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POLL: your thoughts on the Rooney contract extension
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I wonder how much he is on.
The press are as bad as some of the characters on here.
We all knew he was going to be made one of, if not, our highest earner anyway, but was this deal about money or was it simply a misunderstanding?
After all, Fergie himself did say Rooney's and his people hadn't even looked at the new contract that was proposed.... it hasn't taken him long to sign it...a day.
Surely the shortest contract wrangling in the history or modern day football, no?
The press are as bad as some of the characters on here.
We all knew he was going to be made one of, if not, our highest earner anyway, but was this deal about money or was it simply a misunderstanding?
After all, Fergie himself did say Rooney's and his people hadn't even looked at the new contract that was proposed.... it hasn't taken him long to sign it...a day.
Surely the shortest contract wrangling in the history or modern day football, no?
He will be off in the summer for a stunning fee.
No he won't.
I said it earlier but what at all would Wayne Rooney gain from that?
He has signed a deal to play for us for 5 years - get that into your head.
If he wanted to leave in the summer he'd not have signed the deal and earned more with a signing on fee from another club.
And if anybody thinks that it's a ploy by Fergie to get rid of Rooney despite Rooney wanting to stay then again that's horsesh!t! - By doing that SAF would make contracts meaningless and any player looking to sign for us would look at that and think twice.
Get over the fact that he is hear to stay
Nah, I can't be too happy about this.
At the time I kind of was pleased, but on reflection I just find the whole episode depressing, and would have taken more satisfaction in United telling him and his advisors to feck off the second any of this started to kick off.
It's naive and unfair to expect loyalty from anyone who left the club they support in pursuit of their career. He's free to do and decide what he wants and that's fine, but there are ways to behave in doing so, in any profession, and it doesn't sit well with me that you can behave the way Rooney and his advisors have, and that it can, to a degree, work.
I'd be happier with the idea that the club wasn't willing to pander to blatant disrespect and lack of professionalism, but I guess if it's Wayne Rooney the numbers add up more if he's still on the books, and if he's straightened it out with Sir Alex and the team then fine.
I can believe he's naive enough to not have really known what he was doing, or at least I can give the benefit of any doubt, but I'm supposed to be pleased with any of it why?
At the time I kind of was pleased, but on reflection I just find the whole episode depressing, and would have taken more satisfaction in United telling him and his advisors to feck off the second any of this started to kick off.
It's naive and unfair to expect loyalty from anyone who left the club they support in pursuit of their career. He's free to do and decide what he wants and that's fine, but there are ways to behave in doing so, in any profession, and it doesn't sit well with me that you can behave the way Rooney and his advisors have, and that it can, to a degree, work.
I'd be happier with the idea that the club wasn't willing to pander to blatant disrespect and lack of professionalism, but I guess if it's Wayne Rooney the numbers add up more if he's still on the books, and if he's straightened it out with Sir Alex and the team then fine.
I can believe he's naive enough to not have really known what he was doing, or at least I can give the benefit of any doubt, but I'm supposed to be pleased with any of it why?
You're not "supposed" to be pleased about anything.
If there is anything to be pleased about, though, it's the outcome i.e. Rooney signing a new long-term contract with Manchester United, after it looked like we were on the brink of losing our best player from last season, a player who is young and improving all the time. Which is great news.
All the rest of it is profoundly depressing, though, I agree.
These things happen all the time at football clubs, the only difference is that Rooney's team made it public. As Fergie said it is a sign of the times, something we all just have to deal with.
I think Rooney is just as upset how things went, I don't think he will feel like it has been a good week for him. It's been a PR disaster for him. Rooney has apologised and admitted his mistake. I'm sure he will reiterate this the coming months.
I hope he sacks his agent, that would help winning back the fans and support from within the club, but I suspect it may complicated for him to that.
But the question was whether your happy he's signed the damn contract, not at how things happened. Our best player has now signed and that only can be good for the club. Had he not signed then the club would have been far worse off.
It's too early to tell whether the outcome is great news. Let's see first how the team is going to react to what happened in the last days, whether Rooney will regain his form from January-March, and what we are going to achieve this season. Let's see also whether he will stay in the summer.
I haven't said a single bad word about Rooney the man in the last few days but I feel a bit disenchanted with football right now. There must be something wrong with football (and social life in general) if illiterate cnuts like those football stars can be loved and rich beyond any reasonable measure.
I haven't said a single bad word about Rooney the man in the last few days but I feel a bit disenchanted with football right now. There must be something wrong with football (and social life in general) if illiterate cnuts like those football stars can be loved and rich beyond any reasonable measure.
