Odd statistic: we had 3 players booked - all 3 subs
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Tottenham Hotspur 3:0 Manchester United
Post-match discussion
Sun, 10 April 2016
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5:46 – There were just 5 minutes and 46 seconds between Tottenham’s first and third goals against Manchester United. Quickfire.
5:46 – There were just 5 minutes and 46 seconds between Tottenham’s first and third goals against Manchester United. Quickfire.
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0 - Man Utd have failed to produce a single first half shot on target in both Premier League games v Spurs this season. Roadblock.
0 - Man Utd have failed to produce a single first half shot on target in both Premier League games v Spurs this season. Roadblock.
Maybe, but after the first 20 minutes we were on our back foot and second half we just crumbled. The nature of the subs and the response after the first goal points to why this was the poorest game. It wasn't the defeat as defeats go, it was the crumbling and collapse. Happy clappy with Spurs players after the game - sorry but this is not how we play football or behave after a defeat. This was patella to the 70s in the manner of collapse.
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Manchester United second-half average formation versus Tottenham. Beautifully balanced... #THFC #MUFC
Surprised Darmian was that high up the pitch to be honest.
Can we see one of these for Spurs? Just to compare
On current form, Fosuh-Mensah is United's best option at either right or left back, the guy looks like a real prospect; physical enough, but bags of composure and a bit of pace. Looking forward to next season, a back 4 of TFM at RB, Shaw at LB and Smalling/Blind in the middle in front of DDG looks, on paper, a good prospect. All depends who is in charge though I suppose.
I will try to find it.
In the meantime, another picture
Thats what 250mill+ buys you. Funny stuff.
Maybe, maybe not. But it's better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all. If we fail to win another trophy in my lifetime I've still seen more riches than any living spurs fan.
We've been 'blown away in five minutes' by a team who will most likely end the season without a trophy... like they have in around 22 of the last 25 years.
3 goals in 5 minutes? Embarrassing collapse. Played well otherwise. Eh, was going to be difficult, predicted a loss. They have momentum, we have nothing.
Van Gaal one step closer to the exit hopefully
Van Gaal one step closer to the exit hopefully
Today was the anniversary of the Stevie Bruce brace! We desperately need a fearless inspirational leader ... and a new manager!!
We've got away with being outplayed so many times this season, and today our luck ran completely out.
How can we expect to win games with 1 shot on target?
How can we expect to win games with 1 shot on target?
TFM will be a star as long as he keeps fit. LvG needs to go. Darmian needs a shave and a crash course in how to play RB in the PL this summer. Carrick is done - can play certain games but not these kind where pace and power are needed. Schnedierlin will have to step up/evovle. Herrera will ask for a tansfer if things continue the way they have been - should have played at some point. Valencia for TFM was the right sub - needed someone with pace & power to limit Rose - all 3 goals came from there. AShley Young is not a striker.
Oh and LvG needs to go.
Oh and LvG needs to go.
You forgot to mention LVG needs to go
I don't know if I can be objective about this, but are they really as good as we made them look? I mean, we made Lamela look like a superstar. Lamela. Players just seem to have good matches against us. After starting well our team was pretty disorganized, we didn't try to score, Matt Damon threw the match for the Italian mafia, and our manager is a clowndick.
Give me a better manager and a sensible lineup playing in position and we beat them.
I had to go out right at the final whistle so been pent up with rage all evening stewing on this result. Saying that, I did have 3-1 to Spurs in my predictions but I thought we played ok in flashes during the first half but there are so many average players in this United squad it's depressing. I just don't understand why Martial is stuck out wide?? Is van Gaal just paving the way for Rooney to be slotted straight back in up front? Seeing Carrick and Schneiders on the pitch together makes my blood boil every time. Darmian has regressed terribly and Blind used up all his credit from his MOM performance last time out.
Lamela missed a sitter but Martial had a few chances too but Spurs were still the better team on the day. Van Gaal just needs to go........pleeeeaaaaasssee!!!!
Lamela missed a sitter but Martial had a few chances too but Spurs were still the better team on the day. Van Gaal just needs to go........pleeeeaaaaasssee!!!!
We're not very good are we?
There. I've said it.
There. I've said it.
