Politics at Westminster | BREAKING: UKIP

Phurry said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29751124



UKIP must think Christmas came early
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Indeed... Though I'm not sure exactly what Cameron expects when he tries unsuccessfully to get the eu president banned from his job
And then says he is going to get rid of free movement
I think in reality to get any negotiation the other eu members will want to put the uk rebates and opt outs on the table which will be a non starter for Cameron
In short he is fecked and the outcome could be farrage or Boris in power... What a scary thought Boris on the button!
 
Actually looking at the figures they are asking quite a lot mor (per person) from the Dutch
With big rebates to France and Germany... This could be interesting as there is quite a eurosceptic movement in holland as well
 
sun_tzu said:
Actually looking at the figures they are asking quite a lot mor (per person) from the Dutch
With big rebates to France and Germany... This could be interesting as there is quite a eurosceptic movement in holland as well
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What usually happens with Mark Rutte is a refusal to conform, lots of wind and piss, then he conforms because at the end of the day, we're all in this together and we are all part of the EU.

It is purely a punishment for those economies that have performed better than expected so now we all have to pay for Greece, spain and france.

I for one do not get this EU lark
 
Stanley Road said:
What usually happens with Mark Rutte is a refusal to conform, lots of wind and piss, then he conforms because at the end of the day, we're all in this together and we are all part of the EU.

It is purely a punishment for those economies that have performed better than expected so now we all have to pay for Greece, spain and france.

I for one do not get this EU lark
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Apparently Greece actually have to pay some money too :lol: You couldn't make this shit up.
 
If the UK did not pay it would eventually be threatened with expulsion and punitive sanctions that would plunge it into it's biggest depression ever. Yes, I know this would damage other states too, but nowhere near as much as the UK. If it takes that pain to keep their European dream a reality, then that is what France and Germany will do. After all, they will have the UK to blame.

Cameron is doing what he has always done, trying to put his problem back to a later date. Talking tough now to stave off the immediate criticism, with no plan whatsoever of how to deal with it in the long run.

The UK will pay, all Cameron's efforts now will be to put it off for as long as possible,
 
712 said:
If the UK did not pay it would eventually be threatened with expulsion and punitive sanctions that would plunge it into it's biggest depression ever. Yes, I know this would damage other states too, but nowhere near as much as the UK. If it takes that pain to keep their European dream a reality, then that is what France and Germany will do. After all, they will have the UK to blame.

Cameron is doing what he has always done, trying to put his problem back to a later date. Talking tough now to stave off the immediate criticism, with no plan whatsoever of how to deal with it in the long run.

The UK will pay, all Cameron's efforts now will be to put it off for as long as possible,
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It's an enormous quandary as far as Europe is concerned. Brussels know that if it dares to throw sanctions at the UK, the result will be that anti-EU sentiment in Britain will reach an all time high and the likelihood will be that the UK will walk away from the EU, throwing the whole European project into crisis.
 
So Cable wants banks to promise not to close branches if theirs is the last bank in town.

Thus inviting all banks to get their branches shut first so as not to be the last one in town.

His little soundbite probably won't achieve anything at all of course, but if it did, then it would be to accelerate the closures, not reduce them.
 
sun_tzu said:
Seems the rebate may be in question if he does
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/eu-commissioner-surprised-camerons-reaction-eu-bill-120943983--sector.html
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That is what is so ridiculous here. You're already getting a monstrous rebate. Cameron goes to Bruxelles, has calm and rational discussions about the bill, then as soon as he hears a British paper might do a story on it, he pre empts them by holding a pc where he can shout and slam his fist like an angry child to appease the tabloids back home.

Awful populism.
 
B20 said:
That is what is so ridiculous here. You're already getting a monstrous rebate. Cameron goes to Bruxelles, has calm and rational discussions about the bill, then as soon as he hears a British paper might do a story on it, he pre empts them by holding a pc where he can shout and slam his fist like an angry child to appease the tabloids back home.

Awful populism.
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yes its quite pathetic and the sums in question in the grand scheme of things are quite small 1.7bn as a one of payment for what is it 5 years underpayments - so about .35bn a year from a tax paying population of around 60 million or to put it another way about £6 per tax payer or less than a tenth of the tax the government gets each time I fill my car up - just bloody pay it I say because its feck all in the big scheme
 
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...rty-televised-leader-debates-general-election
The BBC has rejected a demand from the Green party to be included in the proposed TV leader election debates, saying that it, unlike Ukip, has not demonstrated any substantial increase in support.

The broadcasters have proposed three debates, one including Ukip, the Liberal Democrats, Labour and the Conservatives, a second involving the Lib Dems, Labour and the Conservatives, and finally one between Ed Miliband and David Cameron.

The Green Party was infuriated that they had been excluded and won support in online petitions.

The BBC, in a letter to the Green party director of communications Penny Kemp, said: “Ukip has demonstrated a substantial increase in electoral support since 2014 across a range of elections along with a consistent and robust trend across a full range of opinion polls; the Green party has not demonstrated any comparable increase in support in either elections or opinion polls.

“The performance in elections of the Greens in relation to the Liberal Democrats has been mainly the result of the decrease in support for the latter as opposed to a significant increase in support for the Green party; opinion polls do not as yet demonstrate that the Greens have drawn level with the Liberal Democrats.

“Even if they did, we would still, of course, be taking as our starting point the result of the 2010 general election, where the Lib Dems took more than 50 seats and 23% share of the vote, demonstrating a level of electoral support overall substantially ahead of the Green party.”

