[Jaxdan]

Thought the Ajax CB Sanchez was superb, some strength on him, caught a couple of times on the ball but defense wise was superb

He was. Sanchez and Traore' were impressive players. The rest, not so much.

 

[Dr. Funkenstein]

Their attitude has always been like that and I think it's been one reason why their NT has never really achieved anything despite loads of talented players in generations past. When you're willing to excuse defeat by claiming your opponent didn't play 'the right way' you just end up as a specialist in failure.

Don't get carried away, trying to get points for style has been a vulnerability in Dutch football in the past. But if we compare the success of typical Dutch football as it has been there in the last 50 years to English football, it's obvious that the Dutch have massively overachieved and the English painfully underachieved.

Despite playing their worst match since the beginning of the season, Ajax weren't the underachievers yesterday. With spending 10 times more in transfer fees and 15 times more in wages and having to resort to defensive tactics, giving the initiative away and hoping Ajax won't suddenly start playing like they did before is not really something to boast about. It's not really a sign of strength, it something clubs like WBA do because they can't do the harder stuff. Schone might take his hat off for the way United did it, to me the cynical fouls, theatrics, and all kinds of time wasting like getting the handbags out to prevent Ajax from starting to play their game was not something to be proud of. Not if it was necessary to win and certainly not when it wasn't. It's methods like that made Mourinho successfull in the past, but I didn't expect referees to still let that happen.

 

[Turnip]

You mean you woke up this morning feeling fine?

Yeah, well, more than fine. Is that not what buzzing means now? Am I getting old?

 

[Inigo Montoya]

Don't get carried away, trying to get points for style has been a vulnerability in Dutch football in the past. But if we compare the success of typical Dutch football as it has been there in the last 50 years to English football, it's obvious that the Dutch have massively overachieved and the English painfully underachieved.

Despite playing their worst match since the beginning of the season, Ajax weren't the underachievers yesterday. With spending 10 times more in transfer fees and 15 times more in wages and having to resort to defensive tactics, giving the initiative away and hoping Ajax won't suddenly start playing like they did before is not really something to boast about. It's not really a sign of strength, it something clubs like WBA do because they can't do the harder stuff. Schone might take his hat off for the way United did it, to me the cynical fouls, theatrics, and all kinds of time wasting like getting the handbags out to prevent Ajax from starting to play their game was not something to be proud of. Not if it was necessary to win and certainly not when it wasn't. It's methods like that made Mourinho successfull in the past, but I didn't expect referees to still let that happen.

Revisionism at it's worst, but you're entitled to your opinion.....deluded but you're still entitled to it.

 

[Jaxdan]

Don't get carried away, trying to get points for style has been a vulnerability in Dutch football in the past. But if we compare the success of typical Dutch football as it has been there in the last 50 years to English football, it's obvious that the Dutch have massively overachieved and the English painfully underachieved.

Despite playing their worst match since the beginning of the season, Ajax weren't the underachievers yesterday. With spending 10 times more in transfer fees and 15 times more in wages and having to resort to defensive tactics, giving the initiative away and hoping Ajax won't suddenly start playing like they did before is not really something to boast about. It's not really a sign of strength, it something clubs like WBA do because they can't do the harder stuff. Schone might take his hat off for the way United did it, to me the cynical fouls, theatrics, and all kinds of time wasting like getting the handbags out to prevent Ajax from starting to play their game was not something to be proud of. Not if it was necessary to win and certainly not when it wasn't. It's methods like that made Mourinho successfull in the past, but I didn't expect referees to still let that happen.

Always somebody at the party that wants to piss in the punch bowl.

 

[ravi2]

Don't get carried away, trying to get points for style has been a vulnerability in Dutch football in the past. But if we compare the success of typical Dutch football as it has been there in the last 50 years to English football, it's obvious that the Dutch have massively overachieved and the English painfully underachieved.

Despite playing their worst match since the beginning of the season, Ajax weren't the underachievers yesterday. With spending 10 times more in transfer fees and 15 times more in wages and having to resort to defensive tactics, giving the initiative away and hoping Ajax won't suddenly start playing like they did before is not really something to boast about. It's not really a sign of strength, it something clubs like WBA do because they can't do the harder stuff. Schone might take his hat off for the way United did it, to me the cynical fouls, theatrics, and all kinds of time wasting like getting the handbags out to prevent Ajax from starting to play their game was not something to be proud of. Not if it was necessary to win and certainly not when it wasn't. It's methods like that made Mourinho successfull in the past, but I didn't expect referees to still let that happen.