Can't even beat traffic 
Sack the idiot now. Right now. I have no delusions that I am a tactical genius when it comes to football, but playing Young up top was absolutely the most ridiculous thing I have seen LvG do since he's been here. Mata was having to footrace Rose on the sideline and he was offering absolutely nothing. Lingard offered nothing. He played Carrick...again. He played Carrick next to Schneiderlin...again.
I had to switch off around the 60 minute mark. We were playing well and the game was well balanced. Wtf happened?
Young was a stupid substitution and Lingard was exposed as being not quite up to it, at least in that position. Mata was as usual too slow and Mr Backpass.
Young was a stupid substitution and Lingard was exposed as being not quite up to it, at least in that position. Mata was as usual too slow and Mr Backpass.
- Zero support play from the midfield. Whenever we attacked it was "pass to Martial and let him run" while the only other players in heir half were Rashford standing with their backline and Lingard offering the pretence of a short option for Martial. Shocking. High school teams attack better.
- Young straight swap for Rashford. What-the fecking feck?
- Mata is too slow on the ball be it dribbling wise or playmaking.
- Zero movement.
- Hitting crosses and free kicks and corners into a box filled with Spurs defenders and 1 United attacker.
+ve : TFM has the potential.
- Young straight swap for Rashford. What-the fecking feck?
- Mata is too slow on the ball be it dribbling wise or playmaking.
- Zero movement.
- Hitting crosses and free kicks and corners into a box filled with Spurs defenders and 1 United attacker.
+ve : TFM has the potential.
Sometimes average players like Lamela play out of their skins, even against a great, which today United is not.
On the sentence I bolded, I've had that sense for a long time, even in the late Ferguson years. I can't think of any examples off the top of my head, but I'm sure if I started a thread asking this question caftards could come up with a pretty decent life of "performance of their career" performances against United.
We just need to acknowledge that Spurs were the better side going into the match and proved it without any shadow of a doubt. If our squad were at full strength and had Mourinho as manager I'm pretty sure we could have beaten Spurs. But we weren't, we don't and we didn't
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I think it's rather worrying that even Glaston doesn't care to rub it in anymore when in the years gone by he would have been crowning like a peacock and letting everyone know how Spurs are now better than United. Nowadays it is so obvious, he cannot even bring himself to WUM properly.
Van Gaal's comments after the match, on being asked about turning down Spurs to become our manager... I hate that he is speaking for our football club like this.
Possibly the worst display I've seen in a long time, tactically. Bringing on Young to play center-forward has to be the most compelling evidence ever for the statements di Maria made last week. It's easy to blame the players, but what on Earth was LvG playing at? Mata wide right, Lingard at #10 and Young up top with Martial wide left? It beggars belief that he managed to play all 4 in the wrong positions, while the same players could (potentially, based on matches in the recent past) have been a lot more effective played in their natural positions! Astounding is hardly the word. Was more like he was having a laugh...
Mata isn't the fastest, so he decides to put him up against a pacy wing-back. He knows Spurs use their FBs so plonks a potentially better defensive player (Young, since he's played FB) as central striker and puts a 19-year-old striker on the wing. Breathtaking. It's actually only thanks to de Gea (again) that the margin wasn't greater.
In the midfield, I shudder each time I see Carrick and Morgan on the pitch at the same time, I shudder a bit. Today was compelling evidence of the need to manage Carrick's appearances (if not sell him). This combination will never work. The fact that Herrera sits on the bench cooling his heels throughout initially made me wonder if he was actually not as good enough as I thought. On the evidence around though, it seems more likely that LvG is just being as twunt-y as possible though and just doesn't play him since he's more adventurous and may lose the ball...
The depressing part about the defeat wasn't the scoreline or the performance. It was the realization that we may well lose Herrera, Pereira and de Gea this summer because they're just (probably) not masochistic enough to continue here. With both Herrera and Pereira, I would be fine if we'd seen that they weren't good enough. The pain stems from the fact that they may well be of the required quality but are being held back by the idiot in charge. And still Ed holds fire and LvG continues to mystify.
Oh and yes, for those that will point to Rashford, TFM and CBJ as evidence that LvG is good with youth and therefore likely just doesn't rate Pereira, the fact is that those 3 played only because of a genuine lack of any options. Today was also evidence that he doesn't trust them. By bringing on Young to play Rashford's position, LvG undermined every single credit he's been afforded for how he's "brought through" Rashford... It'd be different if Young had played left and Martial taken the central spot. Playing Young there... (Yes, I know. I just can't get over it...)
