Rafael

He's starting to convince me the little wizard. The tackles that were reckless are now looking very aggresive but controlled. The positioning has improved no end, and he's linking up superbly with our forward lines. He's come on so much in such a short space of time. No doubt really now that even as JOS's biggest supporter on here Raf has the right back spot sorted. He's still not as good as some on here are making out, but he really really could be the worlds best right back. Lets hope he stays out of the spotlight for many years and doesn't attract attention from Real and the likes.
 
What is still underrated is his tackling. When on form, which he is, he is an excellent tackler. Wins the ball A LOT.
 
Can he get any better?

Since the Bayern match last season he has improved so much in defending, general positional play, heading etc..
 
Can he get any better?

Since the Bayern match last season he has improved so much in defending, general positional play, heading etc..

I am not sure, he is playing with such energy and passion. I would like to see more of his rampages through the middle, because he is very dangerous when he does this. He is a defender so I understand why these are quite rare.
 
Can he get any better?

Since the Bayern match last season he has improved so much in defending, general positional play, heading etc..

Definitely.

Apart from the fact that his age means he's bound to get better he is still prone to the occasional defensive lapse when he's up against wingers less predictable than Dirk "converted striker" Kuyt.

That's no big deal though. Every young footballer has room for improvement. What's great about Rafael is the rate at which this improvement is happening. He's almost getting better by the game.
 
I am not sure, he is playing with such energy and passion. I would like to see more of his rampages through the middle, because he is very dangerous when he does this. He is a defender so I understand why these are quite rare.

will be interesting when Valencia comes back.

With Nani in front there is good space on the wing for him - as Nani drifts inside. When Valencia is back in front of him that space won't be there as much as Valencia is a hug the line winger. Will be interesting to see how/if Rafael adapts his game to still offer a threat.
 
will be interesting when Valencia comes back.

With Nani in front there is good space on the wing for him - as Nani drifts inside. When Valencia is back in front of him that space won't be there as much as Valencia is a hug the line winger. Will be interesting to see how/if Rafael adapts his game to still offer a threat.

Maybe it'll be Valencia thats told to adapt his game.
 
Nani & Evra on the left. Valencia & Rafael on the right.

That's an absolute onslaught of pace on the wings.
 
Valencia cuts inside fairly frequently. I don't think he'll have to adapt his game much at all.

Really?

As much as I like Valencia, he is incredibly predictable. He invariably gets to the byline and crosses. He is extremely one footed which makes cutting inside less useful for him.

Thats not to say he is a bad player, if anything, the fact that defenders must know exactly what he is going to do, yet he still manages to swing in plenty of extremely good crosses, shows how good at it he actually is.
 
Aye, it's a bit of a myth that he doesn't based on the fact his left foot isn't up to much. I've always thought he was particularly dangerous when he slips a ball inside for a one two (often to Berbatov) and makes a run between the full back and centre half.
 
Yea Valencia cuts inside plenty, and the one two Brophs just mentioned has led to some very good chances. He's also linked up with Rafael brilliantly last season so I see no reason to expect anything but more of the same when he returns.

Like cina says; our pace on the flanks will be amazing.
 
Really?

As much as I like Valencia, he is incredibly predictable. He invariably gets to the byline and crosses. He is extremely one footed which makes cutting inside less useful for him.

Thats not to say he is a bad player, if anything, the fact that defenders must know exactly what he is going to do, yet he still manages to swing in plenty of extremely good crosses, shows how good at it he actually is.

Yes. Really.

He like to cut inside and link up with players in central positions. A Good example being the sexy exchange of back-heels between himself, Berbatov and Rooney in the CL game away against CSKA. Or when he smacked the cross-bar in the Bursapor game (I think?) after exchanging passes with Nani.
 
will be interesting when Valencia comes back.

With Nani in front there is good space on the wing for him - as Nani drifts inside. When Valencia is back in front of him that space won't be there as much as Valencia is a hug the line winger. Will be interesting to see how/if Rafael adapts his game to still offer a threat.

If anything he has more license to overlap with Valencia in the team. Valencia puts in a good shift tracking back.
 
Was just looking at GettyImages and there is a picture of Maxi "The Prick" Rodriguez who is going down in agony with Rafael behind him. Not sure if people remember the incident but, it was when Rafael maybe stood slightly on his foot from behind but, he went down in a heap and was holding his leg around his knee. Was clearly looking to try and get him carded, tried it earlier.

Think a lot of players have tried that with Rafael this season, over play things because he has been a bit rash in the past but, thankfully it seems he is getting smarter and secondly refs aren't falling as much (still do a I think a little) for their antics against him.

