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That's one of the things that's being missed here....

An MP tries to buy a senior post and doesn't get it despite promises, so dishes the dirt.

Someone can buy a post in government, that's the f*cking story.

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As a junior doctor, I'm definitely fecking off to somewhere else in a couple of years. An alarming amount of my mates are planning on doing the same.

9 PM on a Saturday not considered an "unsociable hour" anymore. Cool.

Good luck to you. Most junior docs I know are doing the same. Australia is going to suddenly get quite crowded with the UK's brightest and best.
 
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Hasn't Cuba got the most doctors? Maybe we should copy them.

Or you know we could just aim to not be among the worst while simultaneously asking doctors to work more hours for less pay.
 
The total budget of the NHS will have increased by an additional £8bn per annum over the course of this parliament, and that is before we address the future costs of treatments and medication. The demands put upon the modern health service are different from those at its inception, i think that the country (MPs and voters at home) needs decide on a strategy fit for the organisation in the 21st Century.



The background to this dispute is complex. Back in 2012, the Department of Health called for changes to a junior doctors' contract which dated back to the late 1990's. The British Medical Association agreed to discuss terms and conditions for their members. After two years of talks, negotiations broke down. In August this year, the BMA refused to go back to the negotiating table, accusing the Government of a "heavy-handed" approach, and ministers then said a new contract would be imposed.

The Scottish and Welsh administrations, however, have said they will continue with current arrangements.

The employers argue that they are ready to negotiate based on principles drawn up by the doctors' and dentists' pay review body. Sources say by walking away from talks the BMA has passed up on the opportunity to get a reasonable deal for members. They deny there are any firm plans involving 30% pay cuts. The BMA says the sticking point is over the employers' refusal to budge on classifying Saturday shifts in the same way as weekday ones.

The case for contract reform is that there are inconsistencies in a highly complex system which can result in varied working hours in different trusts. For the most recently qualified junior doctors, basic pay is around £23,000 a year. There is a 50% annual top up for those who work one weekend in six but that applies both to those who are on call at home and those who spend both Saturdays and Sundays at work. This top up, known as banding, also involves an obligation to work unsocial hours at other times of the week. Some junior doctors are required to work one weekend in four to qualify for the 50% banding. Others receive a 20% banding payment, again, depending on their working hours schedule.

A more transparent system and with payment linked to responsibilities is what the employers' claim to be seeking. This would involve higher basic rates of pay than now, which would mean higher pension entitlements. While they acknowledge some doctors would lose out, they argue that some would gain.

NHS Employers is now planning a roadshow, putting the case for reform at a series of meetings with junior doctors. The organisation hopes that the rank and file may be more open to the idea of change than the BMA representatives. But these may be stormy sessions with the two sides apparently some distance apart.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-34319670

Existing pay structure for doctors :: http://www.nhscareers.nhs.uk/explore-by-career/doctors/pay-for-doctors/
 
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Just watched Farage's speech. So many old white people. Biggest applause line (standing ovation) = "we want our country back!". Such a despicable party, based these days almost entirely on xenophobic fear of outsiders and change.
 
Just watched Farage's speech. So many old white people. Biggest applause line (standing ovation) = "we want our country back!". Such a despicable party, based these days almost entirely on xenophobic fear of outsiders and change.

Prepare for the gospel according to Ukip: Nigel Farage’s Christian missionaries are coming.

I’ve just been to a fringe event entitled “Christian Soldiers in Ukip: The moral case for Britain to be able to control her borders.” It began with a bible reading from Acts Chapter 17 Verse 24-26, which says:

From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands.

There followed a sermon from Ade Amooba, co-founder of Christian Concern, a charity which provides support to b&b owners who refuse to allow same sex couples to share a bed and the like. Amooba, who moved to Britain from Nigeria 30 years ago, said God operates the ultimate border control because he doesn’t just let anyone into heaven.

Another speaker was Neville Watson, a born again Christian life coach, who stood for Ukip in Edmonton, North London, in the general election. With his charity Christian Action, he announced a “mission” to take Ukip’s message to London’s churches.

