This. This annoys me the feck out, even when our players do it. The game is about entertainment, one game only lasts 90 minutes. I feel roobed every time I have to see a top trained athlete walk slowly to the sideline as if he's just ran an ultra-marathon. Have some decency for Christ's sake.
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Chelsea 1:0 Manchester United
Post-match discussion
Sat, 18 April 2015
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This. This annoys me the feck out, even when our players do it. The game is about entertainment, one game only lasts 90 minutes. I feel roobed every time I have to see a top trained athlete walk slowly to the sideline as if he's just ran an ultra-marathon. Have some decency for Christ's sake.
Definition of insanity is doing the same thing over expecting a different result. why keep playing falcao if he wasn't good enough previously?
I would've bitten your hand for a draw here but it wasn't meant to be
You can bet your bottom dollar Chelsea let us have all the possession. We played into their hands.
Parhaps a bit too early for a starting role but I guess it depends on who we can get during the transfermarket to play next to Smalling. IF we can get someone better then McNair is good to have on the bench. If we have to keep playing with Jones I am not so sure on who the starter would be (next year)
All be it a decent performance in some eyes. We've just lost to a team containing Terry and Drogba.
Which injury forced you to play Zouma in midfield?
Yeah you had a 37 year old Drgoba up front (or was it DM?), but we had a striker who played like he was 37.
Not to mention having to play Rooney & Herrera out of position and 2 youngsters in defence neither of which have played a lot of football recently.
Fair play to Chelsea for grinding out a win but lets not pretend this wasn't Chelsea's best team bar Costa.
Playing Fellaini in midfield today was pointless, Zouma did a job on him. We should have let Di Maria run rings around Zouma instead - if Fellaini can't be trusted as the defensive midfielder then the only position for him today should have been upfront instead of Falcao.
We did very well and probably would have got a draw with a proper defensive midfielder who could have cut out Hazards run for the goal. Limited them to two shots on target which is very impressive at Stamford bridge.
Perhaps we should have just sat back and played for the draw as well. Either way the result is meaningless really so not too bothered
Perhaps we should have just sat back and played for the draw as well. Either way the result is meaningless really so not too bothered
Well, in this case: HAPPY
The cult of Maureen knows no limits. Presumably they let Rooney have a free header and Falcao go in on goal when he hit the post as well.
We played right into Chelsea's hands. Mourinho best in the world. Such defense. Much tackle. Wow.
Nah the outrage on here would have melted the site.
They won UCL practically using the same type of football, with a squad that still was mostly built by Mourinho to be fair.
Defensive football - if implemented well - delivers. And in my opinion is quite entertaining (I know many people who agree with that). From Herrera to Sacchi, Trappatoni, Capello to Mourinho it has always been present in football, in the very top. And there isn't any type of football which leaves you more pissed off when you lose against.
But in reality, there is nothing wrong with it. Like other brands of football, is just a choice. Football is for maximizing the difference between goals scored and goals conceded. You can do it by maximizing the former, minimizing the later, or a combination. Mourinho has made his choice and on the next 3 weeks, he'll win his eighth league trophy and already is one of the all time bests manager, with a large shoot of going in history as the greatest.
People might hate or dislike or get pissed of, but there is nothing wrong with it IMO, and I doubt that either him, his players or his fans are embarrased today. At the contrary, they are very happy.
Saying that, I think that in long term, an attacking brand of football has more potential, and it gives you a better feeling. Even when you lose it is quite acceptable, while playing defensively and losing is the worst feeling in football.
I think some people are going overboard with the praise of the performance. I thought we did okay, but once Chelsea got a feel of how we were playing, I thought they were the better team. We really didn't test Courtois enough and Chelsea seemed pretty comfortable defending against us. Sure we had a lot of the ball, but Chelsea weren't playing to have a lot of possession. Disappointing I thought.
Considering the injuries we had, I think we can be content enough with the performance.
Considering the injuries we had, I think we can be content enough with the performance.
Proud of our performance today. We will turn over this blue lot next season. We dominated, we were the better team. Many thanks to our players and the manager. One more transfer season and we will be good to go for our 21st league title. I fully expect us to win it next season and progress in CL further than any other English team. One Love, One United.
Agreed.
Yup. All of that was calculated as well. Even before the game Mourinho knew Carrick would be injured.
To be serious for one moment though, when Falcao went on goal I never had any hope he'd bury it.
My strongest feeling at the end of this game was generally being glad that I'm a United fan not a Chelsea fan.* They Mourinho'd us perfectly - Van Gaal probably saw it coming but still couldn't do that much about it, and whilst a bit of luck could have seen a different result (we certainly had more attacks and more shots than Mourinho would have liked), you have to say they did what they planned to do and got the reward for it.