So cuddly wuddly, why would anyone want to try send him o
 
I've always been a fan of Rafael. He's an inspired young player, who always gives his all, which makes him fun to watch. If Fabio can develop at a similar rate after getting some games under his belt, we'll be in sorted at wing back for many years.
 
Loved it when Beglin said something like it was Rafael's tackle on a Liverpool player that goaded Gerrard into flying at Carrick. fecking priceless.
 
It is a tragedy that he does not have a cap for Brazil.

Don't be so dramatic

:lol:

i don't know about anybody else but I'm constantly impressed by Rafael and part of me is at some point expecting this run of form to come to an end. And I don't mean that in a bad way it's just it seems unnatural for a 20 year old to perform so abley aon such a stage. It's almost too good to be true i guess is what i'm trying to say.

he's got the footballing ability of a Brazilian yet the mindset of a manchester born and raised lad - tough as old boots and happy to get well stuck in as and when required.
 
rafael actually cuts inside a hell of a lot for a full back. unorthodox. fabio does similarly.
 
:lol:

i don't know about anybody else but I'm constantly impressed by Rafael and part of me is at some point expecting this run of form to come to an end. And I don't mean that in a bad way it's just it seems unnatural for a 20 year old to perform so abley aon such a stage. It's almost too good to be true i guess is what i'm trying to say.

he's got the footballing ability of a Brazilian yet the mindset of a manchester born and raised lad - tough as old boots and happy to get well stuck in as and when required.

I see the shirt sponsorship has had a subliminal affect of you jgray :lol:

I agree about being constantly impressed with him but I'm not expecting it to suddenly come to an end, I'm happy to accept he's not human and carry on enjoying it!
 
Was just looking at GettyImages and there is a picture of Maxi "The Prick" Rodriguez who is going down in agony with Rafael behind him. Not sure if people remember the incident but, it was when Rafael maybe stood slightly on his foot from behind but, he went down in a heap and was holding his leg around his knee. Was clearly looking to try and get him carded, tried it earlier.

Think a lot of players have tried that with Rafael this season, over play things because he has been a bit rash in the past but, thankfully it seems he is getting smarter and secondly refs aren't falling as much (still do a I think a little) for their antics against him.

So cuddly wuddly, why would anyone want to try send him o

Hmmm... That incident was when Rafael (accidentally, to be fair) raked his Achilles with his studs. Which REALLY fecking hurts, believe me.
 
BBC - Football Tactics: Bale and Rafael square up again

Teams that have had success against Tottenham this season have generally been able to nullify the threat of Gareth Bale and Rafael van der Vaart.

That is no easy feat with even Champions League holders Inter Milan feeling the full force of the pair, who have scored 22 goals between them in all competitions.

But one player who has been credited with curbing Bale's forays down the left, in particular, is Everton full-back Phil Neville.

The 33-year-old's no-nonsense approach helped ensure that David Moyes' team ran out 2-1 winners against Spurs at Goodison Park earlier this month, having already picked up a point at White Hart Lane in October.

Manchester United are Tottenham's opponents on Sunday but even though they possess a right-back who is 13 years Neville's junior, there are increasing signs that the Brazilian Rafael is beginning to show the reasons why Sir Alex Ferguson brought him to the club from Fluminense in 2008.

One thing Neville and Rafael had in common when they came up against Bale this season was limiting their ventures down the flanks to join their respective teams' attacks.

Contrast this with Inter right-back Maicon, who was the first of the three right-backs to face the Welsh winger during 10 days in October.

Even though the Italian team were 4-3 winners at the San Siro, Bale's second-half hat-trick made world football take note because he exposed Maicon's attacking tendencies so clinically.
Player touches show Maicon was a lot further advanced than Neville

Touches from that game show that the Brazilian defender was far more active in the opposition half compared to Rafael and Neville, who faced Bale three days later at White Hart Lane.

You could argue that the former England defender had the benefit of playing a fatigued Bale so soon after the Champions League game.

But Neville's experience told him that if he remained disciplined, with right midfielder Seamas Coleman tracking back, he could allow Bale to approach him from deeper positions rather than be caught high up the pitch and be beaten for pace on his blind side.

In addition, when Bale received the ball towards the final third Neville was quick to close down space, particularly when the winger had his back to goal, and his success meant that Bale switched to the right flank during the second half of the 1-1 draw.

Rafael took a similar approach during the course of United's 2-0 victory over Spurs at Old Trafford.

One of the 20-year-old's runs led to him shooting wide early on but once United took a 1-0 lead after 31 minutes, he was less adventurous. He was also quick to shadow Bale when Spurs were on the attack so that he was unable to open up a gap to use his explosive pace.
Rafael passed just four times in the Tottenham half

With Nani ahead of him it was Darren Fletcher in the centre of United's midfield who helped him out. Yet during his 64 minutes on the field where he marshalled Bale with considerable success, Rafael only made four passes in the opposition half.

