POLL: your thoughts on the Rooney contract extension

Your thoughts on the Rooney contract extention

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Rowem said:
Yeah, and what does that have to do with Rooney wanting more money? :confused:



Based on......?



Scholes, VDS and Giggs are retiring soon. I'm sure he was concerned about what the future holds after they have left, as are many fans.
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And those concerns are fair enough. But you don't go public with them, because it shows an enormous lack of respect for the rest of team. For the young players and for the new faces. But obviously Rooney didn't go public did he, the mean loose canon Stretford did.
 
R_Nick said:
Para 1 - you think Stretford acts on his own without Rooney's approval?

Para 2 - fans and players are different. Fans support the club, players are employed by the club and should remain professional. If you went out in public and questioned your bosses business plan and suggested you had better ideas than him for moving the company forward that you'd get rewarded with a new contract? You can't excuse a player talking out just because fans have done it, that should be obvious really.

Para 3 - particularly the last line - feck off you condescending prick.
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Don't be so touchy Nicholas. You think Rooney has taken SAF and United for a ride. I think you're wrong. It makes me sad that so many fans think like you.

It's Rooney's career. Footballers should be in control of their careers. If I was at Liverpool at the moment, I would want out. That's a sinking ship. Some people fear United were heading the same way, its understandable Rooney thought the same. He isn't obliged to stick around for that. I don't think he questioned the bosses plans, he just wanted reassurance of what they were exactly. I'm sure the plans haven't been changed to keep Rooney happy - they've probably just been clarified.
 
Rowem said:
Don't be so touchy Nicholas. You think Rooney has taken SAF and United for a ride. I think you're wrong. It makes me sad that so many fans think like you.

It's Rooney's career. Footballers should be in control of their careers. If I was at Liverpool at the moment, I would want out. That's a sinking ship. Some people fear United were heading the same way, its understandable Rooney thought the same. He isn't obliged to stick around for that. don't think he questioned the bosses plans, he just wanted reassurance of what they were exactly. I'm sure the plans haven't been changed to keep Rooney happy - they've probably just been clarified.QUOTE]

If it was that easy then all this would be sorted in March or August at latest. Hey Boss, what are your plans? Well, Wayne, the same as always, we are going to win everything. Alright boss, I'll sign.
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Dyslexic Untied said:
And those concerns are fair enough. But you don't go public with them, because it shows an enormous lack of respect for the rest of team. For the young players and for the new faces. But obviously Rooney didn't go public did he, the mean loose canon Stretford did.
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I'm sure they'll get over it. If anything young players these days need a kick up the arse.

Anyway, it's the money thing that you (and others) are convinced by why I'm really struggling with.

Stretford's job is to handle Rooney's public matters. Rooney's job is to play football.
 
Rowem said:
I'm sure they'll get over it. If anything young players these days need a kick up the arse.

Anyway, it's the money thing that you (and others) are convinced by why I'm really struggling with.

Stretford's job is to handle Rooney's public matters. Rooney's job is to play football.
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So the statement that was put out two hours before the Bursaspor game was all Stretford? Rooney knew nothing about that?

Naive.
 
Dyslexic Untied said:
If it was that easy then all this would be sorted in March or August at latest. Hey Boss, what are your plans? Well, Wayne, the same as always, we are going to win everything. Alright boss, I'll sign.
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So there were most likely communications errors on both sides. SAF and Gill have been giving mixed/vague messages about finances. The money's there, no value in the market etc.

Add in Rooney's on and off field problems, then his mind was all over the place.
 
noodlehair said:
Nah, I can't be too happy about this.

At the time I kind of was pleased, but on reflection I just find the whole episode depressing, and would have taken more satisfaction in United telling him and his advisors to feck off the second any of this started to kick off.

It's naive and unfair to expect loyalty from anyone who left the club they support in pursuit of their career. He's free to do and decide what he wants and that's fine, but there are ways to behave in doing so, in any profession, and it doesn't sit well with me that you can behave the way Rooney and his advisors have, and that it can, to a degree, work.

