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DiseaseOfTheAge said:
I think the idea that whilst a bit wound up David Cameron let his tact slip seems much more likely.

I don't actually see how it works, in this instance. People are still talking just as much about Google (and indeed bedroom tax).
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Yeah I'd like to think that as well.

Although I was in the local barber shop today and the story came on the radio and one man seemed to completely agree with old porky pusher Dave shouting at the radio ''Well what are they then'' after the news broadcaster had repeated what Cameron said (''Bunch of migrants'').
 
Red Defence said:
Brilliant result for the poor folk affected by this ridiculous and poorly thought out money-grabbing scheme from Oscam.
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Well a brilliant result for women who have panic rooms fitted due to stalkers / domestic violence (several hundred people UK wide they said on five live)
And parents of disabled kids who need extra accommodation for overnight carers (a couple of thousand people)
Both seem reasonable exemptions (and indeed both these cases received interim funding pending the judgement) but the overall scope of the policy in its broad sense remains unchanged
 
This all sounds a bit petty from Khan.

Addressing a rally on Tuesday for the Conservative mayoral candidate, Zac Goldsmith, David Cameron told voters in the capital that they would be “lab rats in the first Corbyn economic experiment in public life” if Khan were elected in May.

Responding to the remarks, Khan tweeted:

'I’m shocked the PM described Londoners as ‘rats’. I love this city and the people who live here. Desperate stuff from a desperate campaign.'

Asked to clarify the prime minister’s comments, a spokesperson for Cameron said: “Well, I’m shocked at how desperate Sadiq Khan is. What the PM actually said was that we didn’t want Londoners to be treated as lab rats in a Corbyn experiment.
“So it would be helpful if Sadiq Khan actually looked at what the PM said and didn’t issue hysterical tweets.”

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jan/27/no-10-hysterical-sadiq-khan-london-lab-rats
 
sun_tzu said:
Well a brilliant result for women who have panic rooms fitted due to stalkers / domestic violence (several hundred people UK wide they said on five live)
And parents of disabled kids who need extra accommodation for overnight carers (a couple of thousand people)
Both seem reasonable exemptions (and indeed both these cases received interim funding pending the judgement) but the overall scope of the policy in its broad sense remains unchanged
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Not to mention disabled adults (the case is yet to be heard) and all of the other cases pending.

It hardly seems sensible to keep the policy at all, especially when you take into account that there isn't enough single bed accomodation to allow many two bed tenants to move anyway.
 
Jippy said:
This all sounds a bit petty from Khan.

Addressing a rally on Tuesday for the Conservative mayoral candidate, Zac Goldsmith, David Cameron told voters in the capital that they would be “lab rats in the first Corbyn economic experiment in public life” if Khan were elected in May.

Responding to the remarks, Khan tweeted:

'I’m shocked the PM described Londoners as ‘rats’. I love this city and the people who live here. Desperate stuff from a desperate campaign.'

Asked to clarify the prime minister’s comments, a spokesperson for Cameron said: “Well, I’m shocked at how desperate Sadiq Khan is. What the PM actually said was that we didn’t want Londoners to be treated as lab rats in a Corbyn experiment.
“So it would be helpful if Sadiq Khan actually looked at what the PM said and didn’t issue hysterical tweets.”

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jan/27/no-10-hysterical-sadiq-khan-london-lab-rats
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It's getting to the stage where Cameron can't speak without someone pulling him up on a word he uses. I do wish they wouldn't, I'm finding it quite annoying and then end up defending him.
 
Jippy said:
This all sounds a bit petty from Khan.

Addressing a rally on Tuesday for the Conservative mayoral candidate, Zac Goldsmith, David Cameron told voters in the capital that they would be “lab rats in the first Corbyn economic experiment in public life” if Khan were elected in May.

Responding to the remarks, Khan tweeted:

'I’m shocked the PM described Londoners as ‘rats’. I love this city and the people who live here. Desperate stuff from a desperate campaign.'

Asked to clarify the prime minister’s comments, a spokesperson for Cameron said: “Well, I’m shocked at how desperate Sadiq Khan is. What the PM actually said was that we didn’t want Londoners to be treated as lab rats in a Corbyn experiment.
“So it would be helpful if Sadiq Khan actually looked at what the PM said and didn’t issue hysterical tweets.”