“From today we are missionaries tasked with taking the message of Ukip to churches across the length and breadth of London,” he said, to polite applause. He got a bigger clap when telling how he was effectively blacklisted by Enfield council after he suggested his church in Wood Green would find it “difficult” to marry a gay couple.

“I have nothing personal against the gay community. I really don’t,” he said. “I couldn’t, as a Christian. But all I said was what I said. That was enough for me to be ostracised.”



I noticed Farage more recently has been coming out with a lot more stuff about promoting our 'Christian values'. All quite worrying stuff.
 
Just watched Farage's speech. So many old white people. Biggest applause line (standing ovation) = "we want our country back!". Such a despicable party, based these days almost entirely on xenophobic fear of outsiders and change.
Not a zenophobic fear of outsiders and change but a fear of Merkel's manipulation and the power crazy beaurocrats in Europe. (The ones we don't see or hear but make the decisions. The ones we don't vote for either.)
 
So apparently no-ones brought this up?

More than 2,300 died after fit for work assessment - DWP figures
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Some 2,380 people have died after being found fit for work and losing benefits, Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) figures show.

Between December 2011 and February 2014 the equivalent of about 90 people a month died after their Employment and Support Allowance claim was ended.

Campaigners have called for the "tragic" figures to be investigated.

The DWP said no link could be assumed between the deaths and claimants being deemed fit for work.

'Tragic'
The figures - and the time frame they cover - were released after the Information Commissioner ruled the government should release the statistics, including mortality rates for benefit claimants, in response to Freedom of Information (FOI) requests.

The data does not contain a breakdown of how the people died.

The 2,380 people who died had received Work Capability Assessments (WCA) to decide if they were eligible to receive ESA, which replaced incapacity benefit, income support and severe disablement allowance in 2008.

Of the 2,380, 1,340 died after appealing against their decisions, though it is not known what proportion of those appeals were successful or failed.

Learning disability charity Mencap said the numbers appeared unusually high for people of working age who had so recently been declared fit.

The charity's Rob Holland, who co-chairs the Disability Benefits Consortium, a consortium of charities and other bodies, said: "These tragic figures are concerning and warrant further investigation.

"We know the fit for work test is failing disabled people, with devastating consequences."

The figures said 2,017,070 people were given a decision following their WCA between May 2010 and February 2013, with 40,680 dying within a year of that decision.

But the data showed a decline in the mortality rate of all benefit claimants - the number of deaths per 100,000 people - from 822 to 723 between 2003 and 2013.

This was slower, proportionally, than the decline in the mortality rate of the general population, which fell from 305 to 240 in the same period, according to the statistics.

'Shocking figures'
Mike Sivier, a campaigner who made one of the FOI requests, said: "I am glad that the figures have come out.

"The whole point of making an FOI request was to raise questions. It is important to keep asking questions."

Labour leadership candidate and shadow health secretary Andy Burnham said they were "shocking figures" and called for an "urgent national debate" about the statistics.

The DWP said it had always intended to release the information but only "once they had met the high standards expected of official statistics".

It said it did not hold the information on the reason for the deaths which meant no link could be drawn between the WCA decision and the number of people who died.

A DWP spokesman said: "The mortality rate for people who have died while claiming an out-of-work benefit has fallen over a 10-year period. This is in line with the mortality rate for the general working-age population.

"The government continues to support millions of people on benefits with an £80bn working-age welfare safety net in place."
No they didn't. Shame on Sky and BBC for not covering this.
 
Not a zenophobic fear of outsiders and change but a fear of Merkel's manipulation and the power crazy beaurocrats in Europe. (The ones we don't see or hear but make the decisions. The ones we don't vote for either.)
No, their entire platform is currently based on immigration. The party started out as one concerned with sovereignty, it only gained traction when it started stoking the fires of xenophobia.
 
This implies some sort of causation which is not something you can prove. At the most there is correlation but if we were really going to throw around accusations you should look into the circumstances of those that died.

I don't think there needs to be causation for it to be a serious issue but I agree it should be looked at more closely.
 
Just watched Farage's speech. So many old white people. Biggest applause line (standing ovation) = "we want our country back!". Such a despicable party, based these days almost entirely on xenophobic fear of outsiders and change.

