Why ? You can use your shoulder in play, it’s perfectly normal that it counts when checking an offside.
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Why ? You can use your shoulder in play, it’s perfectly normal that it counts when checking an offside.
Yeh I agree i thought he was level.. var is pretty much ruining goals now invade of a 1mm offside in the build up. Celebrations will be more low key . I don’t know it’s just all so pathetic
So you change the problem from whether situation x was 0cm offside to whether situation y was 5cm offside?
But wouldn't you have the same problem? Let's say the rule would allow you to be 5cm offside. Firstly how would that be measured and secondly the fans would start complaining when someone is 5,5cm offside.
10cm is quite a long way offside! do you mean millimeters?
Is Lloris injured or has he been dropped?
What if you put 5cm leeway, and the attacker is now 5.1cm offside?
VAR should be as objective as possible. If not, then there's no point using it.
Sorry but you can't be overturning goals on that kind of margin. As Andy Gray pointed out, it depends which frame they choose to use before they start putting all their lines on the image - which can alter whether it's even shown to be offside or not.
There was more than enough reasonable doubt to stay with the decision on the field there. They are happy to ignore blatant penalties when the referee doesn't give them when there's reasonable doubt or interpretation, but these minuscule offside decisions are seeing goals chalked off.
Anyway it's a great for us if Spurs drop points, so I'll live with it for today.
There was more than enough reasonable doubt to stay with the decision on the field there. They are happy to ignore blatant penalties when the referee doesn't give them when there's reasonable doubt or interpretation, but these minuscule offside decisions are seeing goals chalked off.
Anyway it's a great for us if Spurs drop points, so I'll live with it for today.
Did you see the ref adjusting the lines to find the shoulder? The picture quality isn’t good enough to do so with any degree of accuracy, especially if you’re going to give offside by such a small margin.
I’ll be honest and say VAR has already dulled football for me, I hate Spurs as much as anyone but that was terrible for the game.
I’ll be honest and say VAR has already dulled football for me, I hate Spurs as much as anyone but that was terrible for the game.
Actually it does make sense. It's supposed to take out the ''clear and obvious" errors. 5-10cm is NOT clear and obvious. It's literally what is stated in the laws.
Not to mention that sort of call depends on where the VAR team decide to stop the frame. There is still interpretation error and that's why there needs to be a margin of error allowed
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Did you say that when the first Leicester goal was disallowed?
Wife is giving birth.
Common sense?
The offside rule has a purpose that isn't just to create an arbitrary rule. No one is gaining an advantage because 1cm of their shoulder is in front of a defender. It would also be much quicker to check.
Why was that a bad decision? He is either offside or he isn't. Doesn't matter if it is 1 cm or 1 mile.
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Imagine thinking that the very clearly offside goal Leicester scored (you could see he was offside with one glance and there was genuine advantage from him being in that position) is comparable to a decision that took several minutes to make because they had to zoom in and specifically check whether Son's shoulder was 2mm offside.I’m nearly giving birth watching this shite.
I'm pretty sure we'll see a clip of Andy Gray working on Bein Sports later showing yet again there is a still frame showing Son onside, but the one they chose to use shows him fractionally off. This is madness them pretending this is a 100% factual decision.
Tielemans is absolutely rubbish, some on here said we should have been all over him this summer, I’m confused.
Com'on Leicester fecking city
That clear and obvious bollocks is for subjective decisions. Offside is not a subjective decision.
If the person is 1cm offside then they fall don't fall within the 'clear and obvious' margin of error. This way we get the best of both worlds. The linesmans judgement call is still enforced giving us a flowing game. And if they make a 'clear and obvious' error of what I suggested as 5-10cm but it could be any margin that you want, then that would be pulled back. Imo 1mm is not a clear and obvious error
No. The problem isn't the validity it's that it's too strict, a buffer allows for the fact it's a game played by humans.
It is when there is another frame showing the player onside. When a ball is played there are typically several frames that can be used to judge these decisions. They pick one of those frames (seemingly at random) and pretend it's 100% proof.
Ahh I did not know that. Scratch what I said I that case regards to that.
I still however do think there needs to be a margin of error. What that margin is up for debate
You would, didnt mean it as final solution, dont mind black or white thing so never mind.
How is it not? Its not a subjective call. A part of his body was offside that should not have been.
Too many fans misuse the phrase clear and obvious in these situations.
What a goal! Maddison.
Football fans base their decisions on Fifa or Football manager.
Another 10M added on to his price.
Great goal.
Great goal.
Oh Spurs
Double our bid...
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Wow Maddison!
What a goal!
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