[Rood]

That's a bit extreme. Wanting our young striker to do himself in for passing up the chance to shoot.

 

[wiz4231]

But it canee take the strain captain!

Good, he can take Rooney with him

 

[Spock]

And yet West Ham had the two best chances of the game and also hit the post twice? How does that work?

Hitting the post isn't a qualitatively better measure of a chance than missing the post by inches. On those two occasions, our defenders miscued the ball. Schweinsteiger had a great look on goal from the top of the box and missed the bar by inches. We had other great chances, but we missed by inches or a foot, not by miles.

By every real measure, we dominated West Ham. But they did what they set out to do -- which was to get a point -- and we didn't, which was to get the win. So they're the happier club. But if one were asked which side has better chances on goal, more chances on goal, more possession and better overall play, there's really no doubt about which club is the right answer.

That said, I'm sick and tired of seeing the better side in every single game get held to a draw. Getting punked once in a while, such as the draw against Newcastle, comes with the territory, but this is getting ridiculous. That said, other than the final score you really can't compare this performance to our recent performances against PSV, Leicester City or Palace. The 0-0 draw with City was a disappointment because City were a depleted side, but few of us complained about that result. We were the better side, but the other side were deprived of Aguero and Silva. In this case, poor finishing deprived us of a win v West Ham. But the ball movement was much better and we looked almost a different side altogether without Rooney.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

Hitting the post isn't a qualitatively better measure of a chance than missing the post by inches.

No, but it's indicative of being much closer to scoring then we were.

And anyway, they obviously weren't even the two best chances I was refering too.

By every real measure, we dominated West Ham. But they did what they set out to do -- which was to get a point -- and we didn't, which was to get the win. So they're the happier club. But if one were asked which side has better chances on goal, more chances on goal, more possession and better overall play, there's really no doubt about which club is the right answer.

Yeah... West Ham.

That Zarate chance was clearly the best chance of the game... it's hardly debatable. Whether you put the Moses chance or Fellaini one next is up to you, but I'd personally say Moses' was the better opportunity due to the amount of time we had.

Have you seen us dominate teams before? Because if you have, it's fairly apparent that we did not dominate West Ham for 90 minutes, or anything close to that.... and the real measure I use to see that are my eyes.

 

[steve zizou]

West Ham should have won this game 2-1, 3-1, something like that. It was another crap attacking performance from United, but at this point I get too tired even wasting too much time thinking about it. It's the same shite match after match, just every once in awhile someone makes a great individual play/finish to nick the game in our favor.

Is this assumption based on every chance being scored?

 

[sunama]

I watched the game and looked at the stats.
IMO, we deserved to win the game, more than West Ham.
People seem to be forgetting that we have arguably the best GK on the World, so I don't care about WHU having 1 on 1s.

This game was not the same as the PSV and Middlesborough game. Against Middleseborough, we could've played for another 2 hours and would not have scored. Against WHU, I think somebody would've scored had the game lasted another 30 minutes. In any case, it was a draw, so no point in making predictions of who could/should have won.

 

[Spock]

No, but it's indicative of being much closer to scoring then we were.

And anyway, they obviously weren't even the two best chances I was refering too.



Yeah... West Ham.

That Zarate chance was clearly the best chance of the game... it's hardly debatable. Whether you put the Moses chance or Fellaini one next is up to you, but I'd personally say Moses' was the better opportunity due to the amount of time we had.

Have you seen us dominate teams before? Because if you have, it's fairly apparent that we did not dominate West Ham for 90 minutes, or anything close to that.... and the real measure I use to see that are my eyes.

No, but it's indicative of being much closer to scoring then we were.

Not necessarily. A keeper can have a shot covered even if it hits the post and a keeper can be beaten but for the fact that the ball flew just past the post. Our chances were better than their chances.

That Zarate chance was clearly the best chance of the game

Zarate was never going to beat De Gea from that position. He would have almost literally had to have taken De Gea's head off with his shot to beat him that range.

it's fairly apparent that we did not dominate West Ham for 90 minutes

Unless you're Barcelona, nobody dominates opposing teams for 90 minutes. But we clearly dominated more of the game than West Ham did, but the hammers clearly had some chances too.

