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It's because we're more aware of the team's weaknesses and individual players' weaknesses than the weaknesses present in other teams. I think we compare our players unfavourably with those in other teams.
[Poll] Will MUFC win the Premier League under Van Gaal?
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It's because we're more aware of the team's weaknesses and individual players' weaknesses than the weaknesses present in other teams. I think we compare our players unfavourably with those in other teams.
It all depends on how quick this team start working cohesive unit,constant chopping and changing means we would struggle as last season.
We got a chance,lets see.
We got a chance,lets see.
Surely you jest, sir?
Just to remind you, Mourinho has won multiple league titles with diferent clubs, in different countries.
He has also won multiple CL trophies with different teams.
He also happens to manage the team, which won the league last year, by a huge margin.
What makes you think that as one of the most prolific managers currently in World football, that he would turn to crap, this year?
I don't think so - the competition is just too strong.
We need Chelsea to fall apart again soon to disrupt the favourites going forward, we need Arsenal to struggle after Wenger (though I doubt they'll reach our levels of horrible transitions) and City to fail to replace their ageing mercenaries whilst guys like Sterling fail and Aguero hardly plays during the season.
Consistent Champions League qualification is a more realistic aim, but even then we know Liverpool have the ability to go on ridiculously lucky runs inspired by one of their players becoming world class, before leaving them of course.
We need Chelsea to fall apart again soon to disrupt the favourites going forward, we need Arsenal to struggle after Wenger (though I doubt they'll reach our levels of horrible transitions) and City to fail to replace their ageing mercenaries whilst guys like Sterling fail and Aguero hardly plays during the season.
Consistent Champions League qualification is a more realistic aim, but even then we know Liverpool have the ability to go on ridiculously lucky runs inspired by one of their players becoming world class, before leaving them of course.
We'll win it 16/17 and have another manager ride off into the sunset with the Premier League trophy tied to his donkey.
I think LVG has a bigger chance to win the CL then the BPL. (and yes i know how retarded that sounds).
But BPL requires you to be in top form week in week out. And thats man utd's main problem, consistency.
CL requires good draws and safe play to go far. And then just be lucky enough to be on your A game semi's+
But BPL requires you to be in top form week in week out. And thats man utd's main problem, consistency.
CL requires good draws and safe play to go far. And then just be lucky enough to be on your A game semi's+
If we continue with this investment then we will win it sooner or later, whether it is him or not I am undecided. I get the feeling Van Gaal will be remembered more for achievements in Europe and cups.
No but we'll be 2nd.
Depends how well the team gels. I know it's a cliché but it's so true. Barca now are the best team in the world and will probably retain the cl. Chelsea are the best team in England as they have a very good manager and have a settled squad. It's going to be hard to top any of these teams.
I think in the next five years we will the premier league and in the next q0 the champions league.
I think in the next five years we will the premier league and in the next q0 the champions league.
I actually agree with that. I think we looked very ordinary against some fairly lightweight opposition last year, especially away from home. We'd need to be way more consistent to be in with a chance of the league. Doable? Who knows.
On the other hand, LVG has a good track record in Europe and I was pretty encouraged by our performances in the big games last year - can see us getting pretty far in Europe (semis, perhaps).
Think we'll come close, but not enough to win it yet. Still too much transitioning going on in more positions than id like.
Under SAF we'd lose a player but gain 1 or 2, things to add to the squad which already has a strong base.
Our base is weak, the additions need time to enhance what we have. Angel Di Maria had a season to adjust, and now is going to fek off to PSG. Still dont think Youngy is the answer, squad player yes.
And that defence .. nowhere near as good as Vida / Rio / Evra partnership.
and the keeper situation - though i get a good vibe from Sam.
So .. having said that, a few bits and bobs that need settling in, in that time i think LVG would be gone and we move onto another manager.
Under SAF we'd lose a player but gain 1 or 2, things to add to the squad which already has a strong base.
Our base is weak, the additions need time to enhance what we have. Angel Di Maria had a season to adjust, and now is going to fek off to PSG. Still dont think Youngy is the answer, squad player yes.
And that defence .. nowhere near as good as Vida / Rio / Evra partnership.
and the keeper situation - though i get a good vibe from Sam.
