Pogba

[RedDevil@84]

During SAF times we were good though. I don't think there's much wrong with players calling out the absolute shit show that's going on at the club right now when its the truth.

I dont think it is ok for players to say stuff to media, just because it is true, partially true or true from the player's point of view

For example, I wouldn't be ok with VdB saying that the managers and the club has no idea how to play him. Don't want DDG to go and tell he has absolute plonkers in front of him. Don't want Maguire to go and tell that not having any good enough midfielders in front of hm is making his job difficult. Rangnick to go and tell he has absolute donkeys above him.

 

[Stacks]

We have an £80mil CB along with his chuckle brother at LB who think defending is beneath him more often than not.

Pogba should go but fans are in for a massive shock if they think that happening & replacing him with X Player will change much.

this is sadly true. Luke Shaw is the biggest opposite of Wes Brown. Defending doesn't mean anything to him. its like a chore

 

[Redlyn]

We have an £80mil CB along with his chuckle brother at LB who think defending is beneath him more often than not.

Pogba should go but fans are in for a massive shock if they think that happening & replacing him with X Player will change much.

It wont transform us, afterall we are losing a quality player, even if the application is not always there.
But for me losing him (an 8/10 on some days and 5.5/10 on most) and replacing him with a consistent 6.5 - 7 player is already a step in the right direction.
We need about 20 of these small steps in the right direction, but we have to start somewhere. He really needs to go.

 

[Ace of Spades]

Pogba is an odd player

• Used to love watching him play, stylistically
• Harbor no ill will towards him. Seems like a nice enough chap.
• But definitely believe it's the right decision to let him go

At the end of the day I find it hard to feel passionate either way about Pogba because he's such an in and out figure at United whether it be quality of performances or his availability/being picked.

Sums up my feelings overall as well. Think it is best to part ways.

 

[OL29]

His fans have almost caused a civil war amongst our fan base and I genuinely hope some of them leave with him. It’s been so toxic at times even attempting to question his actual value to the team. Pogba is great everyone else has let him down. It’s nonsense. We’ve signed tonnes of different players to unlock and help him. He had structure, burgeoning success, a defined playing role and the captaincy under Jose and he laughed in his face and spoke about leaving after one year here. He’s basically just been injured half the time since then. On the balance just because the bits of info we get says he’s chilled and approachable behind the scenes doesn’t actually mean he’s the right player for us. That’s half the job. What’s really good for morale is being that guy but also leading on the pitch by example and he’s been terrible on that front. Off the pitch I think all this putting himself above the club has helped lead the lads faster towards the selfish entitled group of players that are more hungry to build their brands and take pops at the club and fans that we have now. They couldn’t really care less and it shines through all too often in their performances.

It’s funny how you can place the blame for division in the fanbase regarding Pogba purely on ‘his fans’ yet completely ignore the disproportionate criticism/ lies he gets thrown at him. I don’t think there’s a single poster here who thinks he’s lived up to expectations or is blameless in his inconsistency but you can’t expect people to remain silent at the constant character assassination he gets. You were saying just the other day that he’s using his mental health issues as an excuse for downing tools under Jose which is inaccurate at best, and a complete lie at worst. The conversation regarding Pogba would be a lot less polarised if people were more balanced in their arguments on both sides. To try and pin the blame solely on those who speak well of him shows a massive lack of self awareness.

 

[OL29]

No they aren't

This is like Rashford all over again. There are a tiny proportion of people who hate him and will always give him abuse no matter what. There are far more people who seem to think any criticism of a black player must have a racial element to it and then there are the rest of us in the middle who are football fans.

Where did he even mention race?

 

[Maticmaker]

It's a sad time really, Pogba's ability has never been in doubt, but his ability to produce it when necessary definitely is.

Paul must leave OT, for his own sake. Like many others with talent, Pogba cannot live with the pressure that it brings to be thought of as, 'our best player' a label many fans still attribute to him. I think there is a role which he can excel in, but he needs players of similar talents around him, so that the 'assist' part of his game becomes 'electric'. The problem has been that because so much is expected of him, together with the motley state of our squad, means that he has to be used in positions he is really not comfortable with, sometimes just to get him a presence on the pitch.
Paul, as we have all witnessed is prone to winding himself up, how many times has he won the ball or beaten an opponent to it, then somehow manages to go back for an 'action replay' instead of moving the ball quickly ,thereby allowing the opponent, now supported by a colleague to get back at him and between them they rob him of possession, quite often in the wrong part of the pitch. Suddenly all our players who are moving forward anticipating Paul's 'killer' ball, have to back track quickly (if they can be a**sed) and we are exposed at the back.