Call it sour grapes if you like, I promise it's not. I expected a loss here and take my hat off to them for how brilliant they are at doing this. Because we didn't need to win this game, I don't feel too put out by the defeat, especially with lots of important players missing for us. But I'd always choose to support a team who try to do what we tried to do than a team whose big wins against big teams will so often see them willingly conceding 70%+ possession and mostly just defending for 90 minutes. However well executed it is, it can't be much fun to watch.
I can't help but also feel like there's a link between the way Mourinho's Chelsea do this against big PL rivals and the way they have gone out of the CL disappointingly in the last two seasons. They have no positive game plan against big teams. PSG were, on paper, the weaker side both this year and last year. Under a positive manager like Guardiola, Ancelotti or even Van Gaal they'd have gone out aggressively and walked it both times. Instead they did a sort of semi-Mourinho, neither exactly parking the bus nor setting out to attack and win, and were fortunate to scrape through the tie last season, and lost it this year. Similarly they had no real idea how to play against Atletico in the semi last year, a team who don't try to dominate possession and thus play into Mourinho's hands, and again they looked strategy-less and out of their depth.
On paper, that team should be able to play an expansive, attacking game and be a good match for anyone in the world. But under Mourinho they will never be comfortable doing that, and if I was a Chelsea fan I'd be worried about how they're going to make progress against the big boys in Europe unless Mourinho dramatically changes his tack.
*Obviously this is only the case because we didn't really need to win this game. If this had cost us our top four position I would be deeply envious of the Chelsea fans!
Call it sour grapes if you like, I promise it's not. I expected a loss here and take my hat off to them for how brilliant they are at doing this. Because we didn't need to win this game, I don't feel too put out by the defeat, especially with lots of important players missing for us. But I'd always choose to support a team who try to do what we tried to do than a team whose big wins against big teams will so often see them willingly conceding 70%+ possession and mostly just defending for 90 minutes. However well executed it is, it can't be much fun to watch.
I can't help but also feel like there's a link between the way Mourinho's Chelsea do this against big PL rivals and the way they have gone out of the CL disappointingly in the last two seasons. They have no positive game plan against big teams. PSG were, on paper, the weaker side both this year and last year. Under a positive manager like Guardiola, Ancelotti or even Van Gaal they'd have gone out aggressively and walked it both times. Instead they did a sort of semi-Mourinho, neither exactly parking the bus nor setting out to attack and win, and were fortunate to scrape through the tie last season, and lost it this year. Similarly they had no real idea how to play against Atletico in the semi last year, a team who don't try to dominate possession and thus play into Mourinho's hands, and again they looked strategy-less and out of their depth.
On paper, that team should be able to play an expansive, attacking game and be a good match for anyone in the world. But under Mourinho they will never be comfortable doing that, and if I was a Chelsea fan I'd be worried about how they're going to make progress against the big boys in Europe unless Mourinho dramatically changes his tack.
*Obviously this is only the case because we didn't really need to win this game. If this had cost us our top four position I would be deeply envious of the Chelsea fans!
If we had Carrick or Blind we would have drawn at least.Having one of them,Rooney up front,Herrera in his best position would have helped immensely.Even so,we played all the football today and there was clear progress to be seen.Particularily happy with Shaw and McNair coming into the team, huge potential there.
As far as next season goes we need to strengthen but clearly so do Chelsea.They bot all they are made out to be.They need a dynmanic presence in midfield.All in all I am very optimistic about next season.
As far as next season goes we need to strengthen but clearly so do Chelsea.They bot all they are made out to be.They need a dynmanic presence in midfield.All in all I am very optimistic about next season.
There is a significant difference between playing defensively and having a great defense.
he knew before the city game Carrick would be injured. All went perfectly
The problem for me is that I don't think trying to be defensively solid has to be about taking it to this extreme, you can be solid enough while trying to be aggressive at least at home. They played with similar tactics vs PSG and even after PSG went down to 10 they showed no desire to win the game and ended up paying for it. In the end they have every right to play as they want but I know that most United fans wouldn't be happy with just winning while playing like this
All of the managers I mentioned played defensively. Capello won the strongest league in the world by scoring only 34 goals for example.
We were alright. Didn't offer anything where it mattered. Falcao is shite.