Leaving the EU woulod be one of the biggest changes to the country in decades. and inherent to such a decision is an outward looking trade policy.
 
Good plan. Just update us when you've figured out how to pay the salaries.
Simple, we stop giving the NHS money to companies like Virgin and actually give it to the NHS.
 
Leaving the EU woulod be one of the biggest changes to the country in decades. and inherent to such a decision is an outward looking trade policy.
You're correct, but also being pedantic. UKIP is social conservatism at its most grizzly and wrong. The old white people in that audience, lapping up the words of the fuhrer, want a return to the days when kids could happily smoke and you heard less foreign accents around. Square root of feck all to do with the ability to negotiate trade deals for ourselves.
 
No, their entire platform is currently based on immigration. The party started out as one concerned with sovereignty, it only gained traction when it started stoking the fires of xenophobia.

More accountable taxation as well as sovereignty IIRC. Farage went way OTT with the anti-immigration rhetoric during the TV debates, language which somewhat exaggerated the reality of UKIP's own policies. As far back as 2004 the party was Britain's third largest in Brussels, a time when the BNP played host to the racist element of the electorate. What we've seen over the the past 12-18 months in particular, has had some element of political manoeuvring to it, targeting both disillusioned Tories and Labour voters who feel that they've been taken for granted.
 
You're correct, but also being pedantic. UKIP is social conservatism at its most grizzly and wrong. The old white people in that audience, lapping up the words of the fuhrer, want a return to the days when kids could happily smoke and you heard less foreign accents around. Square root of feck all to do with the ability to negotiate trade deals for ourselves.

I'm not going to deny that UKIP it socially conservative, that would be daft, although it is to repeat the mistakes of the 2000s to dismiss them and their concerns as purely racially motivated. Their rise is as much a symptom of the failures of others, from Blair's government to Cameron's.

Before it became a Twitter trend, Farage said this in 2013:
"I think refugees are a very different thing to economic migration and I think that this country should honour the spirit of the 1951 declaration on refugee status that was agreed," he told BBC News.

"It was agreed with the UN and even through the European court, which sadly has changed its role. But the original ideas of defining what a refugee is were good ones.

"I think actually there is a responsibility on all of us in the free west to try and help some of those people in Syria fleeing literally in fear of their lives."
 
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More accountable taxation as well as sovereignty IIRC. Farage went way OTT with the anti-immigration rhetoric during the TV debates, language which somewhat exaggerated the reality of UKIP's own policies. As far back as 2004 the party was Britain's third largest in Brussels, a time when the BNP played host to the racist element of the electorate. What we've seen over the the past 12-18 months in particular, has had some element of political manoeuvring to it, targeting both disillusioned Tories and Labour voters who feel that they've been taken for granted.
EU election voting is always down in the mid 30s turnout wise though, and back then the UKIP vote was largely Tories lending their votes as they didn't have to worry about the FPTP absurdities. It's that level of turnout that makes me suspicious of claims that the EU's "democratic deficit" is a big issue to most people, otherwise they'd surely turn out and vote. (As an aside, going back through the previous elections, somewhat shocked to discover the Greens racked up over 2m votes in the '89 EU elections!)
I'm not going to deny that UKIP it socially conservative, that would be daft, although it is to repeat the mistakes of the 2000s to dismiss them and their concerns as purely racially motivated. Their rise is as much a symptom of the failures of others, from Blair's government to Cameron's.

Before it became a Twitter trend, Farage said this in 2013:
I'd separate UKIP voters and the party itself. I recognise fully that many of their voters have legitimate concerns, particularly in northern areas where local industry died and their prospects along with it (and the share of the blame heads back further than Blair, too). The party's shameful baiting of those grievances though was entirely calculated as the prime method of turning people against the EU.
 
The total budget of the NHS will have increased by an additional £8bn per annum over the course of this parliament, and that is before we address the future costs of treatments and medication. The demands put upon the modern health service are different from those at its inception, i think that the country (MPs and voters at home) needs decide on a strategy fit for the organisation in the 21st Century.