So .. having said that, a few bits and bobs that need settling in, in that time i think LVG would be gone and we move onto another manager.
What season?
I actually agree with you. Van Gaal has already shown himself well capable of getting us to grind out results against the best teams around. Where he falls down is in letting the team off the leash enough to take the risks needed to consistently beat much weaker teams that stick 11 men behind the ball. Which is something Fergie was a master at and often all we needed to win the league.
Not next season, the season after.
Chelsea have a settled team and won it with absolute ease last season. They don't need a huge overhaul to their squad, if they get one star player to improve their attack then they're sorted. Arsenal also have a settled team, and improved one of their biggest weaknesses with Cech. Their downfall will be the lack of defensive midfield options in case Coquelin gets injured/doesn't have as good of a half-season as last season (unless Arsenal strengthen there). City have a fearsome attack with Sterling, Aguero and Silva. Their midfield and defence needs work but their team is at least settled.
Those 3 teams are, in my eyes, the only one's who can challenge for the title with United. And as of right now, Chelsea and Arsenal are better equipped to win the title. City I'm not so sure about, they still need investment.
We will probably end up with another 5 or 6 first team players that need time to get used to the league/the style of play. I think we'll get close, but without a guaranteed 20+ goal attacking player we won't have enough to win the league. Yes we have Rooney, but I'm not convinced he can be that player (I hope I get proved wrong).
Chelsea have a settled team and won it with absolute ease last season. They don't need a huge overhaul to their squad, if they get one star player to improve their attack then they're sorted. Arsenal also have a settled team, and improved one of their biggest weaknesses with Cech. Their downfall will be the lack of defensive midfield options in case Coquelin gets injured/doesn't have as good of a half-season as last season (unless Arsenal strengthen there). City have a fearsome attack with Sterling, Aguero and Silva. Their midfield and defence needs work but their team is at least settled.
Those 3 teams are, in my eyes, the only one's who can challenge for the title with United. And as of right now, Chelsea and Arsenal are better equipped to win the title. City I'm not so sure about, they still need investment.
We will probably end up with another 5 or 6 first team players that need time to get used to the league/the style of play. I think we'll get close, but without a guaranteed 20+ goal attacking player we won't have enough to win the league. Yes we have Rooney, but I'm not convinced he can be that player (I hope I get proved wrong).
I remember when Moyes was in charge and there was a lot of fans on here who were saying bring in LVG to steady the boat and long term go for Klopp/Giggs (I was one of them). Now LVG is here we want more from him which is understandable but we shouldn't forget where we were and where we are now, I still think that LVG will keep us in the top 3/4 and keep us challenging for the cups. I cant see us winning the PL in the next 2 seasons but think we will be up there maybe come 2nd at best.
Just thought Id throw the Moyes days in here to understand how far we've come....
Just thought Id throw the Moyes days in here to understand how far we've come....
Because he hasn't proved he can sustain it over a period of time.
He either moves by the end of the 3rd season after success or leaves after some kind of falling out.
Pound for pound if the team gels, we probably have the deepest squad. You look at that midfield, it's got talent and depth. Only thing Chelsea have over us is a more settled team. Depay will play a big part, his movement on and off the ball will be pretty crucial, and we have plenty of creativity, it needs someone like a depay who can get on the end of things. I don't see DDG leaving, he will see out his contract. With a CB signing and going into the new season with a midfield that can boss games, and this platform is perfect for guys like Herrera who has missed this type of platform
No. He over complicates everything, his stupid experiments never end, and i think in time some players will be fed up.
He could always avoid this stupidity though, but he's so far up his own arse it's hard to see him changing at this age.
I'm confident that he's building an excellent squad for the next manager though, and i think we'll do relatively well in europe and have a better year in the league.
He could always avoid this stupidity though, but he's so far up his own arse it's hard to see him changing at this age.
I'm confident that he's building an excellent squad for the next manager though, and i think we'll do relatively well in europe and have a better year in the league.
Tend to agree with this. Be very interesting to see how Chelsea perform under a single manager for a sustained period. I think the love affair with Jose will die very quickly if there are a few barren years. Also, how will Jose cope if he is found out and isn't so special and is not winning.