I'd be happier with the idea that the club wasn't willing to pander to blatant disrespect and lack of professionalism, but I guess if it's Wayne Rooney the numbers add up more if he's still on the books, and if he's straightened it out with Sir Alex and the team then fine.

I can believe he's naive enough to not have really known what he was doing, or at least I can give the benefit of any doubt, but I'm supposed to be pleased with any of it why?
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Sums up my feelings on it perfectly. At least we have the option now to sell if for more money, if need be, or if that's the plan, at least that option is on the table. However, it doesn't mean I should feel happy about the situation at all.
 
i just don´t see how this is bad for manchester united,we´ve retained our best player,yes its cost us money but dont most contract negotiations end up with the player getting more?, and we´ve also held the value of our most valuable asset,if we´d have sold rooney in january it would have been for a low price and at least now we hold all the cards if in the near future we decided to sell.
 
Dyslexic Untied said:
So the statement that was put out two hours before the Bursaspor game was all Stretford? Rooney knew nothing about that?

Naive.
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I'm sure Rooney knew about it, but I don't expect Rooney personally put any thought into the planning of the timing whatsoever, or even has the intelligence to have realised its significance.
 
Rowem said:
So there were most likely communications errors on both sides. SAF and Gill have been giving mixed/vague messages about finances. The money's there, no value in the market etc.

Add in Rooney's on and off field problems, then his mind was all over the place.
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If it was as you say, that Rooney just needed a confirmation of SAFs plans then it would be sorted with a quick word on the training ground. Obviously there is something more. Now what could that be...?
 
Rowem said:
I'm sure Rooney knew about it, but I don't expect Rooney personally put any thought into the planning of the timing whatsoever, or even has the intelligence to have realised its significance.
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This doesn't take the blame off him one bit. He hired Stretford, he pays Stretford, he tells Stretford what to do. When Stretford does his stuff, Rooney carries the blame together with him.
 
Dyslexic Untied said:
Obviously Stretford is the best at negotiations, but he is negotiating on Rooneys terms, and under his instructions. An agent represents the player, and has the ability to agree terms on the players behalf. If he did something Rooney didn't approve of obviously he would be put straight or shown the door.
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I don't think you realise how much influence agents have over people. See Max Clifford. See the owners of music labels or band managers. They have a massive influence over things. For example I blame Tevez' exit almost solely on Kia for working away at him in his ear, all so Kia could earn some extra dough.
 
Dyslexic Untied said:
If it was as you say, that Rooney just needed a confirmation of SAFs plans then it would be sorted with a quick word on the training ground. Obviously there is something more. Now what could that be...?
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Because it wasn't explained properly on the training ground? Because the "yes Wayne, the money's there, no value" stuff wasn't enough perhaps? Because it took a proper meeting to bash through it all?

Its more logical than the whole thing being a Glazer-card excuse in order to bump up his wages.
 
Rowem said:
Don't be so touchy Nicholas. You think Rooney has taken SAF and United for a ride. I think you're wrong. It makes me sad that so many fans think like you.

It's Rooney's career. Footballers should be in control of their careers. If I was at Liverpool at the moment, I would want out. That's a sinking ship. Some people fear United were heading the same way, its understandable Rooney thought the same. He isn't obliged to stick around for that. I don't think he questioned the bosses plans, he just wanted reassurance of what they were exactly. I'm sure the plans haven't been changed to keep Rooney happy - they've probably just been clarified.
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You questioned mine and others appreciation for our manager, seriously what gives you the right? Your opinion on this matter carries no more weight than anyone else's, so don't go around talking down to people like that.
 