Existing pay structure for doctors :: http://www.nhscareers.nhs.uk/explore-by-career/doctors/pay-for-doctors/

This is the from the link

Pay for doctors
This page outlines the pay for doctors from 1 April 2015.

Doctors in training
All doctors in training earn a basic salary and may be paid an additional supplement depending on their working pattern.

In the most junior hospital trainee post (Foundation Year 1) the basic starting salary is £22,636. This increases in Foundation Year 2 to £28,076. For a doctor in specialist training the basic salary is between £30,002 and £47,175.

Specialty doctors
Doctors in the specialty doctor grade earn a basic salary of between £37,176 and £69,325.

Consultants
Consultants can earn a basic salary of between £75,249 and £101,451 per year, dependent on years of seniority in the consultant grade. Local and national clinical excellence awards may be awarded subject to meeting the necessary criteria.

General practitioners
Many general practitioners (GPs) are self employed and hold contracts, either on their own or as part of a Clinical Commissioning Group (CCG). The profit of GPs varies according to the services they provide for their patients and the way they choose to provide these services.

Salaried GPs have a salary range between £55,412 and £83,617. It is up to the employing organisation to decide how much to pay a Salaried GP within this range.

For more information about pay for doctors, visit the NHS Employers website.

There is a 50% annual top up for those who work one weekend in six but that applies both to those who are on call at home and those who spend both Saturdays and Sundays at work.

Junior doctors are in training which is costing the NHS hundreds of thousands per year. It isn't super rich money but it is well above average earnings while in training in a service industry. Is it even that bad?
 
New SNP MP suspended amid property probe

Business spokesman Michelle Thomson resigns from party whip as Police Scotland investigate 'irregularities' in property deals

By Auslan Cramb, Scottish Correspondent
29 Sep 2015


The SNP is facing major embarrassment after its business spokesman was suspended as police launched an investigation into property deals she was involved in five years ago.

Michelle Thomson withdrew herself from the party whip and stepped down from the front bench role after it emerged that officers were looking into “alleged irregularities” in a series of transactions.

A spokesman for the SNP said that the decision meant that in line with party rules her party membership was also suspended

The inquiry follows a tribunal last year in which Christopher Hales, a solicitor acting for the Edinburgh West MP, was struck off for professional misconduct over 13 deals potentially involving mortgage fraud.
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They were all linked to the politician, or to M&F Property Solutions, of which she was a partner.

The shadow minister for business, innovation and skills, who has been forced to deny accusations that she took advantage of vulnerable families by allegedly buying homes at knockdown prices, said she was happy to co-operate and suggested the decision to step down was hers.

But it is likely that the party left her no choice in the matter, while opposition parties called on Nicola Sturgeon to act and asked what had happened to the SNP’s promise of “a new politics” at Westminster.

John Swinney, the Deputy First Minister, said it was important that “allegations that are put forward in this matter are fully and comprehensively answered by Michelle Thomson”.

Ms Thomson issued a statement on Tuesday night saying: “I am aware of the police investigation and will cooperate fully if required to do so. I have always acted within the law and look forward to being cleared of any wrong doing.

“I have this afternoon decided to withdraw from the party whip whilst an investigation takes place. Once the investigation is concluded I look forward to returning to play a full role in party activities. I will be making no further comment on this matter.”

She was elected after becoming politically active during the Scottish independence campaign, when she acted as a managing director for the pro-independence group Business for Scotland.

She had previously worked in financial services for over 23 years before setting up her own property business in 2009.

According to the ruling from the Scottish Solicitors’ Discipline Tribunal last year, Mr Hales failed to provide key information to mortgage lenders in breach of guidelines designed to prevent mortgage fraud.

It said: “The tribunal consider that the features of these transactions were such that the respondent must have been aware that there was a possibility that he was facilitating mortgage fraud, whether or not this actually occurred”.

Police Scotland has since been instructed by the Crown Office to launch an inquiry into “alleged irregularities relating to property deals” in 2010 and 2011. A police source said the MP was not being investigated as part of the initial inquiry.

John Lamont, the Scottish Conservative chief whip, said that having first tried to ignore the allegations, the SNP had now “hit the panic button”.