1. I'm disappointed we didn't have a more effective plan for breaking down the Chelsea bus, LVG must of known it was coming
2. Chelsea have a style of play. We have a style of play, mocking them for their style when they just beat us smacks of sour grapes
3. Our strength in depth is a real concern
4. Happy for Shaw, he needed a good performance
5. No shame to losing to the best team in the league at SB. They didn't run us off the field and had to work for their points
6. Feeling very confident about the direction the team is taking
2. Chelsea have a style of play. We have a style of play, mocking them for their style when they just beat us smacks of sour grapes
3. Our strength in depth is a real concern
4. Happy for Shaw, he needed a good performance
5. No shame to losing to the best team in the league at SB. They didn't run us off the field and had to work for their points
6. Feeling very confident about the direction the team is taking
Annoyed as hell with the result.
Chelsea are methodical and it's your typical Jose performance.
Drogba play-acting like it's 2006. Tit
Shaw, McNair, Valencia & Smalling were all very good.
If Carrick's fit today & Rooney plays up top we're coming home with the points
Disappointed but very optimistic after that performance
If Chelsea are the best team in the League then we have absolutely nothing whatsoever to fear next season.
Chelsea are methodical and it's your typical Jose performance.
Drogba play-acting like it's 2006. Tit
Shaw, McNair, Valencia & Smalling were all very good.
If Carrick's fit today & Rooney plays up top we're coming home with the points
Disappointed but very optimistic after that performance
If Chelsea are the best team in the League then we have absolutely nothing whatsoever to fear next season.
71% possession at the Bridge? Impressive.
The fact that we did feck all with it is what is a tad bit annoying.
The fact that we did feck all with it is what is a tad bit annoying.
Of course. As a matter of fact you don't have to be defensive at all. Or attacking, posession-based etc. It is a choice.
On Italy for example, no one would have had a problem with today's win. On Madrid, people would be booing their own team. It depends a but on the culture.
But for what is worth, defensive football isn't a bad brand. Is just a brand like any other.
The only bad thing of it is just usually it doesn't last long. Or at least, it isn't succesful for a long time, and it rarely happens to create a dynasty by playing it. It also is a better feeling when regardless of the opponent you play your way (Pep, LVG) rather than changing your tactics to neutralize the other team.
You still think City's ceilling's higher?
I thought today was a testiment to your strengh in depth. You had what, 4-5 players out and could easliy have got a point or 3 today.
It was a loss. Disappointing but not "concerning".
How you can watch that type of football. week after week, is beyond me.
It gets results etc and is effective but, Christ it is awful to watch
I'll support Chelsea though thick and thin. When the going gets tough, the duffer keeps watching.
Why was Louis so pissed off in his interview?
would you enjoy the chelsea performance today if you're a neutral ? When they made 2 subs in 10 seconds of each other if you were in the stadium having paid big money for a ticket would you have enjoyed that
Cant go to wings now
Nobody who isnt an idiot would say it was concerning
Well, I quite enjoyed Inter's victory against Bayern on 2011 for example, which was quite similar to this. So yeah, it is possible that I would have enjoyed it.
true
"Me and Ryan went to Pizza Hut instead...He ordered the cheese and tomato. I had pepperoni. Louis is king again!"
If players were playing where they normally do, we would have done a lot with it. Damn injuries.
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Man of the Match
Runners-up
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17%
Ander Herrera
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10%
Paddy McNair
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6%
Chris Smalling
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3%
Wayne Rooney
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2%
Antonio Valencia
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1%
Ashley Young
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1%
Radamel Falcao
Player Ratings
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Compiled from 587 ratings.
Score Predictions
327,129,245
- Man Utd win
- Chelsea win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 25% Chelsea 1:2 Man Utd
- 25% Chelsea 1:1 Man Utd
- 9% Chelsea 2:1 Man Utd
- 6% Chelsea 2:2 Man Utd
- 6% Chelsea 1:3 Man Utd
- 5% Chelsea 0:1 Man Utd
- 4% Chelsea 0:2 Man Utd
- 4% Chelsea 0:0 Man Utd
- 4% Chelsea 2:0 Man Utd
- 3% Chelsea 2:3 Man Utd
- 2% Chelsea 3:1 Man Utd
- 2% Chelsea 0:5 Man Utd
- 2% Chelsea 1:0 Man Utd
- 1% Chelsea 3:0 Man Utd
- 1% Chelsea 0:3 Man Utd
- 1% Chelsea 3:2 Man Utd
- 0% Chelsea 2:5 Man Utd
- 0% Chelsea 1:5 Man Utd
- 0% Chelsea 2:4 Man Utd
- 0% Chelsea 1:4 Man Utd
- 0% Chelsea 3:3 Man Utd
- 0% Chelsea 5:0 Man Utd
- 0% Chelsea 0:4 Man Utd
Match Stats
- Chelsea
- Man Utd
- Possession
- 30% 70%
- Shots
- 7 15
- Shots on Target
- 2 2
- Corners
- 3 7
- Fouls
- 13 11
Referee
Mike Dean
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