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jan/27/no-10-hysterical-sadiq-khan-london-lab-rats
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At least he didn't call them a bunch of lab rats.
 
There seems to be an epidemic of faux outrage among politicians. It's pathetic.
 
Red Defence said:
It's getting to the stage where Cameron can't speak without someone pulling him up on a word he uses. I do wish they wouldn't, I'm finding it quite annoying and then end up defending him.
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Hardly just Cameron. Pretty much any major politician.
 
Ubik said:
Nah that whole segment was scripted, he even looked awkward whilst saying it in a way that you don't when you're saying stuff in the heat of the moment.

BBC are doing a good job of staying on Google, but a quick look at the homepages of the Guardian and the Times and the main headline is stuff about migrants, with Google relegated elsewhere.
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BBC radio news led with some economic experts lauding this new tax agreement that we are signed up for, using words like 'revolutionary'. I think Corbyn's Google plan failed miserably. The 'bunch of migrants' comment seemed scripted to me too, he has to throw those UKIP'ers a bone every now and then. I also thought it was crass of Cooper to bring the holocaust into it, there is just no need to.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
BBC radio news led with some economic experts lauding this new tax agreement that we are signed up for, using words like 'revolutionary'. I think Corbyn's Google plan failed miserably. The 'bunch of migrants' comment seemed scripted to me too, he has to throw those UKIP'ers a bone every now and then. I also thought it was crass of Cooper to bring the holocaust into it, there is just no need to.
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Disagree, personally. At least, I think I do - I don't actually know what she's said - but assuming she merely pointed out the uncomfortable nature of talking about holocaust memorial day one moment and using a phrase dehumanising to a large group of people (in my view) the next, then I think that's a fair point.
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
Disagree, personally. At least, I think I do - I don't actually know what she's said - but assuming she merely pointed out the uncomfortable nature of talking about holocaust memorial day one moment and using a phrase dehumanising to a large group of people (in my view) the next, then I think that's a fair point.
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You have a point.

However, Frontex, the border agency supposedly estimate that 60% of migrants are not refugees. It will be hard to garner widespread sympathy for the migrants when figures like that are being banded about. I blame Merkel, she was stupid in the extreme opening the borders in the way she did. Now genuine refugees are going to find getting asylum a lot harder than they would have done. I don't think that any amount of holocaust analogies is going to change that.

I must add that I thought Cameron's comments were grim as I do believe they were scripted with specific political intent.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
BBC radio news led with some economic experts lauding this new tax agreement that we are signed up for, using words like 'revolutionary'. I think Corbyn's Google plan failed miserably. The 'bunch of migrants' comment seemed scripted to me too, he has to throw those UKIP'ers a bone every now and then. I also thought it was crass of Cooper to bring the holocaust into it, there is just no need to.
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Classical Mechanic said:
However, Frontex, the border agency supposedly estimate that 60% of migrants are not refugees. It will be hard to garner widespread sympathy for the migrants when figures like that are being banded about. I blame Merkel, she was stupid in the extreme opening the borders in the way she did. Now genuine refugees are going to find getting asylum a lot harder than they would have done. I don't think that any amount of holocaust analogies is going to change that.

I must add that I thought Cameron's comments were grim as I do believe they were scripted with specific political intent.
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Good posts.
 
I don't really know much about business but my instinct is to assume Murdoch has motive beyond his 'love of fair play'.

Are News Corp and Google competitors?
 
Drifter said:
'Bedroom tax': Government loses Court of Appeal cases

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35418488
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Good news. Neither of these cases should ever have reached court in the first place, and it can only reflect poorly upon the DWP that they did so; either ministers so callous and unthinking that the simplest of computer programmes could replace them, or such ham-fisted conformity is evidence of their incompetence. Ultimate responsibility lies with IDS, and he should be brought before the pertinent select-committee to explain himself.



Jippy said:
This all sounds a bit petty from Khan.

Addressing a rally on Tuesday for the Conservative mayoral candidate, Zac Goldsmith, David Cameron told voters in the capital that they would be “lab rats in the first Corbyn economic experiment in public life” if Khan were elected in May.

