That feeds directly into the cult’s attraction to him.
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Well, he's certainly been quick in the past to shut down false claims, this one still stands. I doubt anyone is concerned about Rashford joining Liverpool
It's a bonkers concept. If Holt had based his argument around Rashford coming good, it would have made more sense. Not once in the article does he even back his talent.
How expensive would it really be?
To those that still don’t think this is linked to Rashfords PR team, this journalist Oliver Holt hasn’t wrote an article about Rashford since 18 months ago and that was also about his charity work.
To be fair, when I was in my early/mid teens I would have loved a customised chain. Thank God I didn't have money. I used to wear baggy jeans and oversized NFL tops even though I never watched a game of it.
You're not the only one
Apart from the customized chain bit.Brandon is 21 though, then there's Lingard, Rashford with his similar style "Rashy" necklace. By all means, I get the dressing flashy bit, and showing off their lifestyle on social media, it's the whole massive logo with your own name, and no doubt expensive as feck, that I really can't stand.
Well at least £80m plus wages I’m assume.
For a current 5/2 winger? I’d gather it would be much less than that.
What’s 5/2 mean? If you’re looking to get a top class winger, which is what the club projects Rashford as then that’s the money you’re looking at..
Five goal / two assist. It would be rather cheap to replace this productivity, it would certainly cost more to improve upon it, but I think we could get an improvement for less than 80 million.
Well before all this Rashford was around 20 goals a season and we were looking to improve on that, so to get a 20 a season winger and especially for Man United then it would be big money.
Sancho 3/3 72m and 350K a week.
Massively different current trajectories & foreseeable futures.
We'll agree to disagree mate.
He's done the square root of sweet feck all in the game and he's wearing shit like that.
A serious question - would he be wearing something like that if he was Brandon Williams the Tesco worker?
Ego like that at his age with what he's not done in the game is worrying. Its exactly the sort of person I would clear out
Maybe I’m being harsh and the guy needs to get away and clear his head to help himself
But if I was in his form, on his money, playing for Manchester United then I would be taking every day of this break to train my nuts off, improve my fitness, strength and sharpness.
But if I was in his form, on his money, playing for Manchester United then I would be taking every day of this break to train my nuts off, improve my fitness, strength and sharpness.
Like Ronaldo? That's why he has won so much.
The fact that he can't get into the team given how poor we are speeaks volumes about his own form right now.
If he thinks leaving is best for his career, then so be it. But the timing of this just stinks so bad. Reminds me of Pogba on the eve of our make-or-break tie vs RB Leipzig last season.
So sick of these players to be honest. All the superstars at City and you never hear anything when a player is dropped. Pep rules with an iron fist there, it's clear our players don't respect the coaching staff.
If he thinks leaving is best for his career, then so be it. But the timing of this just stinks so bad. Reminds me of Pogba on the eve of our make-or-break tie vs RB Leipzig last season.
So sick of these players to be honest. All the superstars at City and you never hear anything when a player is dropped. Pep rules with an iron fist there, it's clear our players don't respect the coaching staff.
Some people work on their game to become world greatest footballers and some just fly to Dubai when they had maybe worst season of their career. Priorities.
Can we just start by selling all players who wear iced-bling.
Fecking 'BW'. Christ.
Fecking 'BW'. Christ.
I do find this intriguing. We can't press because we ain't fit enough, but they had a week off when ole was sacked, week off in January and a week off now. But yeah, depression n stuff
hadn't spotted that. Fecking footballersWhile these people are free to whatever they want in their free time, it does seem concerning that some are straight on the plane to Dubai or Florida or wherever ‘warm weather training’ takes place at the drop of a hat. I feel like sports is a profession where putting in overtime is a good thing, and those aren’t putting in a visible effort are frowned on by the employers and the fans.
The BW medallion is laughable. I would take the piss if he was a mate and say it’s like your mother putting your initials on your clothes when you were in primary school.
The BW medallion is laughable. I would take the piss if he was a mate and say it’s like your mother putting your initials on your clothes when you were in primary school.