I didn't think it was possible, but your posts are actually getting worse. Are you really a United fan?

 

[Akshay]

Despite playing their worst match since the beginning of the season, Ajax weren't the underachievers yesterday. With spending 10 times more in transfer fees and 15 times more in wages and having to resort to defensive tactics, giving the initiative away and hoping Ajax won't suddenly start playing like they did before is not really something to boast about. It's not really a sign of strength, it something clubs like WBA do because they can't do the harder stuff. Schone might take his hat off for the way United did it, to me the cynical fouls, theatrics, and all kinds of time wasting like getting the handbags out to prevent Ajax from starting to play their game was not something to be proud of. Not if it was necessary to win and certainly not when it wasn't. It's methods like that made Mourinho successfull in the past, but I didn't expect referees to still let that happen.

Man if I tried to make a parody account of you I'd still get nowhere near the real deal. I'm sure Jonno of RAWK is immensely proud of you.

 

[Jetrooooo]

Funny that Schone says that, because he was the worst player on the pitch yesterday by a mile. Shouldve been subbed of at half-time. Anyway Man UTD and especially Mourinho are not popular in the Netherlands. They would just say they got outclassed if Mourinho wasn't the coach. Altough <35% possession was very low. But who cares about that stat.

Good to be hated again. They fear us!

 

[Random Task]

I am so proud of them tonight, so I hate the criticism. It is all about winning. I am a right little firebrand on the quiet.

Quite.

For me, the entire season in terms of success rested entirely on the outcome of this game and the lads did not let us down. We won the game as convincingly as anyone could win a European final. There is quite literally nothing to complain about in all honesty.

Enjoy the win, revel in it. We're back where we belong among Europe's elite and with Jose at the helm, anything is possible next season.

 

[Massive Spanner]

Don't get carried away, trying to get points for style has been a vulnerability in Dutch football in the past. But if we compare the success of typical Dutch football as it has been there in the last 50 years to English football, it's obvious that the Dutch have massively overachieved and the English painfully underachieved.

Despite playing their worst match since the beginning of the season, Ajax weren't the underachievers yesterday. With spending 10 times more in transfer fees and 15 times more in wages and having to resort to defensive tactics, giving the initiative away and hoping Ajax won't suddenly start playing like they did before is not really something to boast about. It's not really a sign of strength, it something clubs like WBA do because they can't do the harder stuff. Schone might take his hat off for the way United did it, to me the cynical fouls, theatrics, and all kinds of time wasting like getting the handbags out to prevent Ajax from starting to play their game was not something to be proud of. Not if it was necessary to win and certainly not when it wasn't. It's methods like that made Mourinho successfull in the past, but I didn't expect referees to still let that happen.

You are a sad, lonely little man, and I pity you.

 

[Random Task]

A fact that many of us were aware of but when put across in Twitter form, it becomes all the more relevant.

 

[Jazz]

Dark was the night in Manchester a few days ago. While this trophy will not make it a sunny day, it at least will be a reflection of light for the City. Say the moon and some stars to be guided by. Hope for tomorrow.

As an Ajax fan it's easy to come here and be sour. But it's of no use. I would ask my fellow Ajax fans just to man up. Be happy for what we have shown so far and what we have reached. Let's not be the fly in a good soup or a hair in a tasty cocktail.

Football is not played one way. Finals are hardly beautiful games. We knew we had to play a 9/10 to make a chance. But instead we were a 6/10. Whether it was inexperience, nerves, pressure of the game, too long between last match and finals,it doesnt matter.

I dont like Mourinho's professional personality and his style of play. But he got it spot on. He won the trophy and thats what matters.

Congrats United. Enjoy it as much you can.
And forgive my fellow fans for being, as I am too, disappointed for losing the final.

Very nice post. Thanks mate. Good luck to the Ajax team. Pretty sure they'll learn from this experience.

 

[Jazz]

There are quite a number of us where I work. The floor where I work has been buzzing all morning.

Same here, we're all still buzzing!

As for Schone's comments, you play a final to win it anyway you can - that's the end product after all. I don't get comments like his because they all know how Mourinho sets up his team for the most part, it's their responsibility to have a plan to counteract that. Nobody plays the way their opponents want them to.

 

[K2K]

Don't get carried away, trying to get points for style has been a vulnerability in Dutch football in the past. But if we compare the success of typical Dutch football as it has been there in the last 50 years to English football, it's obvious that the Dutch have massively overachieved and the English painfully underachieved.