And during that time, Bale managed to get past him just twice.

Former Spurs defender Gary Mabbutt believes that Tottenham's superb home form this season means that Ferguson's side will again be cautious this Sunday.

"Spurs have set their stall out this season with a very attacking 4-4-2 formation at home and I'm sure it will be Manchester United who adopt a defensive position and try to hit Spurs on the counter-attack and at set-plays," he told BBC Sport.

"They will try to nullify Bale, Van der Vaart, Roman Pavlyuchenko, Aaron Lennon and Jermain Defoe, who could also play, but one thing that has improved about Harry Redknapp's team this season is that they are getting goals from all over the pitch."

Some of the goals scored by Bale, including his strikes at Inter and Stoke, have lit up Spurs' displays this term.

But the 21-year-old will want to improve on his performance last time against Manchester United, where he gave the ball away in open play more than against any other team Spurs have faced this season.
Bale's passing and crossing was well below its usual standard

His crossing was poor too. Not one of his seven attempts reached its target and his pass completion rate was just 58%. Even his dribbling was below his usual standard, with a 22% completion rate compared to 67% against Everton.

That may have been down to tiredness but even though the 10-day period might have had a physical impact on Bale, Mabbutt is sure it would have improved his tactical thinking.

"Phil Neville might have played well against him but Bale is learning all the time, so if players try different tactics on him he is bright enough to work out ways to solve those problems," he said.

"Teams have put two players on him but he now realises he can pull out wide and create space for others in the middle such as Van der Vaart. You never stop learning throughout your career and with Bale being so sharp, and having the ability to match, he will continue to grow in stature."

The question is, will Bale have learnt the lessons from Old Trafford in order to make an impact this Sunday? Or has Rafael improved further since they last squared up?

Article is a good read. Perhaps the media are finally waking up to his potential and he'll get some credit rather than the "yeah but's he young and Brazillian so must be bad defensively" stick he seems to beaten with.
 
Yeah i was gonna bump this earlier too after reading that, and seeing Henry Winter almost ejaculating on MUTV earlier when talking about him. It seems the press are really starting to realise how good Rafael is, and if he wins the battle against the media darling Bale on Sunday, then people really will start to sit up and take notice of him.
 
Doubt it has much to do with Bale "learning lessons", though. He relies on the fact that most fullbacks can't match his pace, and that those who can will generally be advancing further up the pitch to join the attack. If Rafael does what he did at OT, and makes marking Bale his first priority, Bale's just not going to have the open space to do anything.

The other thing that article omits is what seems the obvious explanation for why so few of the crosses Bale did make were successful: Rio and Vidic. Fair to say that's a tremendously difficult pair of defenders to get crosses by.
 
The main thing is Bale is that he's only going to beat you for pace and strength. If you get tight he's going to find it hard to do that. Maicon was just standing off him and saying "knock and run".
 
The main thing is Bale is that he's only going to beat you for pace and strength. If you get tight he's going to find it hard to do that. Maicon was just standing off him and saying "knock and run".

Exactly. If you stand off him and let him build up a head of steam he'll destroy you. Thats not in Rafaels nature but, he always defends very tight. If he's onto Bale as soon as he gets the ball he's got a much better chance of interceptin him, and not lettin him get into his stride. Bale struggles when he doesnt have space to run into, if we defend as well as we're capable of i dont think he'll cause too much problems. VDV or Modric could very well be their dangermen for this one.
 
Evra always seems to struggle against Lennon.
 
The other thing that article omits is what seems the obvious explanation for why so few of the crosses Bale did make were successful: Rio and Vidic. Fair to say that's a tremendously difficult pair of defenders to get crosses by.

Exactly, also his low dribbling and passing stats seem to be put down to him just having a bad day at the office, with very little credit given to our players. His dribbling couldn't have been cut short by a brilliant Rafael, and his passes couldn't have been cut out by Carrick's reading of the game, no no, Bale was just tired.


Evra always seems to struggle against Lennon.

He has done in the past, but he was fine at OT from what I remember.
 
Saw the article earlier. I didnt really think they did Rafael enough credit - the majority of the talk was about Bale and how so few fullbacks have managed to stop him. Rafaels form, potential and the fact that he is currently the best RB in the league wasnt really mentioned at all.

Still, massive game for the lad on Sunday - if he keeps Bale quiet again then even the media and pundits will be unable to ignore him. (I know they dont ignore him at the moment but he certainly doesnt get the recognition he deserves, not like the likes of Bale).