Things are unlikely to get better quickly and therefore Paul needs to move on, he's not the guy we need in the trenches!

 

[SirReginald]

Absolutely delighted he'll soon be gone. Hopefully we'll replace him with someone who gives a shit.

You always get rumors player x is a problem, every team has them but you never feel there’s enough substantial evidence. Pogba on the other hand, you could believe each and every bad story about him, for such a big name player it really is crazy just how unprofessional he is.

It’s not just giving a shit about the club, he created divisions in the dressing room and rarely shows the effort or passion required and seems to self promote his brand more than focus on his day job.

 

[Elcabron]

We should have sold him two years ago and will now frustratingly, lose him for free a second time.

However losing him for free this summer is preferable to him signing a new contract, it hasn't worked out and nothing is going to change. We really need to move on.

 

[Bondi77]

Pogba negotiated an insanely huge deal with Juve while under contract with United and left when Fergie wouldn't match it, after all this was a player who was still a teenager having played a few parting cameos for the first team suddenly demanding a pay rise or else.

It was clear he had the wrong attitude.

Fergie at the time: "It is disappointing. I don't think he showed us any respect at all, to be honest. I'm quite happy that if they [footballers] carry on that way, they're probably better doing it away from us."

It's one of the major failings of the Glazer regime that we are now full of players who are here simply because they can't get higher salaries elsewhere, and their agents made mugs of us.

I totally agree with you on our current status.

 

[ManchesterManchester]

The hate for Pogba has always come from him being our best player so everyone always blamed him when things went wrong. I think the hate actually effected his performances big time, feel really sorry for the guy despite how much he earns, he’s human.

It’s best for both of us to part ways now. We need hungry energetic players to get us back where we need to be and he needs a fresh start. He’s had some great moments with us though.

 

[Cathy Ferguson]

I don't think our new manager will fancy such a slow and static player. I don't think there are a plethora of teams willing to offer him 350-500k per week for the next 4-5 years. I hope we focus on more dynamic and younger midfielders. His reputation doesn't match his performances on the pitch.

 

[VivaRonaldo85]

In professional worklife, who your boss is is very important. Even more so in extremely competetive markets, of which professional football is one.

Of all the things to harp on Pogba for, wanting to see what direction the club is taking is absolutely not one of them.

Have you seen what he’s delivered on the pitch in the last 5 years? You earn the right to have that approach. He absolutely has not earned it.

 

[Hugh Jass]

He must be over the moon with the Aston Villa rumours.

 

[2 man midfield]

He must be over the moon with the Aston Villa rumours.

he’s in a tough spot now if Madrid can’t be arsed with him either. Surely PSG will be in for him?

 

[UnitedFan93]

The hate for Pogba has always come from him being our best player so everyone always blamed him when things went wrong. I think the hate actually effected his performances big time, feel really sorry for the guy despite how much he earns, he’s human.

It’s best for both of us to part ways now. We need hungry energetic players to get us back where we need to be and he needs a fresh start. He’s had some great moments with us though.

Agree with all that, except he's never been our best player.

Fans are pissed off because Pogba and his agent have been constantly slagging off the club at every opportunity for the last 3 years whilst picking up his massive paycheck and running down his contract. The lack of respect from Pogba and his agent towards the club has been disgraceful and the club really should have booted him out 2/3 years ago.

I honestly can't think of a more toxic, disruptive player/agent duo than Pogba and Raiola. The worst this club has ever had to deal with. Can't wait to see the back of them.

 

[WeePat]

Absolute state of this. My expectations are low for the Daily Star but come on.

The only thing that's toxic waste in this scenario is gutter press tabloids Shameless. It's not even remotely shocking that they changed 'this season is dead' to 'United are dead to me'.

 

[redmanx]

I'm glad i'm not the only one who sees this - I said the same thing about 2 years back.. Even if we ignore the fact that he thinks defending is beneath him and Jogs around the pitch putting in the barest shadow of effort. The fact that when he gets the ball he purposely holds on to it as long as possible to invite pressure. It's like he thinks he's so good that he says "i'll decide when i pass the ball, i'm not going to let you dictate it to me"

I have never been impressed by Pogba, he has all the skill in the world but no heart, no spirit and no application.

 

[redmanx]

Apart from the numerous haircuts....