Despite playing their worst match since the beginning of the season, Ajax weren't the underachievers yesterday. With spending 10 times more in transfer fees and 15 times more in wages and having to resort to defensive tactics, giving the initiative away and hoping Ajax won't suddenly start playing like they did before is not really something to boast about. It's not really a sign of strength, it something clubs like WBA do because they can't do the harder stuff. Schone might take his hat off for the way United did it, to me the cynical fouls, theatrics, and all kinds of time wasting like getting the handbags out to prevent Ajax from starting to play their game was not something to be proud of. Not if it was necessary to win and certainly not when it wasn't. It's methods like that made Mourinho successfull in the past, but I didn't expect referees to still let that happen.

Yet for all their supposed success, the Dutch have an identical honours list to Greece, Denmark and Czechoslovakia.

And while England have underachieved, they have a 100% record in world cup finals. The Dutch has a 0% from 3 finals. Which basically reinforces the point of them being lovable losers with great style but little to show for it. Compare that to a powerhouse like Germany who are far superior and far less preachy about the their football style.

That great style will probably see them enjoy another Summer off next year.

 

[K2K]

I am so happy.

This.

This is as happy as I've been over a trophy in years.

 

[Jonnymufc]

Just would like to say a word for the Ajax fans last night. They all hung around for the trophy presentation and applauded us when we went up. Guard of honour also formed for the presentation.

Chatted to lots of them after the match and they were bitterly disappointed but knew they had no answers to us. Fair play to them for their sportsmanship. In stark contrast to their manager I must say.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

You are a sad, lonely little man, and I pity you.

 

[Jaxdan]

Just would like to say a word for the Ajax fans last night. They all hung around for the trophy presentation and applauded us when we went up. Guard of honour also formed for the presentation.

Chatted to lots of them after the match and they were bitterly disappointed but knew they had no answers to us. Fair play to them for their sportsmanship. In stark contrast to their manager I must say.

Saw some Twitter videos supposedly of some of their fans throwing seats onto the pitch. It looked legit. Did you see any of that?

 

[Ban]

Don't get carried away, trying to get points for style has been a vulnerability in Dutch football in the past. But if we compare the success of typical Dutch football as it has been there in the last 50 years to English football, it's obvious that the Dutch have massively overachieved and the English painfully underachieved.

Despite playing their worst match since the beginning of the season, Ajax weren't the underachievers yesterday. With spending 10 times more in transfer fees and 15 times more in wages and having to resort to defensive tactics, giving the initiative away and hoping Ajax won't suddenly start playing like they did before is not really something to boast about. It's not really a sign of strength, it something clubs like WBA do because they can't do the harder stuff. Schone might take his hat off for the way United did it, to me the cynical fouls, theatrics, and all kinds of time wasting like getting the handbags out to prevent Ajax from starting to play their game was not something to be proud of. Not if it was necessary to win and certainly not when it wasn't. It's methods like that made Mourinho successfull in the past, but I didn't expect referees to still let that happen.

You make me sick. Are you even an United fan?

 

[2 man midfield]

Hilarous ratings in the Metro. Not sure what game they were watching. They gave darmian 5/10, saying he was troubled all night while Rashford got 7/10 because his "pace worried the Ajax centre backs"

Wasn't it proven a while ago that in some of the late night games they basically just write those before the game?

 

[Inigo Montoya]

You make me sick. Are you even an United fan?

I'm just loving the reaction to his comments

 

[Inigo Montoya]

Wasn't it proven a while ago that in some of the late night games they basically just write those before the game?

As long as they wrote it as 2-0 to Utd, I don't give a shit

 

[Desert Eagle]

Fact: Jose Mourinho has won more trophies in his first United season than Spurs & Liverpool in the last 10 years combined.

In case anyone missed it

 

[Theonas]

Yet for all their supposed success, the Dutch have an identical honours list to Greece, Denmark and Czechoslovakia.

And while England have underachieved, they have a 100% record in world cup finals. The Dutch has a 0% from 3 finals. Which basically reinforces the point of them being lovable losers with great style but little to show for it. Compare that to a powerhouse like Germany who are far superior and far less preachy about the their football style.

That great style will probably see them enjoy another Summer off next year.

If you believe that, it's a real oddity for a football fan. To downplay Dutch football achievements is truly bizarre. We are talking about some of the major influences in football past and present. Some of the most influential managers and influential players whose blueprints are still being used today by very successful teams indeed. They haven't won a world cup but they have reached 3 finals and won the Euro whereas Ajax have dominated Europeans football and is the main influence behind arguably the greatest team of all time in Barcelona. All of this while playing a type of football that is loved the world over. If you think that amounts to lovable losers, I'd really like to know what your standards are for greatness.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

Saw some Twitter videos supposedly of some of their fans throwing seats onto the pitch. It looked legit. Did you see any of that?