Mata isn't the fastest, so he decides to put him up against a pacy wing-back. He knows Spurs use their FBs so plonks a potentially better defensive player (Young, since he's played FB) as central striker and puts a 19-year-old striker on the wing. Breathtaking. It's actually only thanks to de Gea (again) that the margin wasn't greater.
In the midfield, I shudder each time I see Carrick and Morgan on the pitch at the same time, I shudder a bit. Today was compelling evidence of the need to manage Carrick's appearances (if not sell him). This combination will never work. The fact that Herrera sits on the bench cooling his heels throughout initially made me wonder if he was actually not as good enough as I thought. On the evidence around though, it seems more likely that LvG is just being as twunt-y as possible though and just doesn't play him since he's more adventurous and may lose the ball...
The depressing part about the defeat wasn't the scoreline or the performance. It was the realization that we may well lose Herrera, Pereira and de Gea this summer because they're just (probably) not masochistic enough to continue here. With both Herrera and Pereira, I would be fine if we'd seen that they weren't good enough. The pain stems from the fact that they may well be of the required quality but are being held back by the idiot in charge. And still Ed holds fire and LvG continues to mystify.
Oh and yes, for those that will point to Rashford, TFM and CBJ as evidence that LvG is good with youth and therefore likely just doesn't rate Pereira, the fact is that those 3 played only because of a genuine lack of any options. Today was also evidence that he doesn't trust them. By bringing on Young to play Rashford's position, LvG undermined every single credit he's been afforded for how he's "brought through" Rashford... It'd be different if Young had played left and Martial taken the central spot. Playing Young there... (Yes, I know. I just can't get over it...)
Herrera not starting was a goddamn joke. As was him not coming on.
We have 6 players that are definitely very good footballers (De Gea, Shaw, Martial, Smalling, Herrera, Mata) and we can't really afford not to use all of them. Yet Van Gaal ignores one so that Carrick and Lingard can be in the midfield trio? Think about that, it's insane.
We have 6 players that are definitely very good footballers (De Gea, Shaw, Martial, Smalling, Herrera, Mata) and we can't really afford not to use all of them. Yet Van Gaal ignores one so that Carrick and Lingard can be in the midfield trio? Think about that, it's insane.
Leicester will be given minus 4 points if we beat them?
What happen to our right wing, literally no one playing there and most of the attack from Spurs came from their left.
We invited pressure on our right and the poor substitution along with players not played at their best position.
Mata playing too deep and our creativity from central and the right wing was non existence.
At least by the half time LVG should have changed the position on front four.Second half its all wrong substitution.
No Valencia and no Herrera and taking off Rashford.I was expecting a point from this fixture and its all poor management from LVG. Not taking any credit away from Spurs they played brilliantly keeping pressure on our weaker side and that paid off and 2 of their goals came from their left.
We invited pressure on our right and the poor substitution along with players not played at their best position.
Mata playing too deep and our creativity from central and the right wing was non existence.
At least by the half time LVG should have changed the position on front four.Second half its all wrong substitution.
No Valencia and no Herrera and taking off Rashford.I was expecting a point from this fixture and its all poor management from LVG. Not taking any credit away from Spurs they played brilliantly keeping pressure on our weaker side and that paid off and 2 of their goals came from their left.
Was a very disappointing game. No Attacking intent except for Martial. Midfield was all over the place and there didn't seem to be much team cohesion. There was a time when United would struggle to break down the opposition and then out of nowhere in the 85th minute, we would score one, and then another, and then another. Now something similar being done to us is probably the worst feeling I can feel. There are no strong personalities in that dressing room. People who know how to take a hit and come back stronger.
This part is because of the formation. Mata is slow and that's why he's the biggest liability when playing wide - specially against a pacy wing-back / winger. As things were, he was therefore forced to stay deep to offset his lack of pace when faced with an advancing Spurs player or even just to cover the situation in case we lost the ball. This also meant we couldn't attack down our right and completed the vicious cycle, as it freed the Spurs winger and FB to play further forward - further pinning back Mata. Anyone in their right mind would see this and exploit the opportunity to run at him / this flank and Poch is a smart manager.
