After about 400 anti-Mourinho posts you still have yet to provide a credible alternative. Has anything hit you yet?
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Heynckess was pretty decent at Madrid by all accounts, he won them UCL I believe in just one season he was there. He was mostly come and go from there on to Bayer. In germany he's found his feet again and did a great job. His third stint at Bayern was so good that I could watch them like excited which is alien to me for a non-United side.
Yes, I'm that wing-play, 4-4-2 guy that fought a losing battle on here when the performances under Fergie the 'dinosaur' (as he was called back then) decreased and everyone's dream was possession 'modern' football. I think it's only fair to assume we've we seen a bloody U-turn now.
You make some good points about fans' perception and it's good to know you can hear sense amidst all that is happening on here atm.
We are less than half way through the season. Lecister are 9 ahead. They wont win the title.
City are only 3 ahead.
Arsenal are 7 ahead. But Arsenal are Arsenal.
We have a very good squad still and will buy in the window. Have every confidence he can get us the title.
I'd forgotten that he won the Champions League with Real, there was quite a gap between that and his Bayern success but not many have 2 of those pots in their resume.
I think most want pace back in the attack but would like a balance that offered us the kind of speed and goal threat you see at Barca, but also a midfield 3 to control the game, as opposed to chalk on the boots wingers.
Yeah, everyone is on edge and it all feels a bit uncertain as regards to the club right now, I think we are all concerned in different ways.
Why do I have to provide a credible alternative to Jose Mourinho? We aren't sacking Van Gaal yet, so there's no need. But as I have said though, I think there are quite a few managers who could come in and do very well here, including Pochettino. In 6 months time, Gary Neville might have shown his qualities in Spain, in which case he'd be my no.1 target.
You would prefer someone with only six months experience... to one of the best managers ever??? This says it all!
blimey!No, I'd rather a talented young manager who plays attacking football and is steeped in United's tradition to a guy who parks the bus in big games and never developes youth. We will not be the one club where Mourinho does everything differently.
This!
Let me ask a question does your theory of Mourinho parking the bus some from the second half of last season like most other? Now let me ask this was Mourinhos first spell at Chelsea boring or his spell at Madrid who out scored the marvellous Pep and his Barcelona with over 100 goals in his league winning season, was porto a park the bus team?
My opinion of his football comes from watching his teams play. In his first spell at Chelsea they went from being dynamic with the likes of Robben and Duff and enjoying high-scoring thrillers against Barcelona to being progressively efficient, to eventually ruthlessly efficient. By that time, Robben and Duff were gone, and we saw Jose in his element of dreary 1-2.0 football. They would batter the odd team at home who opened up to chase the game, but they closed most games out by the odd goal with no desire to stay on the front foot and score more goals. At the time, we were used to United always trying to score goals, no matter the stage of the game, although in Mourinho's frst spell in England we weren't at our best in terms of quality.
His Madrid side used to routinely go out on the pitch to kick that Barcelona side and played on the counterattack more often than not, utilising Ronaldo and Di Maria's speed. Granted, we used to kick Arsenal when they were technically superior to us too, but Ferguson's first instinct was always to attack. It was only towards the end of his time here that he adopted a more pragmatic approach to overcome European opposition away from home. Herein lies the difference. Mourinho's first instinct is to nullify his opposition first and then score second. United has a history of asserting itself in games and forcing the other team to worry about us.
Mourinho's an inherently negative manager. He cannot coach any other way. It's his bread and butter.
Just saw this on F365 by a user. I thought I might share it here.
Ffs who will be Sexton & Ron Atkinson then? The next SAF is currently playing somewhere in Scotland it means.
That is exactly what is going to happen imo. United board will eventually have to sack LvG, I truly believe that. In this case, I feel that I would do a better job than the United board
Did I say we had successful youth products? No. Amos, Wootton Blackett, McNair, W. Keane, Brady, Borthwick-Jackson, Cleverley, Gibson, Lingard, Januzaj, Pereira, Welbeck, Wilson. Now it is obvious that very little of these players made much of an impact but I wasn't saying our youth system is flourishing, I said that Mourinho rarely gives these types of players a chance. Some of these may of made it but ya have to give them a chance to see if they do stand out. Loftus Cheek was one of the only players Mourinho has given some time to recently.