Probably for their team to sit down afterwards they were so deflated

 

[Massive Spanner]

I'm just loving the reaction to his comments

you know mine's a joke right? It's out of Toy Story!

 

[Fuzzy Dunlop]

Schöne likes to play football? Well, he can always see clips of Fellaini doing cruyff turns and dribbling past ajax players. That's football, right?

 

[TheReligion]

Don't get carried away, trying to get points for style has been a vulnerability in Dutch football in the past. But if we compare the success of typical Dutch football as it has been there in the last 50 years to English football, it's obvious that the Dutch have massively overachieved and the English painfully underachieved.

Despite playing their worst match since the beginning of the season, Ajax weren't the underachievers yesterday. With spending 10 times more in transfer fees and 15 times more in wages and having to resort to defensive tactics, giving the initiative away and hoping Ajax won't suddenly start playing like they did before is not really something to boast about. It's not really a sign of strength, it something clubs like WBA do because they can't do the harder stuff. Schone might take his hat off for the way United did it, to me the cynical fouls, theatrics, and all kinds of time wasting like getting the handbags out to prevent Ajax from starting to play their game was not something to be proud of. Not if it was necessary to win and certainly not when it wasn't. It's methods like that made Mourinho successfull in the past, but I didn't expect referees to still let that happen.

After all the disrespectful talk before the game you're back with your tail between your legs.

What a sorry sight.

 

[Danillaco]

It feels like the refurbished Starship United has finally applied its thrusters and has escaped the gravitational pull of Planet Moyes.
One small step for Mou.....

We know the real hero here. Your dog. Salute him, sir.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

you know mine's a joke right? It's out of Toy Story!

I know , I was looking for a meme but don't think it'd be allowed

 

[EyeInTheSky]

Yeah, well, more than fine. Is that not what buzzing means now? Am I getting old?

lol, sorry I thought you would get that I was going on about the new song we sing at away games "woke up this morning feeling fine, got united on my mind "

 

[Catt]

Thank you, that is very generous of you . Look at my shiny new tagline .

Nice.

 

[Dr. Funkenstein]

I didn't think it was possible, but your posts are actually getting worse. Are you really a United fan?

I started to really suck at it this season, I'm well aware of that.

Funny that Schone says that, because he was the worst player on the pitch yesterday by a mile. Shouldve been subbed of at half-time. Anyway Man UTD and especially Mourinho are not popular in the Netherlands. They would just say they got outclassed if Mourinho wasn't the coach. Altough <35% possession was very low. But who cares about that stat.

Another stat is that Ajax had 17 shots, a few months ago a stat like that was proof here of an usually unlucky draw through extremely poor finishing. Ajax never really started playing and never made the impression they could win it, but that's widely acknowledged and there's even admiration for Mourinho not giving a shit, despite the fact that they know next year they'll have to cover United's matches in the CL and pretend is going to be worth a view.

Yet for all their supposed success, the Dutch have an identical honours list to Greece, Denmark and Czechoslovakia.

And while England have underachieved, they have a 100% record in world cup finals. The Dutch has a 0% from 3 finals. Which basically reinforces the point of them being lovable losers with great style but little to show for it.

Attitude has changed and in 2010 and 2014 the approach was entirely result-minded, while in 2010 the lack of style was harmful to the result. Before the late 60's Dutch football was about English managers and Dutch managers copying English managers, it's only after the introduction of the own Dutch style that Dutch football took off and outperformed much bigger countries like England by a mile, at least they can play with the big boys. Also on club level and it's doing much better when you take size and money into account so the style has helped a lot.

Compare that to a powerhouse like Germany who are far superior and far less preachy about the their football style.

It's not entirely their style. When their national team was in shambles in 2000, they went to their neighbours to ask for help, and those were so full of themselves and preachy that they gave them help, for free. You've got a point there, they're a bit like evangelists, sending missionaries to Spain, inviting Germans, now it's probably China. But the Germans are open to learn and adapt, that's how they've become successfull again. Having a plan how to create chances and score goals really works in football.