Rowem said:
I don't think you realise how much influence agents have over people. See Max Clifford. See the owners of music labels or band managers. They have a massive influence over things. For example I blame Tevez' exit almost solely on Kia for working away at him in his ear, all so Kia could earn some extra dough.
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I think I know exactly how much influence agents have. The point is though that the player wanted that agent, he pays him, he lets him handle contracts, he picks him because it gets him the most. If he is unhappy he can fire the agent. When you don't, then you can't hide behind being stupid. You are responsible.

Just like if your lawyer, or PR-agent or any other consultant does something you disagree with, you can get rid. When they represent you, they do in fact represent you. Not themselves.
 
Rowem said:
Because it wasn't explained properly on the training ground? Because the "yes Wayne, the money's there, no value" stuff wasn't enough perhaps? Because it took a proper meeting to bash through it all?

Its more logical than the whole thing being a Glazer-card excuse in order to bump up his wages.
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It's not to be fair.

There were meetings already before the WC. "Proper meetings". If all he wanted was a confirmation as you say, and not a change, then it would have been handled then.
 
R_Nick said:
You questioned mine and others appreciation for our manager, seriously what gives you the right? Your opinion on this matter carries no more weight than anyone else's, so don't go around talking down to people like that.
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My apologies that it came across that way.
 
Dyslexic Untied said:
It's not to be fair.

There were meetings already before the WC. "Proper meetings". If all he wanted was a confirmation as you say, and not a change, then it would have been handled then.
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Would it though. Maybe Wayne wanted to see what happened in the summer? See if the promises were carried out...
 
Jiggs'Hamstring said:
It's a hell of a lot more complicated than those 3. I'm still feeling angry and confused, but I kind of wanna shout "we've got Wayne Rooney"
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That's true, the options don't really work. To be honest I feel all A, B and C, but for different things. Mostly A) for being in a stronger position if we had to sell at any point, C) because he could have signed a fecking contract ages ago and avoided all of this, plus everything else he did.
 
Rams said:
Errrrmmm.. of course not. Rooney himself said yesterday he has the win the fans back and that won't happen over night.
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If he continues to give his all and plays his heart out, as he always has done for us, then I couldn't give a flying feck about the entire saga. I'll support him.
 
Yeah, it's impossible not to feel a bit "meh/boooo" when we're discussing a footballer who is going to get a huge pay-rise after playing like a pub footballer so far this season and acting like a dick (albeit whilst being very badly advised) in the way he handled the contract negotiations.

I also think it's impossible not to be pleased Fergie got his way and secured a long-term contract for the best (IMHO) young player at our club. Bit surprised so few people seem to think the same.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Yeah, it's impossible not to feel a bit "meh/boooo" when we're discussing a footballer who is going to get a huge pay-rise after playing like a pub footballer so far this season and acting like a dick (albeit whilst being very badly advised) in the way he handled the contract negotiations.

I also think it's impossible not to be pleased Fergie got his way and secured a long-term contract for the best (IMHO) young player at our club. Bit surprised so few people seem to think the same.
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you're spot on with your observation. I think that a temporary disgust will be replaced with respect/love/appreciation soon.

short term- meh/boo ; long term yay
 
Sunny Jim said:
you're spot on with your observation. I think that a temporary disgust will be replaced with respect/love/appreciation soon.

short term- meh/boo ; long term yay
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No, I don't think so. Each to their own, but that's opportunism in my eyes. Me being disgusted with his behaviour is nothing to do with his performances. Eight goals against Liverpool or City wouldn't change anything for me, because the fact remains that he treated club, teammates and the manager like shit. I just have to think about the fact that he had the nerve to demand talks with the Glazers about the club's future and I get wound up again.
 
Lailiani said:
No, I don't think so. Each to their own, but that's opportunism in my eyes. Me being disgusted with his behaviour is nothing to do with his performances. Eight goals against Liverpool or City wouldn't change anything for me, because the fact remains that he treated club, teammates and the manager like shit. I just have to think about the fact that he had the nerve to demand talks with the Glazers about the club's future and I get wound up again.
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well, looks like Fergie got over it...he even offered Rooney a brand new contract.
 