He added: ”The SNP needs to explain very clearly what they knew about Ms Thomson's business dealing and whether they were aware of her connection to these property deals when she was being selected.

"The SNP promised a new politics at Westminster. It has taken a matter of weeks for their shine to wear off.”

Jackie Baillie, public service spokesman for Scottish Labour, said the case was now a “serious problem” for the First Minister and called for full transparency from the party leadership.

Lorna Jack, chief executive of the Law Society of Scotland, said it had a range of options if it was concerned about any potential criminal matter arising from a tribunal finding.

She added that in the case of Mr Hales, it raised the case informally with the Crown Office in December, and referred it formally to prosecutors in July this year.

The tribunal ruling in 2014 said the “central role” of Ms Thomson and M&F Property Solutions “should have set alarm bells ringing”.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/SNP/11900504/New-SNP-MP-suspended-amid-property-probe.html



Even if a by-election is ultimately necessary i expect tha the SNP will hold on to the seat, the previous incumbent was a Lib Dem and Labour support in the constituency fell below that of the Conservatives in the general election.
 
UK helped Saudi Arabia get UN human rights role through 'secret deal' to exchange votes, leaked documents suggest
'The ministry might find it an opportunity to exchange support with the United Kingdom', leaked cable reportedly reads

Britain allegedly helped Saudi Arabia's controversial election to the UN human rights council (UNHRC) through a secret vote-trading deal, leaked diplomatic cables have reportedly shown.
Saudi foreign ministry files, among 61,000 documents released by Wikileaks, reportedly refer to talks with British diplomats ahead of a November 2013 vote in New York and have been translated by Geneva-based human rights organisation UN Watch.
The classified exchanges, published by The Australian newspaper, allegedly suggest the UK initiated the secret negotiations by asking Saudi Arabia for its support.
Both countries were later elected to the UNHRC, which consists of 47 member states.
One Saudi cable reportedly read: “The delegation is honoured to send to the ministry the enclosed memorandum, which the delegation has received from the permanent mission of the United Kingdom asking it for the support and backing of the candidacy of their country to the membership of the human rights council (HRC) for the period 2014-2016, in the elections that will take place in 2013 in the city of New York.
“The ministry might find it an opportunity to exchange support with the United Kingdom, where the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia would support the candidacy of the United Kingdom to the membership of the council for the period 2014-2015 in exchange for the support of the United Kingdom to the candidacy of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.”

Saudi Arabia has been repeatedly denounced for its poor human rights record. The Gulf state is planning to imminently behead and crucify Ali Mohammed al-Nimr, who was arrested in 2012 for his participation in the Arab Spring protests when he was just 17 years old.
Hillel Neuer, executive director of UN Watch, told The Australian: "Based on the evidence, we remain deeply concerned that the UK may have contracted to elect the world’s most misogynistic regime as a world judge of human rights.
"UN Watch finds it troubling that the UK refuses to deny the London-Riyadh vote-trade as contemplated in the Saudi cable, nor even to reassure the public that their voting complies with the core reform of the UNHRC’s founding resolution, which provides that candidates be chosen based on their human rights record, and that members be those who uphold the highest standards of human rights."
A Foreign and Commonwealth Office spokesman told The Independent: “The British Government strongly promotes human rights around the world and we raise our human rights concerns with the Saudi Arabian authorities.
“We regularly make our views known, including through the UN Universal Periodic Review process and the Foreign and Commonwealth Office’s annual Human Rights and Democracy Report.”
The Saudi Arabian embassy has been contacted for comment but had not replied at the time of publication.
This week, the United Nations was criticised for electing Saudi Arabia's ambassador to the UN as head of a key UNHRC panel, despite the country's poor human rights record.
The wife of imprisoned blogger Raif Badawi said the "scandalous" appointment shows that "oil trumps human rights".

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...man-rights-council-seats-leaked-a6673491.html


Sad thing is that as reprehensible as this is it won't get half the publicity that it deserves, people too busy talking about the Great British Bake Off & News outlets too busy trying to make Jeremy Corbyn look like a fool.
 