The question was simply "your thoughts on the Rooney contract extension"
and my thoughts are that I'm not happy with any of it at all. It could and should have easily been handled privately between only the concerned parties. Instead it was deliberately made into a public fiasco and Sir Alex and our team were deliberately made into a public target.
I'm supposed to be happy just because he signed the contract? I was far happier two weeks ago when he hadn't signed and I didn't know what an arse he was going to make of the situation and himself. Far happier than I'll ever be able to be about it now.
Rams, personally I think there is a very big difference between a player making strong demands in private negotiations and what Rooney has done.
Exactly by going public he showed a lot of disrespect to the club and everyone around, and that was a deliberate act. So when you say that these things happen all the time, but they don't go public it's sort of missing the point IMO. This wouldn't be depressing, pathetic or embarrasing at all if Rooney (and his team) had kept this within the four corners of Gill's office.
Exactly by going public he showed a lot of disrespect to the club and everyone around, and that was a deliberate act. So when you say that these things happen all the time, but they don't go public it's sort of missing the point IMO. This wouldn't be depressing, pathetic or embarrasing at all if Rooney (and his team) had kept this within the four corners of Gill's office.
Disagree strongly that Rooney is our best player, he can be but all too often he isn't.
Personally I think we'd struggle more with Nani out of the team than we will with Rooney out.
He didn't publicly ask for more money though did he. Publicly, the only thing he did was ask for reassurances about the future success of the club.
It's only as depressing, pathetic and embarrassing as people are unnecessarily making it out to be.
Obviously he never went public with his desire to get more money. We all knew that he would play the Glazier card in public, and that's what he did.
But the point is that he let the contract negotiations and troubles get public. Causing turmoil, lack of focus and putting our club in a difficult situation. Adding to that his lack om ambitions comment reflect badly on the players already at the club, specially the new faces like Chicarito, Bebe and Smalling.
He publicly questioned the ambition of the club. He publicly questioned the quality of his team mates. He publicly suggested that David Gill should have to answer to him, and assure him of future successes, like he has a divine right to win the league every season and it doesn't matter a jot what shirt he wears in the process.
From someone who kisses Uniteds badge and proclaims to love the club, that's pretty depressing and embarrassing in my book, and that the club bent over backwards to keep him is even more so.
So more are Happy than Meh now. Knew people would come around and be Happy about it.
My reputation of Rooney's definitely gone down but it's great news for United to keep Rooney
My reputation of Rooney's definitely gone down but it's great news for United to keep Rooney
So more are Happy than Meh now. Knew people would come around and be Happy about it.
My reputation of Rooney's definitely gone down but it's great news for United to keep Rooney
From a purely pragmatic view yea it's great news that he's staying, but emotion makes viewing things that way difficult, and if you start removing emotion from being a football fan then what's the point?
Agreed. I don't know what evidence some people expect. He's hardly going to come out and saying publicly "I'm a greedy prat and either I get a huge pay rise or I'm off to City". People should stop defending Rooney because there's no defending for what he did. He disrespected and belittled his teammates and the club. Who the bloody hell does think he is? Manchester United don't need to justify themselves, their transfer policy or their squad quality to a little greedy Scouser who lost touch with a reality.
R Nick said:
The Glazer Card
fecking hell, people are just coming to conclusions without any evidence. I don't see the point.
You could argue that the club also let the contract negotiations and troubles get public. It got to the point where a the contract wasn't being signed, people were talking, it would become publicly eventually. And when it did nothing damning was said. I'm fecking glad he expressed concern about the club's lack of ambition (even though I think he's wrong) because it shows he fecking cares. But nah, it was just the Glazer card wasn't it. Almost every tosser on here cries about our transfer policy, but when the player we're so reliant on expresses concerns then he's an evil cnut. It's his career, he has every right to be concerned.
There is also no evidence that the club bent over backwards. Considering how quickly it was sorted I think it's safe to imagine that the contract that has been on the table for months is the contract that was signed. Reassuring a player that United is the place to be and will challenge for trophies is hardly bending over, is it. Sheesh.
Although speaking for myself I ceratinly didin't get depressed at anyone moment (disappointed yes, depressed ceratinly not...) I agree with your post. However, I also think that Rooney realises he was wrong and I bet he will reiterate this and apologise some more over the coming months. He already said so yesterday. There is no argument about that. You can bet your bottom dollar that of everybody nobody regrets it more than Rooney does. Don't forget that he's 'locker room' mates with the likes of Gaz and Rio, they will be giving him a very hard time for us.
