him go at this point. One less polarising player for us to argue over would be great.
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The polarisation will happen regardless.
 
Personally I hope he goes and we finally move on. I can’t see Chelsea or any other PL club going in for him, especially at any where near what we’re paying him.
 
This latest news that Pogba opens door to PL teams actually suggest that his ask is way too high for Juventus / Real / Barca / PSG . Just think about it , even PSG did not find it reasonable.
Consider Chelsea even not willing to extend Rudiger with similar wages as Maguire and Varane , I believe they have a more rigorous wage structure to abide with , and would not offer higher wages than we do with Pogba . Same case with City and Liverpool too . If this drama is about money, I'm quite optimistic that Pogba will end up extending with us.
 
Pogba left a team in the UCL Final to join United who was (at the time) in the Europa league.

Yet, people here believe he'll join Chelsea.
 
Give him what he wants. I don’t think you realise how much we will regret this. When he came on yesterday, he proved his class for me. So important.
 
I hope we're just assuming he is leaving, and are making plans on that assumption.

It's a bit mad to think we could be 6-7 first team players down on the start of the season, with limited incoming transfer fees involved.
 
VivaJesperBlomqvist said:
Give him what he wants. I don’t think you realise how much we will regret this. When he came on yesterday, he proved his class for me. So important.
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Regret what, he's permanently injured and been hugely inconsistent. United should be looking at this as an opportunity to get him off the books as he's been nothing but trouble since day one.
 
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