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Nick 0208 Ldn said:
No i do not (sounds like he same old scaremongering), but whether the motivations involved are pragmatism or politics will depend on the individual.

Healthcare provision does seem to drift from crisis to crisis however, and there are factions who seek to inflict their own brand of stupidity upon the nation: some within Labour circles see the solution as more NHS if you will, rarely considering its faults or the impracticalities of such; whereas others on the right would foster an increase in external interests beyond that which is wise, either borne out of disillusionment with the ideal or ideology.

The reality is that the Tories pledged an additional £8bn a year in NHS funding at the last election, compared with £2.5bn from Labour, and that neither figure adequately meets the financial demands of the health service. We're up to our necks in the proverbial, yet Jeremy Hunt and the brass at the BMA are more interested in squabbling.
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Really?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-35313830

http://m.wiltshiretimes.co.uk/news/...es_over_children_s_NHS_services_in_Wiltshire/

http://juniordoctorblog.com/2016/01/05/its-the-spin-that-wins/

http://www.theguardian.com/society/...ion-threatening-free-nhs-treatment-unions-say

http://www.theguardian.com/healthcare-network/2015/oct/02/nhs-one-way-road-privatisation

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/feb/08/this-nhs-crisis-is-not-economic-its-political



Some of that may be more biased than you'd like, fair enough. But even in those is hard fact regarding increasing privatisation of the health service.

As for the Mid Staffs and nursing shortage you were alluding to above:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/government-tried-hide-damning-evidence-7217222

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/dec/21/nurse-shortage-dangerous-90-of-hospitals

http://nursingnotes.co.uk/doh-suppressed-nice-guidelines-on-safe-staffing/

I really don't think an equivalence can be given to the BMA and the government in this situation.
 
Ubik said:
I actually agree on that, but dumb of him to use the office to make a remark that was controversial and easily disputed.
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True, but then the same could be said for the nonsense coming out of Cameron's mouth.

There are parallels with the Shadow Cabinet and the Syria debate, with the sincerity of the free vote being open to doubt.
 
Seeing a lot of posts on ye olde Facebook, about Cameron responding to a question in PMQ's with a comment about Corbyn's dress sense.

Feels rather similar to the sentiment of a lot of my fellow lefties, lately. There is a definite feeling of 'it's not fair, our guy is nice and honest and their guy isn't but is more popular'.

Not sure how this will work out. Not overly dissimilar to the tone that helped the SNP grow, very successfully, but I suspect without the tie in to national identity it won't do so well.
 
What's the saying
Dress for the job you want... Not the job you have.
If he wants to be pm then he needs to convince people he can be statesman like and represent the country
He currently looks like a geography teacher incapable of picking a jacket that fits him
So yeah it may be a little thing but if you cant be bothered to do your tie up and can't even pick a suit / jacket that fits your going to have a problem convincing a lot of people that your actually up to the job of running the country
 
sun_tzu said:
What's the saying
Dress for the job you want... Not the job you have.
If he wants to be pm then he needs to convince people he can be statesman like and represent the country
He currently looks like a geography teacher incapable of picking a jacket that fits him
So yeah it may be a little thing but if you cant be bothered to do your tie up and can't even pick a suit / jacket that fits your going to have a problem convincing a lot of people that your actually up to the job of running the country
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Cameron actually left his child behind in a pub
 
Boris is not blessed in the dressing department . No matter how expensive his suites may be.
 
I swear if that rude, entitled, ill-tempered mediocrity Cameron called a fellow MP a 'fat bastard', some on here would post: 'Well, Cameron's concerned critique of his colleague's BMI should be applauded - he's all heart. And his words upon the MP's illegitimacy shows the PM's celebration of the crucial role of the family unit in our society.'