That was a delight.

Never knowing what new and crazy style he's going to bring to the pitch...

Man i'm gonna miss that.

I wont miss anything about him.

 

[TsuWave]

everything he said was right. also, best midfielder at the club. it is what it is.

 

[Ollie Derbyshire]

everything he said was right. also, best midfielder at the club. it is what it is.

Best midfielders aren’t gassed after 50mins.

 

[TsuWave]

Totally open to the Paris move and is visibly sick and tired of United. Astonishes me how some fans are still fully behind this clown. Many other big clubs' fans would have booed him at their stadiums.

what has he said there that's wrong? you're on a forum trying to get people to boo a player because he said he wants to win and United has failed to do so.

He said nothing wrong, it's better than leaking stuff and not coming forward with what he really thinks like a lot of other players.

It's also pretty much a fact he has wasted a significant part of his career with United.

Facts

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

It wont transform us, afterall we are losing a quality player, even if the application is not always there.
But for me losing him (an 8/10 on some days and 5.5/10 on most) and replacing him with a consistent 6.5 - 7 player is already a step in the right direction.
We need about 20 of these small steps in the right direction, but we have to start somewhere. He really needs to go.

Ageeed but there seems to be this certainty we sign a more consistent midfielder when I genuinely think if you pick him out & add ‘Player X’ they’d have been meh in the past 5 years under these set ups.

The move in isolation is talent suicide when we’ll be seeing McFred together again for the foreseeable.

 

[TsuWave]

Best midfielders aren’t gassed after 50mins.

yet he's still the best midfielder at United.

 

[Rolaholic]

Best midfielders aren’t gassed after 50mins.

Covid-19 + lack of match fitness can do that...look no further than Kevin De Bruyne's comments about how much he struggled months and months after contracting it

 

[TenonTen]

what has he said there that's wrong? you're on a forum trying to get people to boo a player because he said he wants to win and United has failed to do so.

He's equally to blame for the failure. Has he been consistently good??

He's literally the main signing of this "project" which started years back. Tremendous lack of self awareness by Pogba to act as if he is just a victim/bystander of this club's performances.

He's every bit as disappointing as the others, if not more because of his off the field drama.

But hey, lets blame it all on teammates and previous managers. How convenient!

Every player says "I want to win". Actions speak louder than words.

 

[Ollie Derbyshire]

Sorry but that’s just wrong, most naturally talented sure, but as he can only play at full pelt for about 30mins he’s no good to us. The guy just strolls around for most the game, dawdles on then ball far too much and picks out a top class pass very rarely now a days.

Can’t see any of that reversing either, will only get worse.

 

[Ollie Derbyshire]

Covid-19 + lack of match fitness can do that...look no further than Kevin De Bruyne's comments about how much he struggled months and months after contracting it

He strolled around loads before COVID, he hasn’t applied himself fully for years.

 

[Rolaholic]

He strolled around loads before COVID, he hasn’t applied himself fully for years.

You say this with a straight face yet oddly enough he was second only to Fred on this team in pressing numbers this season before going down with injury in December

 

[Ollie Derbyshire]

You say this with a straight face yet funny enough he was second only to Fred on this team in pressing numbers this season before going down with injury in December

I’d watched him press, it ain’t much. I’ve nothing against him I just don’t think he’s effective enough in our team to bother keeping.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

He said nothing wrong, it's better than leaking stuff and not coming forward with what he really thinks like a lot of other players.

It's also pretty much a fact he has wasted a significant part of his career with United.

This./

You say this with a straight face yet oddly enough he was second only to Fred on this team in pressing numbers this season before going down with injury in December

Nothing like adding facts to a nonsense argument

 

[UnitedFan93]

everything he said was right. also, best midfielder at the club. it is what it is.

He's our most talented midfielder. However, the fact that 3 managers still couldn't/can't find his best position suggests to me that there are more reliable players in our squad.

 

[RedDevil@84]

what has he said there that's wrong?

This is the kind of blind support that seems exclusive to Pogba.
Would you also be ok with Maguire moaning on club unable to buy proper midfielders or DDG moaning about the defensive 4 in front of him or Ronalod moaning about how Ole and Ralf are not quality enough coaches.
There will be riots if every player starts talking whatever is there in their minds.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

He's our most talented midfielder. However, the fact that 3 managers still couldn't/can't find his best position suggests to me that there are more reliable players in our squad.

