Sorry pal but this is all speculation. I agree that the 'looking to leave' story is probably coming from his camp but to be honest, listening to how you view him, your confirmation bias will always make the news mean what you want it to, which will inevitably be anti-Rashford. For what it's worth, I think it's time for him to go...he's been awful for a while now, but it pisses me off to see mental health struggles trivialized, whether real or imagined. Nobody knows for certain what's going on with him yet many presume to and, as a result, comments get out of order.
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@Pickle85 this is the tweet I was alluding to and it came after Neville had warned these players that he is in the room when they are dropping these leaks and will one day out them. Too much of it to be circumstantial evidence but there is a reason why individuals and organizations brief the media instead of official quotes - plausible deniability becuase they know that there are people like you ready to believe the best of them should it go sideways.
Nobody in here dislikes the club. But definitely lot of people are unhappy about how the things are run, and it's magnified since we aren't successful, for a big club anymore. We have had below average players before and they have definitely suffered their share of abuse, but it didn't really get that much attention due to us being successful.
Rashford at this time should be starting for us, and his status of being a homegrown English player shouldn't have a bearing on his assessment. But that's not the case though, is it?
I mean, there's nothing wrong with romanticising an English player playing for an English club, but at what cost though?
As I said, I agree that was probably a brief. This sort of brief isn't that uncommon is it, when a player wants to leave?
I am harsh on our English contingent but I wouldn't sell any of them until they have had another season to show their worth.
Like I said above, leaks and briefs are preferable because they can be denied later on but this is his modus operandi. Unfortunately since we know this of him we can't then pick and choose which brief to believe or discard but he made his bed and must lie on it.
Maybe its anti-Rashford bias but I wouldn't put it past him to hide behind anything including mental health because of the lengths he has gone previously to cynically blame others for his shortcomings. When a player is so captured by his handlers like him and Pogba he loses any benefit of the doubt I might otherwise have for him.
Where are the 'quotes' for any leaks? Thats why they are leaks. You're saying the MEN made up a story nobody was asking about where the outcome is to give sympathy to a shy, eager to learn lad, when his form was being questioned. Lingards bro was also taking the piss out of Ole before he was sacked
Fair enough mate, I see where you're coming from as well. I think we'd all love him to come good, at any rate.
I'm saying this doesn't constitute Rashford throwing him under the bus. If he came out and said Ole was a terrible coach and manager that the players had no respect for and weren't playing for, THAT would be chucking him under the bus. Also, what if what was printed in the MEN was true? Would it still be 'throwing Ole under the bus' or simply giving his side?
Whatever he means by top red. Perhaps some folk genuinely think there's something up with Rashford. I've said before that I've got a soft spot for any player born in Manchester who's come through the academy. I'm a Manchester boy and it feels a little extra special when a local United fan breaks through into the first 11. I feel the same for Zidane Iqbal. I'm clearly biased and won't be hurling abuse at him even on social media. But thinking there's something's wrong with Rashford's mindset is hardly a person putting a player above the club.
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Ok cheers mate, for what its worth its not hate but some of us are just tired of seeing the club make mistake after mistake whilst the likes of Liverpool barely make any. Giving Rashford the new deal is after will be another mistake that we will rue for years to come, the onus is on him to earn that deal but I fear the club will panic and we will have another Rooney 2015 - 17 debacle on our hands, paying millions to a player who is a shadow of himself but also impossible to drop without a media shit storm.
I genuinely have no idea about this article. I tend to avoid the media in the aftermath of a United meltdown or defeat, and sacking Ole was the biggest meltdown we had in awhile.
It's a disgrace that he and his people did this.
I've been watching other teams recently, I've yet to see a player half as lazy and thick as rashford.
Except Fergie ALWAYS said the first thing he looked at when signing a player was their mentality- could they handle being a Man Utd player.
You think that isn’t to do with mental health? Obviously is never would have been directly mentioned or labelled at the time, but don’t think for a moment that Fergie didn’t take that into account.