Don't like the way the whole thing played out to put it bluntly. Rooney needs to show us this whole BS is behind him and do his thing on the pitch. I respect players like Giggs, Scholes and Neville. Through and through United.

Once a blue, still a red, after the green.
 
Lailiani said:
Fergie is no longer as emotional as he used to be and has to look at things from a different perspective than us fans. I don't think that him offering Rooney a pay rise makes my opinion invalid. :)
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I think you'll find he's probably as human as the rest of us. But he knows what's best for the club...which is why he's always gone out of his way for his best players. Rooney's mistake was to go public, these things usually go on behind the scenes, keeping us the fans oblivious to all nuances of contract negotiations.
 
Lailiani said:
Fergie is no longer as emotional as he used to be and has to look at things from a different perspective than us fans. I don't think that him offering Rooney a pay rise makes my opinion invalid. :)
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You cant say he wasn't emotional. He had a tear in his eye at Tuesdays press conference.
 
Lailiani said:
Fergie is no longer as emotional as he used to be and has to look at things from a different perspective than us fans. I don't think that him offering Rooney a pay rise makes my opinion invalid. :)
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Why would Fergie have a different perspective from us fans?

We all want the same thing, don't we?
 
I've gone 'A', at least we'll get decent money now if we sell him. If we don't then he's gonna have to step up his game just to get in the team, never mind winning the fans over.
 
That Poll is very misleading. I think people are happy that its a good bit of business from United point of view ( should we flog the retch in the summer ).

I'm not sure it'd be the same outcome if the poll would be about changing their mind on Rooney's behaviour and his general cuntishness towards the club.
 
Spoony Youngblood said:
Rooney's mistake was to go public, these things usually go on behind the scenes
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Wasn't it the club that went public? You could say SAF played hardball going public & forcing the issues into the open; thereby putting pressure on the Glazers to promise investment & weakening Rooneys stance in contract negotiations at the same time.
 
Classy Cannon said:
Wasn't it the club that went public? You could say SAF played hardball going public & forcing the issues into the open; thereby putting pressure on the Glazers to promise investment & weakening Rooneys stance in contract negotiations at the same time.
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I was referring to the info leaked to the media by Rooney's camp. But yes, you're right.
 
Classy Cannon said:
Wasn't it the club that went public? You could say SAF played hardball going public & forcing the issues into the open; thereby putting pressure on the Glazers to promise investment & weakening Rooneys stance in contract negotiations at the same time.
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Rooney's lot went public via "leaks" one evening to a fair few of the journos. Naturally it caused such an outcry in the media worldwide that United hadn't really any choice but to respond to it publicly.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Why would Fergie have a different perspective from us fans?

We all want the same thing, don't we?
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Fergie is managing United and is employed, I'm not. He must justify himself to the Glazers, the media and the management, I don't. I'm just a fan. In the Rooney case, I'd rather got rid of him even if it meant losing out on titles or finishing the Premier League worse than we would with him. As a United manager, Fergie obviously can't take this stance even though I'd like him to do so.

For me, a dressing room cancer like Rooney is worse than losing some money or maybe titles. For Fergie, it isn't. He might think like me and many other fans, but he won't act on it, though some years ago he probably would have given how he shipped out the likes of Beckham who loved the club and was an angel compared to greedy Wayne Rooney.

I'm not even really angry, just terribly sad and disappointed because the day he got a fat contract as a reward for his behaviour was a really awful day for football. I used to think we were better than that, particularly better than mercenary clubs like Chelsea or City. In reality, we aren't because I can't see a difference between Rooney's behaviour and the behaviour of John Terry or Ashley Cole. Nobody who defends Rooney or has him in the club is entitled to be judgemental towards the likes of Terry, Cole and even Tevez.

When I had to describe my feelings about the whole Rooney saga, "disgust" would be the right word for it.
 
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