There is nobody you can bring in this season who will be able to turn things around with Woodward still playing FM 2019
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
French journalist saying Blanc has been contacted.
Hopefully not true. Complete average manager, watched him under PSG and was never convinced with him and it says a lot he ceased to exist after getting sacked there.
Why don't we contact Jardim ffs ?
Hard to believe zidane would instantly gain the respect of the players where mourinho failed - mourinho probably had the best resume in world football bar 1 season at Chelsea
Its Zinedine fecking Zidane,mate.
I would run through brick-walls playing under,arguably,the best player I've seen live.
Footballers born in the late 80's and the 90's would've grown up idolising Zidane, especially the likes of Pogba and Martial. That has more clout than anything you can do as a manager.
We don't need to get a permanent manager now, unless it's the right person who ticks all the boxes. The problem is the higher ups haven't yet figured out their vision is for the club, so how can we go down that path? Get an interim manager and sort ourselves out in the meantime imho.
Zidane is a football legend, Jose was a non-league defender.
Meh. At least he won't be morbid and boring
Honestly I'd love Big Sam as an interim just for curiosities sake, see what he would do. Prefer Keano though.
Blanc would be a solid interim appointment
Surely that Blanc story can't be true. I know it's silly to get worked up over these stories (which are probably bullshit) but feck me, i'm really worried about our next appointment.
So all the Zidane rumours were smokescreen for Blanc lol Interesting move by United if its true..
But he is going to be a manager not a footballer ?
He's also the only manager to win three champions leagues in a row. You're not winning this argument.
Pulis? He'd sort the defending out at least.
I'm saying it's hard to believe that it's a given that zidane gets this set of players respect when mourinho couldn't given that mourinho has indisputably the more impressive managerial record.
This conversation reminds me of the ones with people who guaranteed me both lvg and mourinho would be successful at United
That's where Mou failed though, he asked Ramos, among other players, that you've gotta pass/shoot it like this and that, while he is a nobody in terms of actual techniques etc., he couldn't command the respect of many elite players... while with ZZ it was quite the opposite, instant respect, be it on the training ground or football pitch, and his success as a manager only added to it, so he could back it up all the way.
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As an outsider I would like to see Eddie Howe (currently Bournemouth).
He has done very well at the places he’s been, great team builder and with a great style of football.
IMO we need to stop acting like a Galactico club like Real Madrid. That is not the values this club was built on. I might be naive, but we need a long term manager with a long term focus.
Let’s get back to basics!
He has done very well at the places he’s been, great team builder and with a great style of football.
IMO we need to stop acting like a Galactico club like Real Madrid. That is not the values this club was built on. I might be naive, but we need a long term manager with a long term focus.
Let’s get back to basics!
I'd give Eddie Howe a go. People seem to underestimate his achievement with Bournemouth. In eight years he's turned a League 2 team into one of the top 15 teams in the country. You don't do that without being great at the job. He's exactly the profile of manager Utd need right now; Young, talented, English, PL experience. A German manager with that sort of profile would certainly be getting eyed up by the big teams over there, yet the top English teams prefer to ignore the talent in front of them and go with the usual suspects. Spurs at least took chance on Pochettino, and have been well rewarded for it. Howe could be around for a decade if it worked out.
Being the most successful manager in the game in past 3 years + perfect CV no other managers can match? (3 CL won with less than 3 years managerial experience, plus league title, super cups and CWC etc)
Let's not forget Howe tried his luck at Burnley and had a shocker.His teams definately play the right way but you just never know do you.
I wasn't that sold on Howe when he was mentioned here, but he might be good for us too.
Every new manager is a gamble. I just think the long term payoff if Howe worked out would be greater than most and I don't think it's significantly more risky than the alternative options. His budget team are sitting 6 points ahead of us, just put 4 past Watford away. We've only managed that total in 1 game in 2018, against Yeovil. All the evidence for me points to him being able to improve us and I've seen very little evidence to convince me about most of the other candidates.
Zidane is the best choice
yeah not as good cv as mourinho when he arrived at united as i said
Mourinho final year in Chelsea was shockingly terrible.
Anyone but Giggs and Zidane.
regardless
We’ll need to go with a caretaker for the season now. The attitude of this set of players would ruin any manager. There’s no point in hoping for anyone to come in and do anything more than keep us midtable. We have no team, just a bunch of entitled, overpaid individuals.
As the token AFCB fan I'll add these few thoughts on Howe.