FFS...Stop excusing the man - he's a chancer who, in better times, would be fortunate to even make the Conservative back-benches; even the hardcore Tory 'papers used to regularly mock his obvious lack of substance before he became Party leader. And besides, why on earth would he care about his opponent's dress sense? It benefits him and his Party if Corbyn is considered scruffy...so that lame excusing of Cameron's behaviour just doesn't cut it.
 
sun_tzu said:
What's the saying
Dress for the job you want... Not the job you have.
If he wants to be pm then he needs to convince people he can be statesman like and represent the country
He currently looks like a geography teacher incapable of picking a jacket that fits him
So yeah it may be a little thing but if you cant be bothered to do your tie up and can't even pick a suit / jacket that fits your going to have a problem convincing a lot of people that your actually up to the job of running the country
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No one gives a feck what he wears. When have you ever heard "Cameron's a ham-fisted dick head but at least he looks good in that suit."
 
I expect that if a more popular, well-liked Labour leader was in charge that some of the people who don't like Corbyn on this forum supported, then we'd see them saying that Cameron's comments were ridiculous, and distracting us from more important issues, instead of using it to bash Corbyn's dress sense.

It's not as if he's dressed that poorly, is it? I could understand if he was strolling into Parliament with an Adidas tracksuit, or a 2003 Chelsea away kit with Scott Parker on the back, but his dress sense is fine. Bit old-fashioned, but who really cares?
 
I spent the last five years complaining about him being mean at PMQs and naively thinking "the public won't like him for it!". One Tory majority later, I decided that they probably do.
 
Cheesy said:
I expect that if a more popular, well-liked Labour leader was in charge that some of the people who don't like Corbyn on this forum supported, then we'd see them saying that Cameron's comments were ridiculous, and distracting us from more important issues, instead of using it to bash Corbyn's dress sense.

It's not as if he's dressed that poorly, is it? I could understand if he was strolling into Parliament with an Adidas tracksuit, or a 2003 Chelsea away kit with Scott Parker on the back, but his dress sense is fine. Bit old-fashioned, but who really cares?
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Is this the man we want representing us around the world?
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You are bemoaning the triviality of this week's PMQs, by focusing almost entirely upon a quip about a politician's dress sense? Does that work?
 
sun_tzu said:
Is this the man we want representing us around the world?
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I couldn't give really a feck how he dresses. In fact, I don't see what the Casual Corbyn looks has to do with anything, considering it's probably not particularly comfortable to wear a suit while riding a bicycle.

I'll just leave this here...

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And while I'm certainly not suggesting that all MP's should turn up in work clothes, or that they shouldn't be wearing suits, I do think it makes the decent point that an impeccable dress sense should hardly be relevant when it comes to actual politics...and it's certainly not what the Labour party was founded on.
 
Ubik said:
I spent the last five years complaining about him being mean at PMQs and naively thinking "the public won't like him for it!". One Tory majority later, I decided that they probably do.
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Nah. He's seen as a posh git. Just preferable to a weirdo lefty whose dad might've hated Britain, propped up by an evil Scot.
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
Nah. He's seen as a posh git. Just preferable to a weirdo lefty whose dad might've hated Britain, propped up by an evil Scot.
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An element of truth, though the situation is now even worse.
 
Is this a Woosh moment?
 
Ubik said:
An element of truth, though the situation is now even worse.
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Potentially. We'll 'ave a better idea of that one after the elections. So far we just have opinion polls, which are a load of bollocks at times, as is another lesson from the referenced election.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
Is this a Woosh moment?
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Is it? I don't know. I dislike our concept of 'woosh' as I feel it mainly serves to be mean to the simple/tired/DOTA's of this world, when they fail to get a thing.

I mean, you can just use it whenever and it makes it look like you're really clever and someone else is very silly. Like I'm going to do now and even though I've promised it's not real, a part of you is still going to be desperately searching for a meaning that you could've possibly missed.

Woosh.
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
Potentially. We'll 'ave a better idea of that one after the elections. So far we just have opinion polls, which are a load of bollocks at times, as is another lesson from the referenced election.
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Trouble being, they were a load of bollocks as they underestimated the Tories, which is the historical trend. But yeah, May isn't too long.
 
