Four years is hardly a suitable rehabilitation period after thirteen in power, particularly with so many of the old faces in prominent posts. They should be dead in the water as opposed to contenders.
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Four years is hardly a suitable rehabilitation period after thirteen in power, particularly with so many of the old faces in prominent posts. They should be dead in the water as opposed to contenders.
Everyone's forgotten about Brown/Blair - the Cameron/Osborne/Clegg
clusterfeck is top of mind.
And the Tories have got straight back on the lash right after their time in opposition "detoxing", making everyone remember why they hated them in the first place.
The next election is going to be strange, with the three main parties all fairly unpopular.
Libs are fecked - half their votes are gone with the 'didn't vote Lib to get Tory' factor. Tories are fecked over Osborne's inept handling of the economy. Labour just have to not feck up to get back in.
Contradictory as that consequence may be, you are no doubt right.
There's still enough time for Cameron to nullify that somewhat, and i'm assuming we'll have the TV debates again? Who knows what they'll turn up [except for Clegg repeating his earlier triumph that is].
Another hung parliament seems a deserved outcome for the country, albeit with not even a Lab-Lib coalition having the numbers to form a majority government.
And what feck ups would these be?
Budget cuts that have to happen? There's not been a whole lot wrong with this government other than communicating what they are doing.
Probably that sort of...recession we're currently in. And that they'll likely miss their deficit targets. They can shout "eurozone" till they're blue in the face but after they shifted the blame on to Labour last time round, they'll be getting a taste of it themselves next time.
Whilst i agree that the Euroznoen crisis isn't going to fly as a mitigating factor with a sizeable portion of the electorate [even if accurate up to a point], i just want to clarify that you're not suggesting that Labour were blameless? Not much shifting required.
Cameron and co have more than enough question marks however, and not restricted to economic policy IMO.
Ed about to make his big speech, nearly missed it seeing as i thought it was tomorrow.
Considering how much your typical Lib Dem supporter bangs on about electoral reform and PR, it is a bit fecking stupid for those same people to get so pissed off about the party forming a coalition government with the party that won the most votes. If we had PR we would have a lot more coalitions, meaning a vote for Lib Dems would be a vote for the party represented in some form of coalition, be that with the Tories, Labour or whoever else.
If the party felt it could only go into coalition with Labour, there is no point in having a separate party.
The TV debates will prove massive this time around. Cameron will absolutely destroy Miliband. This is why, regardless of whether it's morally right or not, political parties can't afford to appoint nerds as leaders, no matter their ability.
I'm not your friend Ed.
ETA: Mild bit of piss take out of Mitt Romney there and a pleasant enough opening, even if i don't plan on voting for him.
ETA: Mild bit of piss take out of Mitt Romney there and a pleasant enough opening, even if i don't plan on voting for him.
Oh so true, it's as if these Lib Dem voters don't quite grasp one of their party's most fundamental policies.
A bit disingenuous from Ed there in his comments about petrol prices and utility bills.
Latest YouGov/The Sun results 1st October - CON 34%, LAB 43%, LD 9%, UKIP 8%; APP -37
Labour must've bulk bought some waffle irons in preparation for this speech.
Great stuff from Miliband so far.
It's dire. He seems to think he's some kind of working class hero.
Cameron couldn't manage to best Brown, he'll be just as shite against Milliband
What infuriates me most is how he goes on about being born in an NHS hospital and going to his local state school. How was Cameron supposed to affect that? How is that his fault? He's absolutely obsessed with making himself sound like a common man when he isn't. How could anyone vote for this idiot?
Another throw away slogan.One Nation.
Well the Tories have thrown it away, that's for sure.
Cameron's has no responsibility for his upbringing, but his upbringing does mean that he cannot possibly appreciate what it means to be an ordinary working or middle class person in Britain. He doesn't understand things like state education, the NHS, social mobility in the same way that most people do.
A lot of people weren't state educated but have a pretty good concept of what it entails. You can be a restaurant critic without owning a restaurant. It's a pretty lazy argument. I bet most politicians of all parties have a pretty good idea of how public services are run regardless of whether they use them themselves.
You reckon? Although Clegg trounced the both of them.
Could Miliband offer up some policy ideas during this?
An education policy, happy?
It's not just about private education vs state education. Most people in private education are middle class. Cameron came from an upper class family of millionaires and is about as detached from ordinary people in Britain as is possible. It's perfectly legitimate to point this out when his policies are reflecting this. And it's not just about Cameron, it's about his government as a whole. It's the most socio-economically detached government in decades.
There's nothing wrong with someone of Cameron's background entering politics and rising to prime minister, if he's the best person for the job.
What would be very wrong is if a hefty chunk of his cabinet had the same background, simply because they could not possibly all be the best people for the job, unless that job was fooling the voters.
Does One Nation stop applying to an individual once they earn a certain amount? 
Sorry, was it not Labour who messed around with vocational qualifications during their time in office?
He alludes to petrol prices yet i don't hear him saying that he would take a chunk out of fuel duty. Or that utility bills will have to rise to fund renewables.
Engage with Europe? Doest that mean sign up to anything the Merkel and Barosso propose?
Gang masters aided by their immigration neglect of immigrants over a decade.
The hypocrisy to some of this is astounding. No decent opposition on show at present.
Sorry, was it not Labour who messed around with vocational qualifications during their time in office?
He alludes to petrol prices yet i don't hear him saying that he would take a chunk out of fuel duty. Or that utility bills will have to rise to fund renewables.
Engage with Europe? Doest that mean sign up to anything the Merkel and Barosso propose?
Gang masters aided by their immigration neglect of immigrants over a decade.
The hypocrisy to some of this is astounding. No decent opposition on show at present.
You don't have to be part of a group to understand its wishes/needs. I fully understand that the minimum wage exists for a reason even if I'm not on it personally. Let's turn this around - the middle class are bigger than ever. Should we allow a government which consists mainly of very working-class people? Do they understand the wishes of the middle class?
Miliband hates waste? Oh this is too much.
Milliband just does not come over as convincing to me in this speech.I was one who preferred him over his brother but i feel they need to ditch him.
Does One Nation stop applying to an individual once they earn a certain amount?
Do you support a flat tax?
In summary it was well enough done during theopening third, however the policy platform was light and unconvincing.
If a working class government failed to address the concerns of the middle class, I'm sure you'd be the first to point this out with reference to their backgrounds.
They're very vague economically which is going to be the crux of the next election so eventually they're going to have to say exactly what they're going to do or the Tories will use that uncertainty for political gain.
Labour have been clever to try and go along with a few things Gove is saying whilst trying to do him down at the same time. I think everyone across all three major parties knows he's right but they're trying hard not to agree.
Labour have been clever to try and go along with a few things Gove is saying whilst trying to do him down at the same time. I think everyone across all three major parties knows he's right but they're trying hard not to agree.
It all depends on how it impacts on policy - helping your own and forgetting about the others. My view is that this government's lack of compassion for the poor is massively over-stated.
Oh please, a single 3 hour exam to decide your fate at 16 is a ludicrous way to test peoples ability, and how is that in anyway a reflection of real work?
It isn't, but it's the best way there is. Gove's a very impressive character. Fiercely intelligent.
Its no more vauge then any oppositions platform 2 years out from an election
Come on, it's ridiculous. It's a massive issue and the basis of the next election and they clearly haven't a clue about what they're going to do. At least admit it and say that you're working on it, as opposed to just pretending it's not a problem.