A lot of people downplay these character flaws until its too late. To imagine what Ole did for him after José's toxicity and this is how he chose to repay him!I genuinely have no idea about this article. I tend to avoid the media in the aftermath of a United meltdown or defeat, and sacking Ole was the biggest meltdown we had in awhile.
It's a disgrace that he and his people did this.
On current form, I'd agree that giving Rashford a new contract would be a mistake as it sends the wrong message to his teammates and potential new signings - an ambitious club has to be ruthless and all that. That's fine when it concerns chronic underperformers like Maguire, AWB or any member of our squad this season, if we're honest. You can sell them on at the next available opportunity and no one will bat an eyelid. But Rashford is a local lad, a born and bred Manc. He will get preferential treatment from the club simply because he is an academy product. Many of the Manchester-based fans feel the same way. I'm not even from Manchester but I get it, even if I disagree.
The fact is, Rashford will be handed a new contract at the end of the season if that's what he wants. Academy products mean everything to United. You'll have to go back to the 1930's (some 4000+ games) to find a Man Utd starting 11 that did not contain at least one academy product. There's no way the club will risk ending that record by willingly selling on Rashford, certainly not after the Greenwood debacle. So yeah, it's highly likely Rashford will be here next year - unless he wants to leave, but I don't think he does. We can only hope the new manager can motivate him to reignite his career.
People forget Fergie was ruthless as feck. He sold Beckham, Stam (which was a mistake), RVN, Ince (when he realised he had become Bigtime Charlie) ,etc when they did not meet his standard anymore. All which were 100x times the player Rashford is. The way his defenders talk about him here is like he is a messi incarnate on a few match slump and we are wrong to call out his crap performance
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I think it's hard to judge that. How do you judge that Scholes would last at highest level until he's 35/36 y.o.? or Carrick, not a fiery personality or look like a leader, could fill Keane's boot and some? or Rio, a gangly looking CB with some mistakes when young, would be one of our missing piece in defence for years?
A player that doesn't give effort on the pitch should not be allowed to continue at a club like UTD. There is a reason that the club is trophyless for almost half a decade.
This.
I love Rashford as a human being, I think he's got a strong mentality, I think he tries really hard in training and it's beyond doubt he has loyalty and nothing but love for the fans and the club.
I just don't think he'll be at the level required to carry either flank beyond an option off the bench or a purple patch for a few weeks here and there. I think he's a tier below Nani and we should reflect squad status in any new contract offering or else, we consider transfer offers for him.
If he wants to be one of the key players in the first team reflected in any new deal then we should wish him the best.
I just don't think he'll be at the level required to carry either flank beyond an option off the bench or a purple patch for a few weeks here and there. I think he's a tier below Nani and we should reflect squad status in any new contract offering or else, we consider transfer offers for him.
If he wants to be one of the key players in the first team reflected in any new deal then we should wish him the best.
Not a clue.
While I agree with your support Of Rashford on the basis of him being a local boy, I can't agree with the rest though. If a person try to raise a point about his mindset being a cause for the continued below par performances, I could only consider it as an excuse which is made for a favourite player of theirs. If that is a genuine concern, the same point can be made for a player like Martial, who many thinks has stopped caring. I don't think there's anybody in here giving him a pass, or considering his mental state as a reason for the dire performances. I don't want this be become a Rashford vs Martial debate.
And his PR work hasn't helped it either. There's always fluff pieces following an array of bad performances and the very recent talk of a move away from United also is a concern for the fans. A little less talk and a bit more urgency on the field, we won't be having this discussion, I believe. Most people would applaud a trier, even though that player isn't all that good. Right now, we aren't even seeing that from Rashford. He did start the last match well, but faded pretty quickly. May be Ole continuing with him durimg his back injury has fecked him up.
So his wages are determined by his offers at that point, since he would just be leaving.
He shouldn't be anywhere near the first team but I wouldn't be too hasty to get rid of him because there's a decent player in there somewhere, perhaps the next manager will get a tune out of him. So he gets another season for me. And it's frustrating to see him playing like a zombie but like I said I wouldn't dump him just yet...he's still a good academy product.