Responding to the remarks, Khan tweeted:

'I’m shocked the PM described Londoners as ‘rats’. I love this city and the people who live here. Desperate stuff from a desperate campaign.'

Asked to clarify the prime minister’s comments, a spokesperson for Cameron said: “Well, I’m shocked at how desperate Sadiq Khan is. What the PM actually said was that we didn’t want Londoners to be treated as lab rats in a Corbyn experiment.
“So it would be helpful if Sadiq Khan actually looked at what the PM said and didn’t issue hysterical tweets.”

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jan/27/no-10-hysterical-sadiq-khan-london-lab-rats
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It casts doubt on Khan's trustworthiness (and maturity some might suggest) from an early stage. Evidently campaigning has become rather nasty, which with so few Londoners barely paying it any heed at this point, seems totally unnecessary.

The Corbyn angle does have the potential to produce a positive for Goldsmith, provided that it isn't over done. I would advise he focus on the unions and the prospect of the RMT having a friend at court, for though London is a better hunting ground for Labour commuters make up a sizeable proportion of the electorate.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
The Corbyn angle does have the potential to produce a positive for Goldsmith, provided that it isn't over done.
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I can't decide on that one... London is probably where Corbyn is most popular.
 
Then again, everything is relative.
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
I don't really know much about business but my instinct is to assume Murdoch has motive beyond his 'love of fair play'.

Are News Corp and Google competitors?
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Yes. Advertising is an important part of both of their business models and there is only a finite amount of advertising spend.
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
I can't decide on that one... London is probably where Corbyn is most popular.
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Whilst that it is probably true particularly in Islington, the voters who will ultimately decide the outcome are i suspect of a more moderate, non-aligned disposition. Boris and the Tories have been in office for two terms though, so people might just fancy a change.

Turnout has commonly been in the 30s, although a highly unpopular Ken Livingstone did see it spike to 45% in 2008.

There will be at least one TV debate if memory serves.
 
Not really Westminster as it's Holyrood related, but this gambit on tax by Scottish Labour is interesting. Pledges to raise income tax are always likely to be electorally toxic, but I suppose they're on a hiding to nothing anyway, so why not call out some SNP bullshit on the way? I suppose because the risk is you'll then finish behind the Tories. Oh well!
 
Ubik said:
Not really Westminster as it's Holyrood related, but this gambit on tax by Scottish Labour is interesting. Pledges to raise income tax are always likely to be electorally toxic, but I suppose they're on a hiding to nothing anyway, so why not call out some SNP bullshit on the way? I suppose because the risk is you'll then finish behind the Tories. Oh well!
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It's a politically interesting move. And even as someone who thinks Scottish Labour have been an embarrassment in the past couple of years, I feel like a lot of SNP supporters I'm seeing on Twitter etc are automatically dismissing this policy when they'd probably be praising the very same idea if it was coming from the SNP. I mean, on the face of it, it's a pretty progressive, left-wing idea; raising taxes in order to presumably fund public services, and thus prevent cuts.

I'd say the main problem though is the issue surrounding devolution/Scotland's block grant. A lot of Scots believe that the new plans will lead to a cut in our block grant, and also feel that Labour's failure to stand up against that means this sort of policy is only going to further punish Scots. It's an interesting idea though, but whether they'll stick to it, and whether they've fully planned for it/have it costed is another matter.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
An income tax rise across all bands, is that correct?
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Indeed, with those earning between 10k-20k getting a form of rebate (a bit like tax credits but in much blunter form). An issue being that this rebate can spring up some clearly unfair results depending on family makeup. In reality though, it's not so much a policy proposal as an attempt to shine a light on the emperor's new clothes. As Cheesy says, though, if the consequences haven't been fully thought through it could rebound even on that aim.
 




A local councillor prior to his election victory last year, i don't know if we have any Sheffield natives on the forum who can offer some form of local insight?

It is a very safe Labour seat, there;ll no drama come the eventual by-election.
 
Ah feck, that's way too young. Former miner too, you don't want to be losing those voices from the PLP even in the best of circumstances.
 
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