UK helped Saudi Arabia get UN human rights role through 'secret deal' to exchange votes, leaked documents suggest
'The ministry might find it an opportunity to exchange support with the United Kingdom', leaked cable reportedly reads

Britain allegedly helped Saudi Arabia's controversial election to the UN human rights council (UNHRC) through a secret vote-trading deal, leaked diplomatic cables have reportedly shown.
Saudi foreign ministry files, among 61,000 documents released by Wikileaks, reportedly refer to talks with British diplomats ahead of a November 2013 vote in New York and have been translated by Geneva-based human rights organisation UN Watch.
The classified exchanges, published by The Australian newspaper, allegedly suggest the UK initiated the secret negotiations by asking Saudi Arabia for its support.
Both countries were later elected to the UNHRC, which consists of 47 member states.
One Saudi cable reportedly read: “The delegation is honoured to send to the ministry the enclosed memorandum, which the delegation has received from the permanent mission of the United Kingdom asking it for the support and backing of the candidacy of their country to the membership of the human rights council (HRC) for the period 2014-2016, in the elections that will take place in 2013 in the city of New York.
“The ministry might find it an opportunity to exchange support with the United Kingdom, where the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia would support the candidacy of the United Kingdom to the membership of the council for the period 2014-2015 in exchange for the support of the United Kingdom to the candidacy of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.”

Saudi Arabia has been repeatedly denounced for its poor human rights record. The Gulf state is planning to imminently behead and crucify Ali Mohammed al-Nimr, who was arrested in 2012 for his participation in the Arab Spring protests when he was just 17 years old.
Hillel Neuer, executive director of UN Watch, told The Australian: "Based on the evidence, we remain deeply concerned that the UK may have contracted to elect the world’s most misogynistic regime as a world judge of human rights.
"UN Watch finds it troubling that the UK refuses to deny the London-Riyadh vote-trade as contemplated in the Saudi cable, nor even to reassure the public that their voting complies with the core reform of the UNHRC’s founding resolution, which provides that candidates be chosen based on their human rights record, and that members be those who uphold the highest standards of human rights."
A Foreign and Commonwealth Office spokesman told The Independent: “The British Government strongly promotes human rights around the world and we raise our human rights concerns with the Saudi Arabian authorities.
“We regularly make our views known, including through the UN Universal Periodic Review process and the Foreign and Commonwealth Office’s annual Human Rights and Democracy Report.”
The Saudi Arabian embassy has been contacted for comment but had not replied at the time of publication.
This week, the United Nations was criticised for electing Saudi Arabia's ambassador to the UN as head of a key UNHRC panel, despite the country's poor human rights record.
The wife of imprisoned blogger Raif Badawi said the "scandalous" appointment shows that "oil trumps human rights".

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...man-rights-council-seats-leaked-a6673491.html


Sad thing is that as reprehensible as this is it won't get half the publicity that it deserves, people too busy talking about the Great British Bake Off & News outlets too busy trying to make Jeremy Corbyn look like a fool.

You are most likely correct and that is a travesty.
 
RIP Denis Healey, if only there were more (any?) of him about these days.

Endless quotes to choose from, here's a good one though:



EDIT - And here's a topical one:

 
RIP Denis Healey, if only there were more (any?) of him about these days.

Endless quotes to choose from, here's a good one though:



EDIT - And here's a topical one:




I remember him coming on TV to state that the Germans didn't want a united Germany just before the Berlin wall fell. He wasn't always right but at least he did say what he thought.
 
I recollect an exchange between Denis Healey and a Tory during the Falklands war, when he was sneeringly accused of being a 'typical labour pacifist'.
Denis gently informed the tory that in 1943 he had been Beachmaster at the terribly bloody landings of Salerno. No pacifist.
 
BBC's Sunday Politics going to town over Cameron's successor this morning. I wrongly expected a lot of this before the election, but it's really taking hold now. Might be a good thing for government if he announced he was re-enthused and had changed his mind, even if it wasn't true. He'll have to be quick if he's going to take that line though.
 
"Power to the people" sounds ridiculous coming from Osborne's mouth.