 

[Rusholme Ruffian]

If you believe that, it's a real oddity for a football fan. To downplay Dutch football achievements is truly bizarre. We are talking about some of the major influences in football past and present. Some of the most influential managers and influential players whose blueprints are still being used today by very successful teams indeed. They haven't won a world cup but they have reached 3 finals and won the Euro whereas Ajax have dominated Europeans football and is the main influence behind arguably the greatest team of all time in Barcelona. All of this while playing a type of football that is loved the world over. If you think that amounts to lovable losers, I'd really like to know what your standards are for greatness.

Ajax haven't dominated in 25 years! All this influence shizzle is overdone imho, plenty of massively successful clubs have little to no Dutch influence in their style of play.

 

[K2K]

I started to really suck at it this season, I'm well aware of that.


Another stat is that Ajax had 17 shots, a few months ago a stat like that was proof here of an usually unlucky draw through extremely poor finishing. Ajax never really started playing and never made the impression they could win it, but that's widely acknowledged and there's even admiration for Mourinho not giving a shit, despite the fact that they know next year they'll have to cover United's matches in the CL and pretend is going to be worth a view.


Attitude has changed and in 2010 and 2014 the approach was entirely result-minded, while in 2010 the lack of style was harmful to the result. Before the late 60's Dutch football was about English managers and Dutch managers copying English managers, it's only after the introduction of the own Dutch style that Dutch football took off and outperformed much bigger countries like England by a mile, at least they can play with the big boys. Also on club level and it's doing much better when you take size and money into account so the style has helped a lot.

It's not entirely their style. When their national team was in shambles in 2000, they went to their neighbours to ask for help, and those were so full of themselves and preachy that they gave them help, for free. You've got a point there, they're a bit like evangelists, sending missionaries to Spain, inviting Germans, now it's probably China. But the Germans are open to learn and adapt, that's how they've become successfull again. Having a plan how to create chances and score goals really works in football.

It's a pity that those methods have not led to success for the Dutch themselves.

Germany have won a major trophy every decade bar 1 since the 70's. They just tend to know how to win. Sadly it doesn't extend to their Dutch cousins.

And is this the same shambles in the 2000s that had the Germans getting to the world cup final in 2002 while the Dutch innovators and the great Van Gaal were being humiliated by the great Mick McCarthy in the qualifiers?

 

[Theonas]

Ajax haven't dominated in 25 years! All this influence shizzle is overdone imho, plenty of massively successful clubs have little to no Dutch influence in their style of play.

The original argument spoke about them not winning a WC as opposed to England winning one so it was clearly taking historical consideration. It is not overdone and the fact that other successful clubs do not play their style has nothing to do with it. The two are not mutually exclusive in any way. If the original argument was that Dutch football is the bestest ever and only way to play, you would have a point. I did not say that however, I said that to downplay it as some sort of overhyped lovable losers is ridiculous.

 

[Kostur]

There are quite a number of us where I work. The floor where I work has been buzzing all morning.

Those cnuts at Ajax are fecking brainwashed en masse. Butthurt cnut.

 

[Rusholme Ruffian]

The original argument spoke about them not winning a WC as opposed to England winning one so it was clearly taking historical consideration. It is not overdone and the fact that other successful clubs do not play their style has nothing to do with it. The two are not mutually exclusive in any way. If the original argument was that Dutch football is the bestest ever and only way to play, you would have a point. I did not say that however, I said that to downplay it as some sort of overhyped lovable losers is ridiculous.

Dude, you're just obsessed with a particular style of football, just relax and enjoy our win, who gives a shit about style today?

 

[Theonas]

It's a pity that those methods have not led to success for the Dutch themselves.

Germany have won a major trophy every decade bar 1 since the 70's. They just tend to know how to win. Sadly it doesn't extend to their Dutch cousins.

And is this the same shambles in the 2000s that had the Germans getting to the world cup final in 2002 while the Dutch innovators and the great Van Gaal were being humiliated by the great Mick McCarthy in the qualifiers?

Is this a serious post? You pick a bad event to knock one of the greatest footballing nations? Talk about overreacting to the result of a football match. And you cannot just compare countries like that without looking at their resources. Germany, like Italy and Brazil have 4 or 5 times at least the population of the Holland, the fact that they ever stand together in this discussion is a compliment to Dutch football.

 

[Rusholme Ruffian]

All this claptrap about style anyway, I never once considered possession when evaluating a game until they started flashing the stats up on TV about 10 years ago. Any monkey brained fool could see after watching the first half of yesterday's game that even if Ajax had had 65% of the possession it was us that looked the most dangerous, the most incisive and the most in control. If we'd had a Messi/Ronaldo/Bale/Griezman/Robben we'd have absolutely pulverised them.