Premier League fixtures 14/15/16th October

He is playing football though, right?

Sure is.

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Do not want Ozil. Let him go anywhere but United - free or otherwise!
 
Just noticed what Xhaka was doing during the Watford winner.

Standing there like a complete dope. He is shite.

Who was it that said he was better than Pogba?
 
Geez, I didn't know it was to that extent. All sounds plausible though, just hope for Arsenals sake he isn't as bad as those two bellends as no fans should go through that garbage. Not even ones like Bludfam


The reason I said it might be worse than HG is that at least they were willing to sell and you eventually got a pretty decent owner. Kroenke, if I guess correct, is playing the long game but the one that is completely focused not just on running Arsenal FC solely as a business but using Arsenal FC entity as part of his asset portfolio to make property plays.His plan is really a long con sadly
 
Arsenal are finished. They are not even the same team they were a couple of years ago. While everyone keeps improving they keep regressing. Surely Wenger has to leave after the end of the season.
 
Arsenal are finished. They are not even the same team they were a couple of years ago. While everyone keeps improving they keep regressing. Surely Wenger has to leave after the end of the season.

Leaving Sanchez out completely, and benching Ozil certainly didn't help him today.
They'll no doubt do what they always do, cruise past a couple of poor teams and turn it on and lift the pressure again
 
Gets wayyyyy too much credit for barca. He came in after Riijkaard had already laid the foundations and won multiple trophies. Coinciding with the rise and rise of messi too.
There was little similarity between our 2006 team and our 2009 team.

In 2006, we started the CL final with a midfield of Deco-Edmilson-Van Bommel. In 2009, it was Xavi-Iniesta-Busquets.

We went trophy-less in both 2006/07 and 2007/08.
 
At the start of that season everyone I talked football with rated our squad and Barca's as the best about. It went sour with Rikjaard and Dinho in particular but they simply had an incredible squad. I knew it at the time so I'm not sure why you didn't.



City were many people's favourites for the title the year before Pep arrived as Champions and the year Pep arrived. They had a great squad. It is only Pep obsessives that seem to think you need world class players in every position to do well. I presume because that's what Pep needs to do well. Fergie could get any old mob together and challenge for the title. Every season City fans where I live used to claim we had a crap squad but nearly every year we challenged for the title.

City have been overrated every season since the takeover though. They've always had squads with plenty of holes in them and lacking in quality cover. The years they've won the league, it's been because Kompany, Silva, Touré and Agüero have managed to stay fit.

It's worth bearing in mind that Guardiola, Mourinho and Conte all came in the summer that the new EPL TV money came into effect and even the small teams were spending massive money to build hugely powerful squads. Ferguson managed to win the league with a pretty average bunch of players held together by four or five top class experienced players in 2013, but it's a different ball game now that even Everton can spend 50M pounds on a number 10 when they already have two international footballers in that position.
 
City have been overrated every season since the takeover though. They've always had squads with plenty of holes in them and lacking in quality cover. The years they've won the league, it's been because Kompany, Silva, Touré and Agüero have managed to stay fit.

It's worth bearing in mind that Guardiola, Mourinho and Conte all came in the summer that the new EPL TV money came into effect and even the small teams were spending massive money to build hugely powerful squads. Ferguson managed to win the league with a pretty average bunch of players held together by four or five top class experienced players in 2013, but it's a different ball game now that even Everton can spend 50M pounds on a number 10 when they already have two international footballers in that position.

You say overrated. I say underachiving. You want to create your narrative for Pep. Chelsea are an interesting example, their league finishes over the past three season show the effect of management on performance, it is pronounced, nothing to do with ‘holes’ in a squad, simply players dropping levels and raising levels. City have had the quality to win the title every year since the season before they first won it.
 
Nothing to do with Chelsea signing several key players before both recent title winning seasons and Hazard not being fully fit for most of 2015-16 then?