The way to think about what happened is that West Ham came for a draw and they got it. We came for the win and did not get it. They accomplished their goal and we did not, but in no way can it be claimed that West Ham dominated United. We dictated play, but we couldn't finish on our numerous chances and West Ham got a couple of chances but couldn't score on any of them. The lesson learned is nothing other than we need to improve on our finish. We do not need sack the manager, change our tactics or abandon what we're trying to accomplish. We just need to finish on the chances that we do create. Do that and we pick up wins.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

No, but it's indicative of being much closer to scoring then we were.

Not necessarily. A keeper can have a shot covered even if it hits the post and a keeper can be beaten but for the fact that the ball flew just past the post. Our chances were better than their chances.

That Zarate chance was clearly the best chance of the game

Zarate was never going to beat De Gea from that position. He would have almost literally had to have taken De Gea's head off with his shot to beat him that range.

it's fairly apparent that we did not dominate West Ham for 90 minutes

Unless you're Barcelona, nobody dominates opposing teams for 90 minutes. But we clearly dominated more of the game than West Ham did, but the hammers clearly had some chances too.

The way to think about what happened is that West Ham came for a draw and they got it. We came for the win and did not get it. They accomplished their goal and we did not, but in no way can it be claimed that West Ham dominated United. We dictated play, but we couldn't finish on our numerous chances and West Ham got a couple of chances but couldn't score on any of them. The lesson learned is nothing other than we need to improve on our finish. We do not need sack the manager, change our tactics or abandon what we're trying to accomplish. We just need to finish on the chances that we do create. Do that and we pick up wins.

The fact that De Gea didn't have either of the attempts that hit the post covered (granted one was a ricochet, but it game from De Gea's own spillage), or the fact that you don't think Zarate should have scored this chance (That the Guardian hailed as miss of the day) ..



Pretty much confirms you're talking absolute nonsense.

 

[Spock]

The fact that De Gea didn't have either of the attempts that hit the post covered (granted one was a ricochet, but it game from De Gea's own spillage), or the fact that you don't think Zarate should have scored this chance (That the Guardian hailed as miss of the day) ..



Pretty much confirms you're talking absolute nonsense.

We've played garbage football most of this season but if you couldn't see a real, substantially better performance by United against West Ham you simply have an agenda. Only one club deserved victory and it wasn't West Ham.

Nobody could have watched that game and believed that United were the club shitting their pants.

 

[Stack]

We've played garbage football most of this season but if you couldn't see a real, substantially better performance by United against West Ham you simply have an agenda. Only one club deserved victory and it wasn't West Ham.

Nobody could have watched that game and believed that United were the club shitting their pants.

I have been moaning a fair bit about us being boring of late. I watched the WH game and thought I saw an improvement in our intent. We looked brighter in our play, I didnt find our play to be boring. There were a fair few missed passes and missed chances but we tried to go forward more frequently. There is a difference between being boring and playing poorly, some people cant seem to differentiate. Hopefully we can keep trying to play with a bit more intent, Im looking forward to our next game more than I have of late because of how we tried to play against WH.

 

[Rood]

I have been moaning a fair bit about us being boring of late. I watched the WH game and thought I saw an improvement in our intent. We looked brighter in our play, I didnt find our play to be boring. There were a fair few missed passes and missed chances but we tried to go forward more frequently. There is a difference between being boring and playing poorly, some people cant seem to differentiate. Hopefully we can keep trying to play with a bit more intent, Im looking forward to our next game more than I have of late because of how we tried to play against WH.

totally agree with that, there was a lot of improvement in our attacking play whereas many seem not to recognise that and just moan as if its the same as other 0-0s where we created far less chances. If we can continue the way we played in the second half on Saturday, then I am certain we will get that win tonight.

 

[711]

totally agree with that, there was a lot of improvement in our attacking play whereas many seem not to recognise that and just moan as if its the same as other 0-0s where we created far less chances. If we can continue the way we played in the second half on Saturday, then I am certain we will get that win tonight.

For 70 minutes or so it was, although I agree we became much more aggressive in last 20. I can't help wondering what would have happened had we sneaked a goal some time in that 70 minutes though, I suspect it would have been a quite staggeringly boring 1-0 win. Which would be good enough for many, sadly.

 

[Rood]

For 70 minutes or so it was, although I agree we became much more aggressive in last 20. I can't help wondering what would have happened had we sneaked a goal some time in that 70 minutes though, I suspect it would have been a quite staggeringly boring 1-0 win. Which would be good enough for many, sadly.

It was more aggressive for the last 20 (after Bastian went off) but I also think it was better in general for most of the game, especially the 2nd half (Varela being a more attacking option than McNair).