Such as who? McTominay was playing CB under Jose. Bruno wasn’t here. Rashford? Martial? Name me a player that’s delivered under the last 3 managers - all of whom were unfit for the role themselves. Luke Shaw? Only plays one position & doubts raised by 2 of 3 managers. Criticising Pogba is fair & warranted but making stuff up is unnecessary. None of our squad is particularly reliable.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

This is the kind of blind support that seems exclusive to Pogba.
Would you also be ok with Maguire moaning on club unable to buy proper midfielders or DDG moaning about the defensive 4 in front of him or Ronalod moaning about how Ole and Ralf are not quality enough coaches.
There will be riots if every player starts talking whatever is there in their minds.

When has Pogba done the equivalent of the above.

This is the kind of outright exaggeration & fabrication blind seems exclusive to Pogba.

 

[UnitedFan93]

Such as who? McTominay was playing CB under Jose. Bruno wasn’t here. Rashford? Martial? Name me a player that’s delivered under the last 3 managers - all of whom were unfit for the role themselves. Luke Shaw? Only plays one position & doubts raised by 2 of 3 managers. Criticising Pogba is fair & warranted but making stuff up is unnecessary. None of our squad is particularly reliable.

No one has delivered consistently, never said they have. All I am saying is that there have been better midfield combinations that have suited the balance of the squad under the last three managers.

Rangnick prefers Fred and Mctominay with Bruno infront.

Ole preferred Fred and Mctominay with Bruno infront.

Mourinho, to be fair, tried to get the best out of Pogba. He signed Matic and later Fred so Pogba could play further forward. He was constantly experimenting with different combinations involving Herrera, Matic, Fellaini, Pogba to get the best out of Pogba. However he couldn't. I remember loads of times under Mourinho where we ended up throwing Fellaini on and going long to salvage a game. I didn't like that style of football but it was very effective in the 16/17 season when we won the league Cup and Europa League.

Pogba has still not established a position in the team despite being here for 5 years. That I'm not making up. What's Pogba's best position?

 

[TheRedDevil2019]

The hate for Pogba has always come from him being our best player so everyone always blamed him when things went wrong. I think the hate actually effected his performances big time, feel really sorry for the guy despite how much he earns, he’s human.

It’s best for both of us to part ways now. We need hungry energetic players to get us back where we need to be and he needs a fresh start. He’s had some great moments with us though.

Wrong, the hate stemmed from the fact he spent so much time showboating in games, making costly mistakes and not attempting to even atone for it.

Ridiculous penalty misses, ridiculous hair styles and a downright lazy work attitude. Strolling around like having no care in the world.

Can't say I'll miss him at all. Shame as there's a top draw player in there but he has the wrong mentality.

 

[captaincantona]

He said nothing wrong, it's better than leaking stuff and not coming forward with what he really thinks like a lot of other players.

It's also pretty much a fact he has wasted a significant part of his career with United.

He is talking as if United have let him down and like he somehow deserves better. Like he, as a mega signing and one of our best paid players, has had no hand or responsibility in our capitulation. As if it is a fact that he plays well with France because France play him in a position that suits him. It is arrogant and ignorant in equal measure.

International football suits his pedestrian nature and the time he gets on the ball suits him. He has neither the engine nor the urgency to succeed in the PL and does not work hard enough for either of the top two teams to want him.

He has wasted his own career with Utd...his inability to adapt and to rise consistently to the challenge. He is not the reason for Utds drop in standards but this so called leader has done nothing to prevent it.

His statement is wrong because he does not accept his own shortcomings. Now if he says something along the lines of “I am not satisfied with not winning trophies, my injuries have meant I can’t help my team, I have been unable to find a place in the team where I can give my best” then that would be a more accurate representation of what has been happening. Instead he strolls around after 50 minutes, not tracking runs, giving away the ball cheaply, fouling and diving in...and then wonders why we haven’t achieved more.

Fuk off Paul.

 

[90 + 5min]

everything he said was right. also, best midfielder at the club. it is what it is.

Maybe on Football Manager.

In reality, he is way down in best midfielder list. We could even argue that we got more from Matic this year than Pogba. McTominay, Fred, Fernandes who are playing in pretty much same positions have all been better and more useful. It is shame. Because he did have talent when he was young. Reminds me little bit of Mario Balotelli and his career without changing clubs as much as he did.

 

[foolsgold]

Best midfielders aren’t gassed after 50mins.

yet he's still the best midfielder at United.

Both these things are kinda true and speak about the general quality of the team