Queens Park Rangers Vs. Manchester United
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
only berba have a chance, the rest all still injured plus fletcher and vidic out for the season.
What the hell is up with the OP? It looks shit.
de Gea
Smalling Ferdinand Evans Evra
Jones Carrick
Valencia Rooney Nani
Welbeck
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Lindegaard; Fryers; Giggs, Park/Gibson, Young; Berbatov, Macheda
Smalling Ferdinand Evans Evra
Jones Carrick
Valencia Rooney Nani
Welbeck
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Lindegaard; Fryers; Giggs, Park/Gibson, Young; Berbatov, Macheda
Hoping some players get fit in time. Rafael and Fábio could make this, as should Berbatov, but none of them should be starting. I think Gibson could be used as a sub in the next four games if we're in strong positions, so we can continually rest our midfield players.
I really think we should be winning our next four games and scoring quite a few goals if we want to put pressure on City. QPR and Fulham Away are not easy games, but realistically we should be scoring 4-5 goals and conceding 0-2 over those two games. Then we have Wigan and Blackburn at Old Trafford, if we're at it we should be smashing those struggling teams in a similar fashion to how we did in Bolton and Wolves. It is a chance to possibly catch up on Man City's goal difference, especially if we get players back and keep fresh.
As for team selection - unchanged from Wolves would be my preferred option. But we all know what Sir Alex is like when it comes to tinkering. If there's a change I see it being Giggs for Welbeck, or perhaps Park in the middle with Jones or Smalling on the bench. I'd rather Giggs start over Welbeck against Fulham though, using a three-man midfield. Possibly Young starting there as well. I can see Young starting over Valencia or Nani here if I'm honest, but both were so good against Wolves they should just play again.
A good 0-2 or 0-3 with no injuries would be perfect here and I fancy Arsenal to nick a draw at wastelands. I also hope Evra doesn't get booked or he misses a game - I'd rather him miss the Wigan Home match if he ends up getting booked in one of our upcoming fixtures.
When do the bookings get cleared?
I always like how history can change over the years. Look at this little link:
FansNetwork/Loft For Words - QPR hunt Cantona revenge 15 years after Loftus Road controversy - History - Queens Park Rangers news
The writer, who was at our game at Loftus Road in 1996, complains the referee has added tons of injury time. In fact, he writes Cantona's goal was scored at 90+8. Shame the link added there with that game has the commentator saying we scored in the third minute of added on time, which is quite usual to add...
In 20 years, it'll be 90+15.
FansNetwork/Loft For Words - QPR hunt Cantona revenge 15 years after Loftus Road controversy - History - Queens Park Rangers news
The writer, who was at our game at Loftus Road in 1996, complains the referee has added tons of injury time. In fact, he writes Cantona's goal was scored at 90+8. Shame the link added there with that game has the commentator saying we scored in the third minute of added on time, which is quite usual to add...
In 20 years, it'll be 90+15.
From the Telegraph, story was about something else entirely, but they like to mix it up:
Think we're going to put in another very good performance. Expect an open game. 3-1 to us.
We need to stop Faurlin playing, he's the only one I'm particularly bothered about. He's looked a good tidy player and If he's up against Jones, he might get a bit of joy.
Maybe we should put in a cheeky January bid if he has a good game?
Maybe we should put in a cheeky January bid if he has a good game?
Shut up.
Kieron Dyer is apparently out for the season. He needs another operation on his foot.
Anton Ferdinand unavailable apparently, which is a bonus.
Why's their shirt bigger than ours in the OP?
And our badge is bigger than theirs and our jersey is closer to the badge than theirs and their is no 'vs' sign either. Ergo I said the OP was shit.
The OP is fecking shite.
Why is everything in the OP different sizes? Is it art?
Laughable isn't it? There's loads of fans with these absurd stories about us, but that's definitely one of the most absurd. I even checked some old match reports to be sure, and we very definitely scored in the third minute of injury time.
What a fecking scandal.
Are you sure he's on 4 yellow cards? I checked on fantasy premier league and that site say he's on 3. Maybe he's got one in Carling Cup, can't remember at all at the moment.
The OP ain't so bad, he's got United right and who cares about QPR anyway?
He was booked in the Community Shield but I don't know if that counts. 3 yellow cards in the premier league and 1 in champions league.
QPR manager Neil Warnock: Don’t mention Carlos Tevez
On Sunday Neil Warnock will come face to face with Sir Alex Ferguson in a Premier League dugout for the first time since he was struck off the Scotsman’s Christmas card list because of his criticisms of Manchester United during the Carlos Tévez affair four years ago.