I disagree I think he is an effective manager and on his first 2 seasons at chelsea (04/05 &05/06) his teams scored 72 goals on both occassions in the league, at United with SAF we scored 58 and 72 and in both seasons we conceded a considerable amount more also in 08/09 we still had Ronaldo ect.. we scored 68 goals in the league while Mourinhos Inter scored 70, so here is 3 seasons alone without me digging into his time at Madrid (which we know were high scoring seasons, one broke the La liga record) that he has out scored SAF. I believe this assessment of Mourinho and his boring football is totally flawed, he can certainly turn a match boring to make sure he wins but overall its not what you say.
Looks like Gardiola is going to City and Ancelotti to Bayern. So I guess Jose is the next best option available. Disappointing. Pep should have been ours.
Now I am become death, the destroyer of worlds?
That's the one!
Ever the optimist I see the current situation as follows:
1. We're waiting till after the Chelsea game to employ Mourinho and that's why we haven't sacked Van Gaal yet.
2. Pep has agreed to take over at the end of the season and that's why we haven't sacked Van Gaal yet.
1. We're waiting till after the Chelsea game to employ Mourinho and that's why we haven't sacked Van Gaal yet.
2. Pep has agreed to take over at the end of the season and that's why we haven't sacked Van Gaal yet.
Ever the optimist I see the current situation as follows:
1. We're waiting till after the Chelsea game to employ Mourinho and that's why we haven't sacked Van Gaal yet.
2. Pep has agreed to take over at the end of the season and that's why we haven't sacked Van Gaal yet.
Sadly our board are such geniuses that we will miss out on top coaches and they will give the job back to Moyes because they feel he will have learned a lot during his time in Spain
Isn't one of the biggest gripes about LVG his playing style?
Isn't one of the biggest gripes about Jose his playing style?
Isn't one of the biggest gripes about Jose his playing style?
Except sexy sexy Jose wins all the trophies(if you ignore all the times he doesn't win). If we sign him we'll walk the league this year, apparently, and the Euros next summer.
If Guardiola is going to City then there's only 1 man I want in charge of us to do battle with that combination going forward. Jose is the only candidate you can put up against Guardiola, the renewed rivalry between the pair this time in the same city? Well it'd certainly be entertaining.
By virtue of significant winning experience of the EPL, beholden to simply winning at any cost and needing to prove a point, I think Mourinho would kick Peps ass if he managed United vs Peps City
Maybe so but at least he takes a chance on youngsters from time to time...not that I don't like Mourinho but for me he's not the right man for the job just now.
Van Gaal deserves no credit for this. He loaned out our best two young players after dismissing their playing chances, sold most of our squad players and then the annual injury crisis in defence left him with no choice but to play the young lads.
It's amazes me how people who say they dont want jose still can't answer this question.
In a perfect world I'd pick Pep, klopp and ancelotti before him but other clubs decided to be proactive and have secured those managers. That leaves us with Jose, a man who has found a certain level of success at every club he's been at, regardless of his flaws. If there is someone more accomplished than him on the market then im all ears. But there isn't.
feck hiring a midtable manager without a trophy and top club experience, last time we did that it failed horrifically and we still haven't recovered. Fergie won titles before he came to utd, he wasn't just some any manager.
Erm, he sold all our old players and bought a 21 year old winger and a 19 year old striker. He also played Januzaj plenty at the beginning of the year who later decided he wanted to be loaned. And a loan for Wilson is absolutely the right decision. I'm pretty sure as well that he's said one of the reasons he prefers a small squad is so the young lads get to play a bit. And finally, if he gives a youngster a chance and they grab it, they get more chances which is nice. See McNair, Blackett (ok best avoid that one), Lingard, Borthwick-Jackson...
You might not agree with many of his decisions regarding the squad or tactics, but to try and deny he's purposefully given youngsters a chance is laughably stupid.
Although I'm highly sceptical about Jose, I was watching the 2013/14 season review last night, and I'd give him a shot at the job just for scything down the scousers on their march to victory and his ensuing celebration
Although I'm highly sceptical about Jose, I was watching the 2013/14 season review last night, and I'd give him a shot at the job just for scything down the scousers on their march to victory and his ensuing celebration
He really fecking hates the scousers, doesn't he?Good post.
The fact that such a successful manager cannot garner a greater level of enthusiasm shows just how much baggage he carries. The baggage will become less and less important if we carry on losing games though.
It's time.
At this stage, can anyone really say Mourinho isn't worth a gamble, even with his baggage? The only way we shouldn't get Mourinho to sign on the dotted line this afternoon is if we are certain we could get Pep, and that just isn't going to happen.