The mistake we have made with Rashford, is the same mistake we have consistently made with the whole team. We are so needy for homegrown/ english talent. This is also apparent in our lack of modern managers over the last almost 10 years.
The assumption is that a homegrown or young English player would love the club, give their all and provide a level of certainty and stability to the club. In reality, this has led to us keeping and overpaying talent that were never truly good enough to either be here or demand the type of salary, celebration or respect they recieved. From 2010 with the likes of Welbeck, Cleverley to the Jones, Smalling debacle all the way down to the likes of Rashford, Lingard and Mctominay. We have neglected filling in certain positions with the hope of development. The problem in our player development isn't our coaching, it's our expectations that have been warped. It is very unlikely that a lot of great players develop and become superstars from one specific academy. Most great teams already have good players in their squad, which usually means that the younger player coming through has to prove their ability to displace the older good player. Foden at City had to prove that he was better or as good as the likes of Sterling and Mahrez to get the opportunities that he has had. When Busquets came through at City, he had to prove he was as good as Yaya Toure to start for Barca. At United, we have done the opposite of that. Our coaches and even fans, have encouraged not signing needed talent in order to give some young players the chance to develop. This has led to us being dependent on the future development, loyalty and performances of those players. Something that is usually far less likely to happen than people imagine. It feels similar to what Arsenal were doing in the late 2000's, relying heavily on the development of young players who either left or never reached the required level of a top talent. Arsenal, like us, wasted seasons waiting on these players to develop, which most never did. But it was " the right way".
Under Fergie, outside of Scholes, Beckham, Giggs and Neville we did not have any other first team players consistently starting at United coming through or developed through the academy. Further to this, outside of the outstanding talents of Ronaldo and Rooney, one could make the argument that we did not develop a true youngster coming in from outside the club who would start for the club. The young players we did sign, were young and already renowned like Sancho.
The assumption is that a homegrown or young English player would love the club, give their all and provide a level of certainty and stability to the club. In reality, this has led to us keeping and overpaying talent that were never truly good enough to either be here or demand the type of salary, celebration or respect they recieved. From 2010 with the likes of Welbeck, Cleverley to the Jones, Smalling debacle all the way down to the likes of Rashford, Lingard and Mctominay. We have neglected filling in certain positions with the hope of development. The problem in our player development isn't our coaching, it's our expectations that have been warped. It is very unlikely that a lot of great players develop and become superstars from one specific academy. Most great teams already have good players in their squad, which usually means that the younger player coming through has to prove their ability to displace the older good player. Foden at City had to prove that he was better or as good as the likes of Sterling and Mahrez to get the opportunities that he has had. When Busquets came through at City, he had to prove he was as good as Yaya Toure to start for Barca. At United, we have done the opposite of that. Our coaches and even fans, have encouraged not signing needed talent in order to give some young players the chance to develop. This has led to us being dependent on the future development, loyalty and performances of those players. Something that is usually far less likely to happen than people imagine. It feels similar to what Arsenal were doing in the late 2000's, relying heavily on the development of young players who either left or never reached the required level of a top talent. Arsenal, like us, wasted seasons waiting on these players to develop, which most never did. But it was " the right way".
Under Fergie, outside of Scholes, Beckham, Giggs and Neville we did not have any other first team players consistently starting at United coming through or developed through the academy. Further to this, outside of the outstanding talents of Ronaldo and Rooney, one could make the argument that we did not develop a true youngster coming in from outside the club who would start for the club. The young players we did sign, were young and already renowned like Sancho.
SAF did give plenty of opportunities to academy players not just class of 92 none became as successful but we shouldn’t forget those that were important squad or even first team players eg O’She, Brown, and Fletcher and plenty of other were given chances but we’re not good enough full stop and quickly lost their places and got moved on.
The great thing about SAF is that even with established world class players he knew when they had started to decline, so we can assume that he’d be an even better judge at sussing out what young players needed time and what players would just never make it.