No, mainly because of the manager.
Yes, if not this then next season.
Mainy because of the manager.
I fear for this place, season hasnt even started we had a very good TW thus far, if we keep DDG and possibly ADM, add a CB or a striker or both it will be a great TW, yet people are already negative, especially about LVG.
I understand reservations some have, we have and will have a tough opposition, team needs to gel and 1 more player or 2, but some things wrote are way OTT.
Mainy because of the manager.
I fear for this place, season hasnt even started we had a very good TW thus far, if we keep DDG and possibly ADM, add a CB or a striker or both it will be a great TW, yet people are already negative, especially about LVG.
I understand reservations some have, we have and will have a tough opposition, team needs to gel and 1 more player or 2, but some things wrote are way OTT.
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I'll take a cup or two. The FA Cup bugs me as its been years.
LVG still makes me nervous. Too choppy & changey but I think he's pragmatic enough to get the job done. As he's getting the horses to win it, it's possible that he could win the PL before he's done, but I'm not sure if it's probable. His biggest problem now is whether or not his defense (specifically GK & CB's) are good enough across the full season. It may be that he has to win it this season (assuming we keep DDG), as you can't be sure what we get next season, but then the CB's are not a stable bunch. Sure they have the talent, but I am unsure if they will be healthy enough to win it. If you were able to guarantee me a full, injury-free season for Smalling with his partner switching with Jones & Rojo (due to form & health), plus DDG, I'd think we'd be joint favorites to win it, but it could be joint favorites with at least 2 other teams.
He could win it this season, although I think we'll finish 2nd or 3rd. The 16/17 season should be the year we get properly back to the top and we should win it then.
Doesn't LvG's contract run out in 2017? I really hope he stays longer. To be honest, the only manager I'd maybe rather want is Guardiola but I'm not even sure about that. I love the direction we're headed in at the moment.
Doesn't LvG's contract run out in 2017? I really hope he stays longer. To be honest, the only manager I'd maybe rather want is Guardiola but I'm not even sure about that. I love the direction we're headed in at the moment.
A quick glance at his record would suggest he has every chance of landing a title here. Looking a bit deeper though, he never faced the kind of competition at Ajax, Barca or Bayern that he faces here in the form of Mourinho's Chelsea and to a lesser extent Arsenal and City. With that in mind, and with the knowledge of how his time at Barca and Bayern ended, I'd have to say it's unlikely we'll see him winning the league here, certainly not within a three year timeframe - and when is the last time he lasted at a club for more than three years? I'm aware I have ignored his AZ record, because (a) I don't know much about it, and (b) it strikes me as an entirely different situation.
Having said that, I think he'll leave us a lot stronger than he found us.
Having said that, I think he'll leave us a lot stronger than he found us.
If we start well in the first two months, we'll win it. If he doesn't find a quick winning formula, with all the new signings, we'll be 2nd/3rd.
this has been a concern of mine. considering the facilities, players and blank cheque he has to pretty much buy a new elite team, if he doesn't win a league he will be a failure
Based on the current squad right now? no.. he needs a new striker and to prove he can revitalise the attack cause it is not PL winning quality. . nowhere near.
Arsenal, Chelsea, City are all better than us going forwards.
Arsenal, Chelsea, City are all better than us going forwards.
Every team does this, it still doesn't change the fact that we're not as good as our rivals....yet.
We'll win the league and the Champions League with LVG.
I agree, the title race has already started, the better our performance in the transfer window the more points we'll get.
Can't Depay do that for you?
I believe we'll win or come very close in his third season.
A poll for this would be great.
No.
But he's putting up a good spine of the team in place. So who ever succeeds him will win it.
But he's putting up a good spine of the team in place. So who ever succeeds him will win it.
Have an outside chance this season but next season realistically.
I think LvG learnt a lot about the PL last year - people forget it was learning curve for him as well. You could see the fire burning in him to take down Jose from his awards night speech!
You only have to look at Arsenal' long title drought under Wenger, and before last season even Chelsea went a few seasons without a title. SAF was a genius, but he's gone along with the guarantee of titles. I don't reckon we'll win one under LVG.
Pellegrini and Mancini are no geniuses however.