1. Please don't take him. No really. Please. I'll come around and do your washing up. For a month.
2. It's true we can get caught out at the back sometimes but that comes from taking the decision to set up the whole team to play on the front foot. Some managers set up their teams to get points by first and foremost preventing goals, he tries to get them by scoring them. That's not telling you anything you don't know. There are a couple of other things to take into account though. Even with a PL budget, the quality of players we can recruit isn't anywhere near at the same as the quality of you can get. How many goals last season would have been prevented it we'd had, for example, Kante sitting at the base of the midfield instead of Surman? Secondly, teams will often have identified us as a team they can get points against and so will be more likely to try and attack us. Against you, many teams will be more likely set up to try and defend so I think the basic tactical differences would mean many teams don't have the same numbers going forward. I think this would be so much less of a problem when managing you than us.
3. He evolves. In L1 we sold Marvin Bartley. Former window fitter and lower league destructive footballing force. Proper old school player. We were all waiting for a replacement 'ball winner' but Howe set his stall out that he wanted a 'Carrick' type sitting at the base of the midfield and stuck with it even when we thought he was mad. He proved the fans wrong by sticking to the principle of wanting an effective passer there and brought us to being a mid-table PL side with that. None of this 'you must play effective if ugly football to get up/stay up'. Almost nobody predicted that we'd go down this season in the previews. Think about that for a moment. We're AFC Bournemouth. It's mental. At least I think so! Having confounded us by insisting on no ball winner, he's tweaked the tactics again for this season and, just at the point when finally almost nobody was calling for it, has gone out and bought a ball winner in Lerma. Early days but he looks a beast and, without wanting to to get carried away, may just mean we achieve a record finish this season with this new set-up.
Everyone thinks he plays 4-4-2 and that's it and that's such a simplistic analysis of how he sets up the team I would disregard it. Through games he's constantly changing the set-up to adapt. Nothing you wouldn't expect from a top level manager but sometimes it gets lost in the 'his teams play 4-4-2' summary. For example, on Monday he took off a winger and brought on a CM to wrestle back control of the game from Palace. The game went from all us in the first half to all them to back to us after that sub.
4. He backs his players. If a player makes a gaff trying to play the passing game out from the back that he wants us to play then he will always take the blame for that himself saying it's his decision to play like that, not the players mistake. It must help to mindset of the players to not be afraid that they'll be publically lambasted for making an error. Let's be honest, we lose points every season from players doing exactly that but it wins us points as well.
5. The transfer record I've covered elsewhere but it actually stacks up pretty darn well when you look at the reason behind each signing and what it achieved. ie Afobe/Grabban (often mentioned) bought to keep us up when Wilson had done his cruciate. Objective achieved and fees not far short of being fully recouped when sold on. Sometimes players are bought for the long term, sometimes they're bought for the here-and-now as was the case with those two.
6. He failed at Burnley. There's definitely some bad feeling amongst some Burnley fans about his time there but if you look at the rebuilding he did he put in a lot of foundations for Dyche. SD then made some brilliant signings to turn them into what they are today so I wouldn't want to take that away. What I would say is that when he left his team were in a very similar trajectory to us during our first season in the Championship with similar failings and strengths and 18 months later we were champions. It may not be so well known but there was a death in the family which impacted why he wanted to move back down south with the job only partially done there. He isn't stupid and would have known how that would look for his career but still took the move. I think it's something worthy of respect as a man to put family before career at a crucial point but understand that many Burnley fans wouldn't see it the same way.
7. Can he manage the world stars you get at a club like yours? No idea but given how it's gone with some of your recent appointments who are meant to be experienced at this kind of thing I wouldn't hold that over him if I was you. He's proven himself to be absolutely ruthless at times, something that may not come across to those that don't follow the club closely, so I wouldn't want to cross him as a player.
8. I'll put your bins out as well. Just leave him where he is.
1. Please don't take him. No really. Please. I'll come around and do your washing up. For a month.
2. It's true we can get caught out at the back sometimes but that comes from taking the decision to set up the whole team to play on the front foot. Some managers set up their teams to get points by first and foremost preventing goals, he tries to get them by scoring them. That's not telling you anything you don't know. There are a couple of other things to take into account though. Even with a PL budget, the quality of players we can recruit isn't anywhere near at the same as the quality of you can get. How many goals last season would have been prevented it we'd had, for example, Kante sitting at the base of the midfield instead of Surman? Secondly, teams will often have identified us as a team they can get points against and so will be more likely to try and attack us. Against you, many teams will be more likely set up to try and defend so I think the basic tactical differences would mean many teams don't have the same numbers going forward. I think this would be so much less of a problem when managing you than us.