By Jason Burt, Deputy Football
16 Dec 2011
QPR manager Neil Warnock: Don’t mention Carlos Tevez - Telegraph
“It’s been a few years since I had one,” he admits. “But when I see Cathy [Ferguson’s wife] I have a nice chat with her. I was struck off his Christmas card list, OK. But it doesn’t take away my admiration for him.”
That admiration for Ferguson is stronger than ever. “There will never be a manager as good as him ever again, make no mistake,” he says. And maybe, just maybe, the Premier League will never see a manager like Neil Warnock again, either.
“When I get down people tell me, ‘Gaffer, you are one of only four English managers in the Premier League’,” he explains, a mix of pride, humour and resilience in his distinctive voice.
“And it’s hard to think, here’s a ------ chiropodist [his chosen profession after his player career finished and before he went into management] from Sheffield, a steelworker’s son managing in the Premier League.”
The Premier League matters to Warnock. It matters a lot.
Twice during this interview he admits to having had tears in his eyes during the events of last season and the summer — when Queens Park Rangers’ promotion was threatened over the inquiry into midfielder Alejandro Faurlin’s transfer (a bitter irony through rules introduced post-Tévez) and then whether the club’s previous owners were going to sack him despite having gained that promotion.
“It was like, ‘everyone’s ganging up on me’,” he says. “I spent the whole summer with my hands tied behind my back thinking, ‘Why me?’ Not only that, I was thinking, ‘Why me — twice!’ There were a few times when I felt like crying, to be honest.”
It is evident that he remains deeply affected by his last Premier League campaign, when he took Sheffield United into the top flight only for that dream to die on the final day of the 2006-07 season. “We only went down by one goal [difference] and we had the Tévez thing,” he recalls of that traumatic May day as if it scarred his soul.
The “Tévez thing” resulted in a huge fine — but no points deduction for West Ham, who stayed up — over the issue of third-party ownership, while Warnock incurred Ferguson’s wrath after criticising United for fielding a weakened team on that final day when they lost at home to West Ham. Who else but Tévez scored the only goal.
“No, I will never get over it,” Warnock says. “But I did laugh when I saw Kia [Joorabchian, Tévez’s adviser] a while ago and I suggested he got Tévez to play for us next year as a favour to me – because he cost me millions.
"I like West Ham, I’ve no problem with West Ham. I just felt let down by the Premier League.”
That is the Premier League organisation — not the league he manages in. He loves that, craves that and is now still working, aged 63 and having promised his family he would retire by now, because he has unfinished business there.
“I wanted one more go,” he says. “I was going to retire at Sheffield United but one or two things were said when I left and because of that I was going to get another team. I was going to show them.”
That sense of grievance, too, has always driven him. “I think I was always meant to be the black sheep of football. And I don’t mind that.
"I used to love the non-League clubs in the FA Cup and when I played football [11 years as a self-styled “brainless winger” with the likes of Chesterfield, Rotherham and Hartlepool].
"I didn’t play for the big clubs. I like the underdog and I guess I’ve been that throughout my career.
“I had to do everything from the bottom upwards and I don’t regret it because it made me a better manager. Martin O’Neill did the same.”
That unfinished business took him first to Crystal Palace but the club’s financial plight meant the Premier League dream started to fade. Then QPR — after nine managers in four years — came calling. “I took it for one reason only,” he says. “Amit Bhatia.”
Bhatia is the club’s vice-chairman, and son-in-law of steel magnate Lakshmi Mittal, who, after an acrimonious split with former owners Flavio Briatore and Bernie Ecclestone, returned to take over with the Malaysian entrepreneur Tony Fernandes.
“They are both like little kids,” Warnock says. “They both want to be supporters — they want to be the manager, they want to be a player.
"The enthusiasm rubs off on you and I have to calm them down and there are not a lot of managers who can say that about their owners. QPR are so lucky to have this ownership.”
Cash has been injected — a flurry of players arrived at the end of August and at least two more permanent deals and two loans are planned for next month — to give Warnock a fighting chance of remaining in the top flight. And a fighting chance is all he is asking for.
Warnock gained promotion last season but, he says, did not enjoy it because of the ownership uncertainty. “I was getting a bit irate,” he admits.
“Getting QPR promoted was the best job I have done my whole life. It was a remarkable achievement and yet I didn’t win manager of the year. I’m the only one that’s happened to.
“We had billionaire owners but we didn’t spend. And then I couldn’t do anything and it was by far the worst summer I have ever had. I was watching Swansea and Norwich sign players left, right and centre and people kept saying ‘no’ to me.”