No way would Chelsea be champions if they'd been relying on Terry, Ivanović and Drogba last season. Kanté and Luiz were arguably their two most influential players and key to the way Conte wanted to play football.

Coaching is obviously a huge part of management (which is why people who ignore the huge impact Guardiola had on the careers of Xavi, Iniesta and Messi are being either disingenuous or ignorant) but identifying areas of the squad that need to be dealt with is also very important. It's obvious to anyone that City needed better a goalkeeper and full backs who are up to standard, at least one new centre back, midfielders who can take over from ageing players Touré and David Silva, and a viable alternative to Agüero up front. City have also lacked decent wide players basically ever since the takeover, which he has resolved by identifying and signing Sané for a price that in the current climate looks like being a bargain and getting the best out of Sterling (as well as significantly improving the levels of De Bruyne, Otamendi and even Delph).

In terms of squad building, aside from the misstep with Bravo, he's done everything you could ask for so far.
 
Nothing to do with Chelsea signing several key players before both recent title winning seasons and Hazard not being fully fit for most of 2015-16 then?

No way would Chelsea be champions if they'd been relying on Terry, Ivanović and Drogba last season. Kanté and Luiz were arguably their two most influential players and key to the way Conte wanted to play football.

Coaching is obviously a huge part of management (which is why people who ignore the huge impact Guardiola had on the careers of Xavi, Iniesta and Messi are being either disingenuous or ignorant) but identifying areas of the squad that need to be dealt with is also very important. It's obvious to anyone that City needed better a goalkeeper and full backs who are up to standard, at least one new centre back, midfielders who can take over from ageing players Touré and David Silva, and a viable alternative to Agüero up front. City have also lacked decent wide players basically ever since the takeover, which he has resolved by identifying and signing Sané for a price that in the current climate looks like being a bargain and getting the best out of Sterling (as well as significantly improving the levels of De Bruyne, Otamendi and even Delph).

In terms of squad building, aside from the misstep with Bravo, he's done everything you could ask for so far.

Several key players? They signed a couple before the start of each season which would be considered key but do not by a long shot account for the swing in performances over the three seasons.

Pep is a great coach but only in perfect conditions which puts him under the bracket of managers that achieve truly incredible feats like Ferguson at Aberdeen or Mourinho at Porto. Is Zidane suddenly the greatest manager of all time by achieving what the likes of Pep and Ferguson failed to do in the Champions League? I think not, it is a whole lot easier when you have a squad that is simply comfortably better than everyone else's.
 
The reason I said it might be worse than HG is that at least they were willing to sell and you eventually got a pretty decent owner. Kroenke, if I guess correct, is playing the long game but the one that is completely focused not just on running Arsenal FC solely as a business but using Arsenal FC entity as part of his asset portfolio to make property plays.His plan is really a long con sadly

Sounds like their fans have got a lot more fleecing to endure and false promises to get through then. Be interesting to see how it all pans out when Wenger eventually walks away, will another manager be prepared to come in if he can't buy some players? Need a miracle worker to turn that squad into genuine title challengers especially once Sanchez has skeedaddled.

I should count my blessings FSG don't seem that bad, could do more but they aren't withholding funds and improved the stadium at least. I'd be grey and bald now though from pulling my hair out if I were an Arsenal fan. And poor
 
Why isn't the Brighton v Everton game televised today? It's on right now.

Lack of interest maybe? Or the Saints game is more likely to be a good game? Sure someone will know, I'd rather watch someone watching paint dry than Everton under Koeman though.
 
I'll take a guess, is Rooney playing left back, right back, centre mid and sweeper? Basically every position except the one he's meant to be doing.
Nah, he's where he should be. It's just that no football has been played at any time. Not sure what I'm watching.
 
Because the pl are sellouts

An experiment and they moved it for tv for the folk from Asia

fecking disgrace really

Sky had the option to broadcast the game, they chose not to. Not sure why that makes the PL sellouts.