3. He evolves. In L1 we sold Marvin Bartley. Former window fitter and lower league destructive footballing force. Proper old school player. We were all waiting for a replacement 'ball winner' but Howe set his stall out that he wanted a 'Carrick' type sitting at the base of the midfield and stuck with it even when we thought he was mad. He proved the fans wrong by sticking to the principle of wanting an effective passer there and brought us to being a mid-table PL side with that. None of this 'you must play effective if ugly football to get up/stay up'. Almost nobody predicted that we'd go down this season in the previews. Think about that for a moment. We're AFC Bournemouth. It's mental. At least I think so! Having confounded us by insisting on no ball winner, he's tweaked the tactics again for this season and, just at the point when finally almost nobody was calling for it, has gone out and bought a ball winner in Lerma. Early days but he looks a beast and, without wanting to to get carried away, may just mean we achieve a record finish this season with this new set-up.
Everyone thinks he plays 4-4-2 and that's it and that's such a simplistic analysis of how he sets up the team I would disregard it. Through games he's constantly changing the set-up to adapt. Nothing you wouldn't expect from a top level manager but sometimes it gets lost in the 'his teams play 4-4-2' summary. For example, on Monday he took off a winger and brought on a CM to wrestle back control of the game from Palace. The game went from all us in the first half to all them to back to us after that sub.
4. He backs his players. If a player makes a gaff trying to play the passing game out from the back that he wants us to play then he will always take the blame for that himself saying it's his decision to play like that, not the players mistake. It must help to mindset of the players to not be afraid that they'll be publically lambasted for making an error. Let's be honest, we lose points every season from players doing exactly that but it wins us points as well.
5. The transfer record I've covered elsewhere but it actually stacks up pretty darn well when you look at the reason behind each signing and what it achieved. ie Afobe/Grabban (often mentioned) bought to keep us up when Wilson had done his cruciate. Objective achieved and fees not far short of being fully recouped when sold on. Sometimes players are bought for the long term, sometimes they're bought for the here-and-now as was the case with those two.
6. He failed at Burnley. There's definitely some bad feeling amongst some Burnley fans about his time there but if you look at the rebuilding he did he put in a lot of foundations for Dyche. SD then made some brilliant signings to turn them into what they are today so I wouldn't want to take that away. What I would say is that when he left his team were in a very similar trajectory to us during our first season in the Championship with similar failings and strengths and 18 months later we were champions. It may not be so well known but there was a death in the family which impacted why he wanted to move back down south with the job only partially done there. He isn't stupid and would have known how that would look for his career but still took the move. I think it's something worthy of respect as a man to put family before career at a crucial point but understand that many Burnley fans wouldn't see it the same way.
7. Can he manage the world stars you get at a club like yours? No idea but given how it's gone with some of your recent appointments who are meant to be experienced at this kind of thing I wouldn't hold that over him if I was you. He's proven himself to be absolutely ruthless at times, something that may not come across to those that don't follow the club closely, so I wouldn't want to cross him as a player.
8. I'll put your bins out as well. Just leave him where he is.
This is a great and very illuminating post.
No doubt Howe is doing an exceptional job and it will be interesting to see how his career develops.
Have you been paying attention to the Ligue 1 and the position Monaco is in? I bet Jardim gets sacked before Mourinho is.
Blanc is underrated as a manager, it is true that his tactics are predictable and often frustrating to watch. But he knows how to get his team to grind out results. He wouldn't be bad as a short term option to stabilize the team and guarantee top 4 for next season (which will be a challenge no matter who is taking over).
@Will Dance For Chocolate great read, thanks for sharing, I'm a big fan of Howe and what he's done for Bournemouth.
I think he could succeed under the right conditions, it will be interesting to see if us or any other big club for him in the future. ❤
I think he could succeed under the right conditions, it will be interesting to see if us or any other big club for him in the future. ❤
The situation Monaco in has nothing to do with Jardim though. They sold almost all the team that reached CL semi final and fecked up the team. Klopp was in a similar state at BVB before leaving.
What you said about Blanc is basically why more than half of this forum want Mourinho out, no ? He'll be even worse in it. There's a reason why no club, big or not, even bothered to touch him after leaving PSG.
Three things for me, in this order :
-Attractive football
-winning mentality
-focus on youth
Next manager should have all 3. Why are we even supporting the club if we are not enjoying the football?
-Attractive football
-winning mentality
-focus on youth
Next manager should have all 3. Why are we even supporting the club if we are not enjoying the football?