Yeh. Giving him next season before making decision is basically handing him that kind of power. Which is just so silly.
I apologise to both mods and posters for the comment I've made on this thread a few days back. It was a bit OTT
Well, if you don't rate him. Why is it silly?
Because then you set a precedence for any player that's not in form or just not good enough and if that's the case then we may as well ban football worldwide because many would fit that criteria. Why do we think Rashford could have mental health issues just because he doesn't track back? Does AWB have the same issues because he jogs everywhere? Does Pogba/Bruno for giving away the ball so much? Shaw/Maguire for being in terrible form?
Sometimes if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and walks like a duck it's just that.....a duck.
I can't believe you just likened Rashford to a duck.
That's got to be a first for Redcafe.
How hard it is to run for 90 minutes?
Cant he do just that?
I forgive mistakes and poor performance, as long as they give their all and their best.
I do not tolerate slacking off and stopped trying. Not even for one match let alone for a good months
Short term pain long term gain. At best rashford would just be a good player, and that's a big if which may never bear fruition.
But the long term damage of giving in, new contract that would at least match his ridiculous salary, on top of that his head would get bigger and continue to piss on the fans and the club alike.
Now if this is roy keane, paul Scholes or even jaap stam i might consider it. But it's a steep price to pay for only a potentially become good again player, and that would meant he somehow change his attitude 180 degree. Which i doubt he would do, or he would have at least shown some fight the past 9 months.
Up until now i dont see remorse or realisation that he needs to knuckle down.
Is it worth the long term pain. I'd rather he be made an example and a sacrifical lamb for the new era.
Bigger and better player with better attitude have been let go in the past.
Yeah he doesn't work hard enough on the bal. I don't think that's something that can't be trained out of him though.
Sterling was different but was what got me thinking. Think they did the house for his mum & they made a drama about the gun tattoo.. it was actually the gun tattoo that got me thinking because those journalist basically did that without caring how it effected him and no repercussions. Also Sky Sports News accidentally, or otherwise , did something to add even more salt.
When did I only use Rashford as an example of a duck? I'm talking about any player out of form. Instead of looking for ulterior motives the answer could just be there staring people in the face. You say we should give Rashford the benefit of the doubt on his mental health issues but genuine question. Should all players out of form be afforded the same luxury? Or is it because Rashford is supposedly one of our own? Because if it's the former you really are opening up a can of worms.
Anyone suffering from mental health issues should be afforded some leeway, yes. But as far as I am aware, it's only Rashford who is struggling in that department. According to reports, he's been seeing a psychologist, has spent days in bed at a time, mopes around the pitch, makes subtle hints that he isn't himself via blogs/Twitter etc. He hasn't been right since the Euros.
I don't know how much of that is true as everything I know about Rashford has come from less than reliable media outlets. Either way, I feel he has earned the benefit of the doubt for his charity work alone, not to mention we all know how dangerous a player he can be when on top form.
Would it be so devastating to the club to give him the summer to work with the new manager to rediscover his best form? I don't think it would, personally.
Its not different. Its an example of Journalists making things up. Like the fact he had all these children by different women.
If these players threw ole under the bus then they can throw anyone and everyone under the bus. Ole is the "nicest" manager a player could have.
Silly to leave him with a year left in contract. Player will then have all the power in contract negotiation. If he has good season next, he can demand outrageous wage, that if we don't agree, he can decide to chill out for a year then leave for free. If he has shit season, he still can demand outrageous wage that if we don't agree, he'll just chill out for a year (half hearted effort to prevent getting injured) then leave for free and pocketing that sign on fee.
I mean, it happens with Lingard, Pogba, and Herrera. And that's also how Martial got his outrageous wage last time. Too many samples to ignore, don't you think so?
The best way for both party is performance based wage. Low base but very high upper limit. But do you think he'll agree to that?
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Yep and no doubt the same posters will be complaining why the club didn’t get rid of him sooner or gave him a new contract