One question I have to ask: Are the people who voted with 'happy' going to give Rooney a hero's welcome and give him magnificient cheers as a reward for his behaviour next time he's playing? Just askin'.
You ask the players who they think is the best player at the club and they'll all say it's Rooney.
Nah, let's boo him for the next 5 years. That way hopefully we can force him to feck off to our closest rivals as soon as possible.
Seriously though, he has some work to do to win the fans back, but if he applies himself with passion on the pitch then we should all get behind him again.
He should never be hero worshipped in the first place. He's not very bright, he's just a very talented footballer.
Errrrmmm.. of course not. Rooney himself said yesterday he has the win the fans back and that won't happen over night.
Nah, let's boo him for the next 5 years. That way hopefully we can force him to feck off to our closest rivals as soon as possible.
A bit of booing when he's back won't do any harm. The supporters pay good money to watch United, they have every right to express their feelings and Rooney won't expect anything else. I just hope the fans don't go over the top.
Yup, agree with that. A good booing, but nothing too personal. Perhaps some City rent boy kind of stuff. Something that says "prove us wrong", not "feck off and die you cnut"...
The Glazer Card
fecking hell, people are just coming to conclusions without any evidence. I don't see the point.
You could argue that the club also let the contract negotiations and troubles get public. It got to the point where a the contract wasn't being signed, people were talking, it would become publicly eventually. And when it did nothing damning was said. I'm fecking glad he expressed concern about the club's lack of ambition (even though I think he's wrong) because it shows he fecking cares. But nah, it was just the Glazer card wasn't it. Almost every tosser on here cries about our transfer policy, but when the player we're so reliant on expresses concerns then he's an evil cnut. It's his career, he has every right to be concerned.
There is also no evidence that the club bent over backwards. Considering how quickly it was sorted I think it's safe to imagine that the contract that has been on the table for months is the contract that was signed. Reassuring a player that United is the place to be and will challenge for trophies is hardly bending over, is it. Sheesh.
Re 'you could argue that the club also let the contract negotiations and troubles get public' - Stretford was the one who made everything public, he called journos to tell them Rooney was leaving, what exactly could the club do about that?
Re questioning the clubs ambition, he has no right to do that publicly, if at all. Crerand said it best, plenty better players have come through this club without making such demands.
re the club bending over backwards, when has SAF ever put up with players acting out like this? Keane was shoved out without blinking. Rooney has now shown himself to be bigger than the club.
I'm actually leaning more towards C now. Rooney has treated us all so badly, and if he can just get away with it, hold the club to ransom and get exactly what he wants it shows the club to be rather weak.
Yes, it helps the team to have him here, but what sort of message does it show when Rooney can act like a spoilt brat, whinge and whine, moan for what he wants, threaten to leave, get what he wants and be welcomed back with opened arms as if he did nothing wrong?
Surely we should be showing players that they can't act like that and that they have to respect the team and manager, and also the fans who pay their wages? Rooney has done exactly what he wants, got given a ridiculous wage bump, and been completely welcomed back. We can't give players the message that that is acceptable, because it is not. Rooney has taken the club for idiots, he should really be reprimanded.
Yes, it helps the team to have him here, but what sort of message does it show when Rooney can act like a spoilt brat, whinge and whine, moan for what he wants, threaten to leave, get what he wants and be welcomed back with opened arms as if he did nothing wrong?
Surely we should be showing players that they can't act like that and that they have to respect the team and manager, and also the fans who pay their wages? Rooney has done exactly what he wants, got given a ridiculous wage bump, and been completely welcomed back. We can't give players the message that that is acceptable, because it is not. Rooney has taken the club for idiots, he should really be reprimanded.
The Glazer Card
fecking hell, people are just coming to conclusions without any evidence. I don't see the point.
Hehe, I knew you would pretend to not understand that. When Ferguson made his statement on Tuesday all of us were discussing what Rooney would say in his statement the coming day. Now, it was obvious that he was never going to go out and say "I want more money" or anything like that. He was at the time, after SAFs interview, becoming very unpopular amongst us on here. So what did we expect him to say? Obviously something about how lack of spending, big signings etc was the reason. We knew he would say that because it was the only thing he could say that would possible get the fans back on his side, because of the way things are with the fans and the current owners.
Go back and check if you want, we all knew he was going to say it. But nobody believed that the lack of spending would be his real reason for not renewing. Instead most saw it as a cheap excuse. Until now that is, when posters find the need to go back and find a reason not to dislike Wayne Rooney.