Nevertheless the troubles — now thankfully over – bonded him with the QPR supporters who, he knew, were sceptical at his appointment in the first place. “Maybe they thought, ‘he’s loud’ or angry or whatever they had heard or read about me — but since I took over they have been absolutely fantastic,” Warnock says.
“It’s almost as if our fans know how far and how fast we have come.
"The highlight of probably my whole career now, apart from winning things, was when I was stood on the touchline at Fulham and we were losing 6-0 [in October] and there’s god knows how many minutes left and our fans start chanting ‘there’s only one Neil Warnock’.”
There were tears, again, Warnock admits.
“I just filled up about it, to be honest,” he says. “I will never forget that for the rest of my life. That’s how I feel about QPR and the fans and why I am there and that’s why we are all going to enjoy every game.
On Sunday Neil Warnock will come face to face with Sir Alex Ferguson in a Premier League dugout for the first time since he was struck off the Scotsman’s Christmas card list because of his criticisms of Manchester United during the Carlos Tévez affair four years ago.
By Jason Burt, Deputy Football
16 Dec 2011
QPR manager Neil Warnock: Don’t mention Carlos Tevez - Telegraph
“It’s been a few years since I had one,” he admits. “But when I see Cathy [Ferguson’s wife] I have a nice chat with her. I was struck off his Christmas card list, OK. But it doesn’t take away my admiration for him.”
That admiration for Ferguson is stronger than ever. “There will never be a manager as good as him ever again, make no mistake,” he says. And maybe, just maybe, the Premier League will never see a manager like Neil Warnock again, either.
“When I get down people tell me, ‘Gaffer, you are one of only four English managers in the Premier League’,” he explains, a mix of pride, humour and resilience in his distinctive voice.
“And it’s hard to think, here’s a ------ chiropodist [his chosen profession after his player career finished and before he went into management] from Sheffield, a steelworker’s son managing in the Premier League.”
The Premier League matters to Warnock. It matters a lot.
Twice during this interview he admits to having had tears in his eyes during the events of last season and the summer — when Queens Park Rangers’ promotion was threatened over the inquiry into midfielder Alejandro Faurlin’s transfer (a bitter irony through rules introduced post-Tévez) and then whether the club’s previous owners were going to sack him despite having gained that promotion.
“It was like, ‘everyone’s ganging up on me’,” he says. “I spent the whole summer with my hands tied behind my back thinking, ‘Why me?’ Not only that, I was thinking, ‘Why me — twice!’ There were a few times when I felt like crying, to be honest.”
It is evident that he remains deeply affected by his last Premier League campaign, when he took Sheffield United into the top flight only for that dream to die on the final day of the 2006-07 season. “We only went down by one goal [difference] and we had the Tévez thing,” he recalls of that traumatic May day as if it scarred his soul.
The “Tévez thing” resulted in a huge fine — but no points deduction for West Ham, who stayed up — over the issue of third-party ownership, while Warnock incurred Ferguson’s wrath after criticising United for fielding a weakened team on that final day when they lost at home to West Ham. Who else but Tévez scored the only goal.
“No, I will never get over it,” Warnock says. “But I did laugh when I saw Kia [Joorabchian, Tévez’s adviser] a while ago and I suggested he got Tévez to play for us next year as a favour to me – because he cost me millions.
"I like West Ham, I’ve no problem with West Ham. I just felt let down by the Premier League.”
That is the Premier League organisation — not the league he manages in. He loves that, craves that and is now still working, aged 63 and having promised his family he would retire by now, because he has unfinished business there.
“I wanted one more go,” he says. “I was going to retire at Sheffield United but one or two things were said when I left and because of that I was going to get another team. I was going to show them.”
That sense of grievance, too, has always driven him. “I think I was always meant to be the black sheep of football. And I don’t mind that.
"I used to love the non-League clubs in the FA Cup and when I played football [11 years as a self-styled “brainless winger” with the likes of Chesterfield, Rotherham and Hartlepool].
"I didn’t play for the big clubs. I like the underdog and I guess I’ve been that throughout my career.
“I had to do everything from the bottom upwards and I don’t regret it because it made me a better manager. Martin O’Neill did the same.”
That unfinished business took him first to Crystal Palace but the club’s financial plight meant the Premier League dream started to fade. Then QPR — after nine managers in four years — came calling. “I took it for one reason only,” he says. “Amit Bhatia.”
Bhatia is the club’s vice-chairman, and son-in-law of steel magnate Lakshmi Mittal, who, after an acrimonious split with former owners Flavio Briatore and Bernie Ecclestone, returned to take over with the Malaysian entrepreneur Tony Fernandes.