Ubik said:
Trouble being, they were a load of bollocks as they underestimated the Tories, which is the historical trend. But yeah, May isn't too long.
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Also massively overstated the Lib Dems, in 2010... but yeah, definitely 'shy Tory' has been the biggest issue with polling in this country.
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
Also massively overstated the Lib Dems, in 2010... but yeah, definitely 'shy Tory' has been the biggest issue with polling in this country.
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Wonder if we'll see pollsters doing more to take it into account, after their majority. Certain polls in Scotland seem to be treating them very kindly, with whispers that they'll finish ahead of Scottish Labour, up to 5 potential constituency seats etc.
 
Cheesy said:
Wonder if we'll see pollsters doing more to take it into account, after their majority. Certain polls in Scotland seem to be treating them very kindly, with whispers that they'll finish ahead of Scottish Labour, up to 5 potential constituency seats etc.
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I think it is probably inevitable. People don't like looking silly, in their jobs. They will attempt to correct. That is liable to make for overcorrection.
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
Is it? I don't know. I dislike our concept of 'woosh' as I feel it mainly serves to be mean to the simple/tired/DOTA's of this world, when they fail to get a thing.

I mean, you can just use it whenever and it makes it look like you're really clever and someone else is very silly. Like I'm going to do now and even though I've promised it's not real, a part of you is still going to be desperately searching for a meaning that you could've possibly missed.

Woosh.
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...I wasn't sure if Ubik understood your sarcasm about the double standards people had between Captain Underpants and Ed Miliband, or if I was sure I had got it right o begin with. Hence the question.

You and I used to be like two peas in a pod, what happened bruv?
 
Mr Pigeon said:
...I wasn't sure if Ubik understood your sarcasm about the double standards people had between Captain Underpants and Ed Miliband, or if I was sure I had got it right o begin with. Hence the question.

You and I used to be like two peas in a pod, what happened bruv?
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I don't know, Pidgey. I've been having a difficult time with work, lately. When I look in the mirror I don't see the youthful face I used to. I'm going to go to my sister's for the weekend and have a think.
 
McDonnell is at least willing to get stuck in. Wish Corbyn showed some of that fight.
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Untied said:
McDonnell is at least willing to get stuck in. Wish Corbyn showed some of that fight.
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It's amazing how some people still think that this useless twat is trustworthy with the economy.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
It's amazing how some people still think that this useless twat is trustworthy with the economy.
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As opposed to somebody who lists fermenting the destruction of capitalist society as his hobbies and interest
I imagine if there was a credible alternative (rather than someone who quotes bloody Mao across the dispatch box) he would be getting a much tougher ride
 
sun_tzu said:
As opposed to somebody who lists fermenting the destruction of capitalist society as his hobbies and interest
I imagine if there was a credible alternative he would be getting a much tougher ride
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That's a very fair point, but it actually makes me even angrier. I hate that the whole argument can be boiled down to "he's shit, but he's the least shit option we've got".
 
Red Defence said:
Come on, face it, he's brilliant at taking money off the poor, vulnerable and disabled. I'm sure he'll manage to make everyone suffer even more.
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The dream is to have one big party where all of Giddy's friends can get together and eat lots of prole pie. Extra jobseekers with mine please!
 
sun_tzu said:
As opposed to somebody who lists fermenting the destruction of capitalist society as his hobbies and interest
I imagine if there was a credible alternative (rather than someone who quotes bloody Mao across the dispatch box) he would be getting a much tougher ride
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I think McDonnell has been better than Corbyn although the Mao moment was a huge political misstep (it should be noted he wasn't quoting him positively but in some bizarre attempt to label Osbourne a Maoist).

He's been pretty upfront in interviews at dealing with the parts of his past that might be politically problematic.

I think McDonnell will be economically vindicated over the next 5 years (austerity is not and will not be a success). Whether this will do anything for Labour politically is another matter.

And finally… :angel:

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