The letter goes on to say that the BBC “will continue to keep any new evidence of increased support for the Green party under close review” and that if the debate proposal is successful, the BBC would be “offering appropriate opportunities to other political parties – including the Green party – to ensure that the BBC’s election coverage does satisfy the overarching obligation of due impartiality across the UK”.

Natalie Bennett, Green party leader, said: “The BBC in its reference to polling data for the Green party and the Liberal Democrats would seem to be concentrating too much on past performance rather than looking at current interest in the Greens.

“Leading pollster Peter Kellner’s recent piece, Ukip, the Greens and the new politics of protest, gives a more realistic picture of where the Greens are currently on the political landscape.

“We are concerned over the statement beginning ‘we would still … be taking as our starting point the result of the 2010 general election’. This demonstrates very clearly how the BBC appears to be acting as a worrying brake on democratic change; I believe they are failing to grasp that the future of politics doesn’t look like the past.

“In 2010 there was still a widespread belief that an economic recovery would see our economy and society continue much as before. But more people are recognising every day that the business as usual approach to economics, society, environment and politics is now untenable.

“This BBC attitude is contributing dangerously to the buildup of frustration and disillusionment with politics in the UK. We have seen nearly 200,000 people sign a petition demanding that Greens be included in the leaders’ debates based on natural justice and fairness.”
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I like the idea a lot. Probably never happen of course.
 
Good for her. Terrible and cringeworthy acting from him with his little 'angry' speech. Aside from all that - what a terrible attitude to have and project to the people of a country you're meant to be leading - if you don't like something throw your toys out the pram and behave like a big baby, even though we're fully obliged to pay it and you would imagine fully aware of how these things are quantified. I really can't stand that cnut.
 
Vidic_In_Moscow said:
Good for her. Terrible and cringeworthy acting from him with his little 'angry' speech. Aside from all that - what a terrible attitude to have and project to the people of a country you're meant to be leading - if you don't like something throw your toys out the pram and behave like a big baby, even though we're fully obliged to pay it and you would imagine fully aware of how these things are quantified. I really can't stand that cnut.
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I'm getting the impression that the rest of the EU is kind of bored of Britain's stalling here and on similar issues regarding the EU. They're not going to bow to any new terms we may not, and they're certainly not going to beg us to stay if the possibility of us leaving becomes more apparent.
 
Cheesy said:
I'm getting the impression that the rest of the EU is kind of bored of Britain's stalling here and on similar issues regarding the EU. They're not going to bow to any new terms we may not, and they're certainly not going to beg us to stay if the possibility of us leaving becomes more apparent.
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This whole idea of a renegotiation is a nonsense stalling tactic from Cameron I think, especially when you're trying to change fundamental principles like free movement. I think I'm right in saying that Merkel tried to stop Greece leaving the Euro as they were/are in crisis so she's not going to allow us a new deal.
 
Drifter said:
And so it begins

Ed Miliband 'facing calls to quit'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29935172
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You know what if Cameron was facing Rachel Reeves at the dispach box I dont think he would know what to do
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Reeves
Oxford Graduate PPE
MSC from London Shool of Economics
Worked as an economist for Bank of England and then British Embassy in Washington
Turned down a job at Goldman Sachs to be an MP
She was not closely associated with Blair or Brown so that attack is out
I think she would (in a very calm way) run rings round him on the economy + switching to NHS just plays into Labour hands (and too much on immigration into UKIP's)
Also if Cameron shouted and belittled a woman the way he does to Ed he would be cited as a sexist bully and it would play very badly.
Seriously I think she would probably give labour the boost they need to get a majority - but I cant see Ed stepping down (until after a bad election result)
 
The right of Labour are too cowardly to do it this close to the election. The pathetic attempts to oust Brown in the last days of the last government were embarrassing, if they wanted to oust Ed they should've done it years ago.
 
What are the odds that one of these MPs who are said to have challenged Miliband, are responsible for a Scottish constituency?

The way matters are progressing another hung parliament seems to be increasingly likely, although producing a more muddled and less durable coalition than the one at present.


sun_tzu said:
You know what if Cameron was facing Rachel Reeves at the dispach box I dont think he would know what to do
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Reeves
Oxford Graduate PPE
MSC from London Shool of Economics
Worked as an economist for Bank of England and then British Embassy in Washington
Turned down a job at Goldman Sachs to be an MP
She was not closely associated with Blair or Brown so that attack is out
I think she would (in a very calm way) run rings round him on the economy + switching to NHS just plays into Labour hands (and too much on immigration into UKIP's)
Also if Cameron shouted and belittled a woman the way he does to Ed he would be cited as a sexist bully and it would play very badly.
Seriously I think she would probably give labour the boost they need to get a majority - but I cant see Ed stepping down (until after a bad election result)
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http://www.lbc.co.uk/shadow-pensions-sec-doesnt-know-how-much-pension-is-97490


Whilst it is indeed true that Cameron would need to modify his conduct in PMQs and such, and certainly no repeated sue of "calm down", i can't say that i have ever found her to be particularly impressive as a political figure [arrogant or indifferent in fact].
 
Ubik said:
The right of Labour are too cowardly to do it this close to the election. The pathetic attempts to oust Brown in the last days of the last government were embarrassing, if they wanted to oust Ed they should've done it years ago.
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You can see why they might eb reticent now, nobody wants to appear in disarray and be absorbed by internal debates this close to an election.

An i'm not sure that even his brother would be charging off into the distance with an unassailable lead, parties are not simply lacking convincing characters but strong and visionary political agendas.
 
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