The difference with Rashford is that he has demonstrated things since breaking into the first team that shows he has great potential and ability. So it’s a tough call to make. Where does patience end? Could take the Jose attitude and lose out players like Salah and De Bruyne when they’re in their early 20s. But then again could be to hopeful and get stuck with duds
Rashford is good enough.
But the drop off this season has been huge, after couple of injuries and surgery, I'm not sure if he on the downside now or its mostly mental.
His performances have been shocking especially of the ball, I'd be wondering if Ralf seeing it and recommending maybe he moves on. Just can't work it out, he seems so far of the pace and really unhappy with either his football or the club.
But the drop off this season has been huge, after couple of injuries and surgery, I'm not sure if he on the downside now or its mostly mental.
His performances have been shocking especially of the ball, I'd be wondering if Ralf seeing it and recommending maybe he moves on. Just can't work it out, he seems so far of the pace and really unhappy with either his football or the club.
He needs to consider his fecking head first. The best advice I can give him is to delete his social media for a year and focus on football and his family (not that he cares what any of us says ).
).Oh sorry. I didn't realise only high profile athletes and Hollywood celebrities are allowed to attend events. My bad. Silly me.
He hasn't shut down every claim about him in the media whether false or not.
Like Ronaldo was in Dubai the last break we had? Same as Rashford, Lingard, Maguire, Dalot and a load of other footballers?
Rashy and BW, for feck sake. I wonder do they get a Happy Meal with those chains?
When you see that and stuff like the leaked dinner menus you realise a lot of these guys are just overgrown 12 year olds.
When you see that and stuff like the leaked dinner menus you realise a lot of these guys are just overgrown 12 year olds.
"I'll take a cheeseburger with extra cheese and no veg and also macaroni cheese"
"beeeanzzz"
Of course. I feel the same way.
These footballers are basically living like what most of us dreamed of when we were in our early teens. Play football, earn huge money, feck anyone we want, zero responsibility, everyone else wipes your ass for you etc.
It’s no wonder a fair few of them get depressed in their post career, when real life hits them like a ton of bricks and all the ass-kissers have deserted them for someone else. They mostly come from poor backgrounds too so they spend like there‘s no tomorrow because their family has never had that much money. They wear all that designer gear and bling because that’s what they think rich, successful people do. In reality they look tacky, gaudy, stupid and completely out of touch with reality.
Heard some other say that. I don’t like when Ronaldo does that to. Football should always go first. Even more so when things are as they are.
However, I wouldn’t exactly compare a player who qualify as one of world greatest ever to a kid whos best merits are few trophies. To put him in same group as Lingard and Maguire doesn’t make it better. As said. Priorities. Some work hard and work extra to be better. Some don’t.
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So in your opinion United's problem has been trying to develop young homegrown players?
What a lot of bollocks
83 years of youth team players in our squads and now its an issue
Yep Di Maria, Falcao, Pogba, Lukaku, Bailly and the other 30 failed players weve signed since Fergie left arent part of the problem
Messages that long that are pointless are just a waste of data... 8 bits for every one of those characters
No, it's the insistence on giving spots in the first team to homegrown players regardless of whether their good enough or not. Then using that decision to limit signings in certain positions. Our policy isn't the problem, we've just been imitating it in the wrong way.
What's happening now is if we chose to keep giving Brown, O'shea and Fletcher chances in the first team with no competition and failing to sign Rio, Vidic, Carrick on the basis of them potentially improving.
I'm not saying it's wrong that we should not give youth a chance, but I'm saying that we've started doing it with no context. You will usually have 2 or 3 break through in a 6 year period from a good youth academy. Our fans had us forcing the likes of Pereira in the first team on the basis of having a little bit of technique and being from the academy. That type of thinking leaves you going nowhere. Giving chances to potential stars like Greenwood is one thing, but forcing through players like Mctominay and Pereira is another.
Yes everyone should look at this. We gave chances to home grown talent if they are good enough. If not tried to find another club for them. If so Robbie Savage would have played for us. That said a peak Robbie Savage would walk into this current midfield.
People are mad if they think SAF would accept the way Rashford is behaving. I mean even during games SAF would be seen swearing at players and if they gave any talk back that's the end of them.