Once Darmian came in, the folly of this tactic became even more apparent. Darmian's lack of outright pace coupled with positional indiscipline meant that we were completely exposed on our right. Having Mata on the right was madness.
I had both Valencia and Herrera in my team, I thought there was no way he would start with Carrick after hauling him off. TFM did well though. Carrick might as well not be there. When he brought Young on I thought Rojo was off again, then when I realised it was Rashford coming off I thought Ok Martial up front. Not with our manager. He has lost his marbles. When Mata got picked on, if Herrera had been on the pitch it would have been another Gerrard moment. He would not have just stood there and let it happen. LvG has to go for the clubs sake and for the sake of the players and our sanity.
The season just needs to end now, there's only so much disappointment I can take.....
I have no idea why Lingard played at no.10,he lacks creativity,he could have been moved to right wing to check on their RB at least at the half way of the match or could have started with Valencia with RW. Mata should have started at NO.10, this was a concern from start of season, LVG ego never allow it happen.
Mata is wasted playing so deep, he doesn't have the physical strength or the pace to move from that position.
If not for Mensah we would've been exposed much earlier in the match.
I don't remember Lloris' saves during this game
We didn't play so bad till the Mensah sub
Darmian and Depay always more embarassing.
We didn't play so bad till the Mensah sub
Darmian and Depay always more embarassing.
Same thing going on my mind when Young coming in, i really don't understand LVG,what he trying to do with those substitutions/players playing at wrong position, out smart the opponent ? What he see and what we doesn't?The results are against his moves, it happened time and again.The man is too bigger ego to realise and change it.We might end up finishing at top 4 but this man at club next season will ruin all fun.
Martial movement,proper finishing would have made it great goal.
No, I didn't say that at all. He's a Tottenham fan and my point was that he would not have got to his post count on this board if he was a WUM.
Everyone was upset at the result yesterday but that's no reason to jump down someone's throat. As for you saying that his comment, about where the result of yesterday's match leaves Tottenham, not being suitable for the post match vs Tottenham thread …
Darmian happened.
Him coming on was just one more bad decision in a stupendous showcase of sheer incompetence and idiotic decisions yesterday from Van Gaal.
Man of the Match
Runners-up
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12%
David de Gea
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5%
Anthony Martial
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1%
Chris Smalling
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1%
Marcos Rojo
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1%
Morgan Schneiderlin
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1%
Ashley Young
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1%
Daley Blind
Player Ratings
Total Average Rating
Highest Rated Player
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Compiled from 383 ratings.
Score Predictions
239,208,148
- Man Utd win
- Tottenham win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 18% Tottenham 1:2 Man Utd
- 17% Tottenham 1:1 Man Utd
- 13% Tottenham 0:1 Man Utd
- 12% Tottenham 2:1 Man Utd
- 11% Tottenham 2:0 Man Utd
- 4% Tottenham 0:0 Man Utd
- 4% Tottenham 2:2 Man Utd
- 4% Tottenham 3:1 Man Utd
- 3% Tottenham 1:0 Man Utd
- 3% Tottenham 0:2 Man Utd
- 3% Tottenham 3:0 Man Utd
- 2% Tottenham 1:3 Man Utd
- 2% Tottenham 5:0 Man Utd
- 1% Tottenham 2:3 Man Utd
- 1% Tottenham 0:3 Man Utd
- 1% Tottenham 0:5 Man Utd
- 0% Tottenham 5:5 Man Utd
- 0% Tottenham 4:0 Man Utd
- 0% Tottenham 4:1 Man Utd
- 0% Tottenham 4:5 Man Utd
- 0% Tottenham 2:4 Man Utd
- 0% Tottenham 1:4 Man Utd
- 0% Tottenham 0:4 Man Utd
- 0% Tottenham 3:2 Man Utd
Match Stats
- Tottenham
- Man Utd
- Possession
- 47% 53%
- Shots
- 16 5
- Shots on Target
- 8 1
- Corners
- 2 7
- Fouls
- 10 10
Referee
Mike Dean
Man Utd Lineup
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replaced by Matteo Darmian
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replaced by Memphis Depay
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replaced by Ashley Young