The "Glazer card" is just a term I picked to underline that his excuse would not be about money, but about lack of backing from the owners.
Fair enough this.
Depressed is a strong word. "Resigned" is probably a better description of my feelings on all this. I think we are pretty much in agreement on all this anyway.
Re the booing, I said earlier in this thread that I would never boo him if he was on the pitch, so the alternative c) should for my part be c) unhappy and not c) booo.
If I were at OT when he plays his first game I'd probably keep quiet. No abuse, but no vocal support either.
If I were at OT when he plays his first game I'd probably keep quiet. No abuse, but no vocal support either.
I'm most pleased that SAF came out of it well. I feel this was crucial
Yes, Stretford. Not Rooney. I don't think Rooney is bright enough to "play the press". There was obviously an issue with the contract anyway. Nobody made any wage demands public, certainly not Rooney, and to suggest or insinuate so is simply stupid. That's the bottom line. Anyone accusing Rooney of delaying the contract to get a pay rise has ZERO evidence, yet that is what you and other drama queens have been claiming.
It's fecking rich coming from the fans to blast him for showing concern about the future of the club considering so many have concerns of their own. The statement was an explanation as to why the contract hasn't been signed yet, not an attack on the club. The best thing to come out of this is knowing that Rooney has been given reassurances, which should hopefully shut the doom and gloom merchant fans up for a while (and the ABUs widely predicting the our demise)
Re not punishing Rooney. I think it's an indication that SAF, rightly in my opinion, doesn't think Rooney was all that far out of line. But nah, lets claim that SAF, the greatest manager in the world has bent over and taken one in the arse...rather than praising him for resolving the issue. United fans simply do not appreciate our great manager and it makes me sad at times.
And I pointed out that it's retarded speculation.
You are reading shit that isn't there. I don't see the point, I disagree with your logic, and I am dumbfounded by your conclusion.
Rowen, in this situation Stretford is Rooney. He is his agent and representative in the contract negotiations and has to be identified with Rooney. Stretford doesn't do anything big in these negotiations without Rooneys consent.
Para 1 - you think Stretford acts on his own without Rooney's approval?
Para 2 - fans and players are different. Fans support the club, players are employed by the club and should remain professional. If you went out in public and questioned your bosses business plan and suggested you had better ideas than him for moving the company forward that you'd get rewarded with a new contract? You can't excuse a player talking out just because fans have done it, that should be obvious really.
Para 3 - particularly the last line - feck off you condescending prick.
And I think you're extremely naive in all this. You see Stretford as someone who is doing all this solo, and don't see that he is part of the Rooney team here. The same team that let this drag out and go public. The same team that questioned the teams ability to challenge for trophies, at the same time as the team is fecking challenging for trophies. Don't you see the problem there? What is it saying to the lads lining up to play Bursaspor and Stoke? "Hey, I want out. This team isn't good enough to match my ambitions of winning major trophies." At the same time everyone else in the club is focused on winning the league. That's a big blow.
If you honestly believe that all this was about Rooneys concern about the team, and not about Wayne Rooney himself, then feel free. I think that it blindly naive. Personally, I am in no doubt that the main reason for all this was to put pressure on the club to cough up enough money. Everything else is just an excuse IMO. A smokescreen.
No he isn't.
Dyslexic Untied said:
Yeah, Rooney is a mastermind at contract negotiations and media handling. He's calling all the shots on those two fronts. Hell, why does he even need an agent, he just needs an assistant to carry out his order.
We also haven't even seen what Stretford actually said to the journos. I don't trust the journos in this either.
Rooney's ego is out of control:
- Jennifer thompson on the side
- slagging off england fans in the world cup when he's playing crap
- taking on Sir Alex publicly
- complaining about being left out when his form is dismal
- demanding assurances over transfer strategy
what next?
- Jennifer thompson on the side
- slagging off england fans in the world cup when he's playing crap
- taking on Sir Alex publicly
- complaining about being left out when his form is dismal
- demanding assurances over transfer strategy
what next?
Yeah, and what does that have to do with Rooney wanting more money?
Based on......?
Scholes, VDS and Giggs are retiring soon. I'm sure he was concerned about what the future holds after they have left, as are many fans.
Obviously Stretford is the best at negotiations, but he is negotiating on Rooneys terms, and under his instructions. An agent represents the player, and has the ability to agree terms on the players behalf. If he did something Rooney didn't approve of obviously he would be put straight or shown the door.