“They are both like little kids,” Warnock says. “They both want to be supporters — they want to be the manager, they want to be a player.
"The enthusiasm rubs off on you and I have to calm them down and there are not a lot of managers who can say that about their owners. QPR are so lucky to have this ownership.”
Cash has been injected — a flurry of players arrived at the end of August and at least two more permanent deals and two loans are planned for next month — to give Warnock a fighting chance of remaining in the top flight. And a fighting chance is all he is asking for.
Warnock gained promotion last season but, he says, did not enjoy it because of the ownership uncertainty. “I was getting a bit irate,” he admits.
“Getting QPR promoted was the best job I have done my whole life. It was a remarkable achievement and yet I didn’t win manager of the year. I’m the only one that’s happened to.
“We had billionaire owners but we didn’t spend. And then I couldn’t do anything and it was by far the worst summer I have ever had. I was watching Swansea and Norwich sign players left, right and centre and people kept saying ‘no’ to me.”
Nevertheless the troubles — now thankfully over – bonded him with the QPR supporters who, he knew, were sceptical at his appointment in the first place. “Maybe they thought, ‘he’s loud’ or angry or whatever they had heard or read about me — but since I took over they have been absolutely fantastic,” Warnock says.
“It’s almost as if our fans know how far and how fast we have come.
"The highlight of probably my whole career now, apart from winning things, was when I was stood on the touchline at Fulham and we were losing 6-0 [in October] and there’s god knows how many minutes left and our fans start chanting ‘there’s only one Neil Warnock’.”
There were tears, again, Warnock admits.
“I just filled up about it, to be honest,” he says. “I will never forget that for the rest of my life. That’s how I feel about QPR and the fans and why I am there and that’s why we are all going to enjoy every game.
Howard Webb.
Thanks! No they don't count so only on 3 bookings then.
yeah WTF
This sums up the OP nicely. Very poor attempt, should probably be banned from making them again.
That aside, I think this has the potential to be a very tricky match, they gave city a good game and they will be well up for this one.
However, if we play anything like we did aginst Wolves, QPR will be in for a very tough day at the office.
Hoping Welbeck gets a start and bags a goal or two.
Even though Welbeck has been playing well, do you think we should give Berba a start as he hasnt played in a while? We all know how he usually is coming off the bench.
It's a fair point, Berbatov definately hasn't been getting enough playing time this season, especially for a player of his calibre.
I don't envy the manager's position, that's for sure. On one hand he has a very talented young striker who could use this game to re-discover his early season form and use that to go on and have a fantastic season.
On the other hand, it would give Berbatov the chance to claim a regular starting spot and start banging the goals in like last season.
Either way, both players are very good options to have.
Indeed at least we have the options. I would like him to keep a similar lineup that we had against Wolves but who knows with it being Fergie and all
I don't have a good feeling about this one, which is unusual for me. I don't like Loftus Road and the fixture is just reminding me of Burnley away a while back - not sure why I'm making that connection in my head.
I'll be happy with the same lineup as the Wolves game to be honest, if Carrick can control things then we'll be fine. Hopefully.
I'll be happy with the same lineup as the Wolves game to be honest, if Carrick can control things then we'll be fine. Hopefully.
I think in general our last few performances have been better. We have controlled the matches, not scored as much as we should be looked in control of them. We will need this at QPR who will be up for it and in our faces from the off. 3-1 win for us.Rooney double and Wellbeck to chip in with one.
QPR will give it a go.Could be an entertaining game. 2-3
Probably going to be something like:
DDG, Smalling, Rio, Evans, Evra; Young, Carrick, Jones, Nani; Rooney, Welbs
DDG, Smalling, Rio, Evans, Evra; Young, Carrick, Jones, Nani; Rooney, Welbs
I'll be travelling and listening to the match on the radio, heading towards somewhere with no internet until Thursday. My homepage has the link to the streams, I'll have to leave it to you guys to promote it.
It's on UK TV so Bloodzeed will be streaming it. Amazing quality streams. Just bookmark this link and follow the Bloodzeed HQ link when it shows up.
QPR basically consists of a bunch of decent P.L players - on a normal day we will win, but if we are not up to a fight, we will drop points.
Its time
Chicharito and Larnell Cole travelled to QPR.
Larnell ahead of Pogba? So far this season it might've been deserved, but Pogba was brilliant vs Liverpool.
Pogba, Fryers and Cole have all travelled to QPR actually. But Fergie mentioned about Pogba so that's why I didn't mention it.