I didn't know there was that option in his contract, but yeah that's probably the way to go. He certainly hasn't earned a salary increase nor would it help him long-term.
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I didn't know there was that option in his contract, but yeah that's probably the way to go. He certainly hasn't earned a salary increase nor would it help him long-term.
To make decision this Summer. Offer him contract, and if he refuse, just sell him.
You realise I said we should re-sign him before the 1 year is left if he regains his form?
Correction: offer him an incentive based contract with significantly lower base pay than his current deal. If he doesn't like it, then there's the door to Newcastle this summer.
He's not going to refuse, is he? He isn't going to get paid anywhere near the same amount anywhere else. He's been on the same wage as Salah and Hary Kane for years. Do you think he's fit to lace eithers boots? He'll be getting a wage hike for sure. It wouldn't surprise me if he asks for parity with Sancho who's on a ridiculous wage as well at 350k p/w.
Shaw will probably be offered a hike as well putting him on the same wage as TAA and twice as much as Robertson. Our club seems to think it's easier giving players undeserved contract extensions with a wage increase than signing players a lot better and a cheaper wage as it doesn't require much work.if we don't get out of this habit we're not winning anything for the foreseeable future. We give Rashford an extension in the summer then we've nobody else to blame but ourselves for the shitshow that's sure to follow.
We're idiots with wage structure. Couldn't be a clearer metaphor for how the club runs. It would be literally impossible for any normal club to run such a structure without going into financial ruin. One of the only places you get paid CL winning salaries + for a team that struggles to stay in the top 4.
If we're serious about turning a new page in terms of "structure" and whatnot, we should definitely look at the way contracts have been handled.
In Rashford's case, he's already on huge money. So, we obviously can't offer him a worse deal than he already has. But we don't have to offer him an improved contract.
If he wants short-term security, we can offer him an extension (one year) on the same terms.
If he doesn't agree to that, the alternatives are obvious: he can leave next year...or he can play well enough next season to make us offer him a new and improved contract.
Prove your worth, then get an improved contract - seems like a simple enough concept.
In Rashford's case, he's already on huge money. So, we obviously can't offer him a worse deal than he already has. But we don't have to offer him an improved contract.
If he wants short-term security, we can offer him an extension (one year) on the same terms.
If he doesn't agree to that, the alternatives are obvious: he can leave next year...or he can play well enough next season to make us offer him a new and improved contract.
Prove your worth, then get an improved contract - seems like a simple enough concept.
I like that idea.
We used to have a model where young players were offered - let's say - decent money. And then told that there's a hell of a lot more coming if they do well.
"Doing well" is relative, of course.
But the current policy seems to be more like "do a minimum" = "huge new contract".
Which makes no sense.
As I keep saying - the Glazers aren't stingy in terms of wages (at all), the problem is that they're pissing away money on stupid contracts (and extensions).
Sell him to who?
whoever interested at good price. How should i know what other clubs think?
I wouldn't of thought the Glazers had anything to do with contracts/extensions. My money is on Ed on the final say and now he's gone maybe, just maybe we will have learned from past mistakes.
Things are (slightly ) pointed in the right direction with Bruno. If rumours of his extension/ wage increase up to 240k are true then we're on the right track. He could of easily have asked for parity with someone like Sancho (ridiculous wage) as he is our most influential player but the club seem to have put him on a wage that they think is in the ball park and I have to say I do agree with it. It's still a lot in comparison of what other clubs offer their star players (non oil clubs) but for us it does seem to be a sensible number.
Pogba, Rashford and Shaw are going to be interesting to see the new direction this club wants to take. I have to say I have very little faith due to past dealings with other players and their contracts but you just never know. Or do we?
The fickle brigade wanting to sell Rashford can do one and feck right off. Get him under a proper manager and we’ll see the best of him again.
So his absolutely dire form and noticeable lack of hustle has been the result of coaching? Ok then....
Again? SO what exactly is the best of Rashford and that is a serious question.
Yes he is talented, yes he has had good spells....but none have lasted that long and he is now meant to be reaching his peak.
The best Rashford still probably struggles to get int he current England squad and cerainly doesnt start, there are many ahead of him.
He isnt world class and if he is seriously considering his future and wanting to elave after being dire for so long, why on earth should we be triggering the extra year in his contract?
Personally, only reasons for him being offered a new contract when his value is supposedly so high, is commercially....see LVG is actually right.
I am not saying Rashford isnt a talented player, but there are literally loads of wingers arounf Europe that are better than him in my opinion and his poor form and considering of future just for me says we should indoutedly sell him, his best position is left wing, it isnt a priority to replace, if we signed a right winger he doesnt start over SAncho if both play well, |Rashford out of form ELanga comes on over him too, football wise he actually hold little value to us at the moment
Trust me.We have seen the best of Marcus Rashford,it was his break through season.Sell.
After you're done here are you going to moan about Bruno and his new contract too?
Rashford is a fairly productive and good player when on form. We don't need world class players in every position to have a team challenging for the title. Having academy players like Rashford in the squad is vitally important to United as a club, and is evidenced by some of our great teams of the past where academy players who bled for the club would on occasion outshine the world class talent around them. Darren Fletcher who was maligned by many in his early years comes to mind.
Rashford's contributions sadly get watered down since we are in a down period, but it doesn't preclude the fact that he is actually a player good enough to play for United despite the short memories of many on here. Selling him is completely foolish and shortsighted.
I doubt anyone will wanna pay for him and pay those wages.whoever interested at good price. How should i know what other clubs think?
Newcastle, PSG
This. For all of Rashford's fault, that was a terrible terrible post. The guy basically turned into a psychiatrist and broke down Rashford in front of all of us
Some of the posts on this thread a few pages back are just plain fecking weird.
Yes he's been shite, yes it's reasonable to think he should be sold if that's your stance but assuming the bloke's character and values over how he plays football is baffling
Also getting frustrated that he is using his platform to do good when he's playing football to a level that doesn't meet your standards, it's a little loopy.
It's right a lot of footballers don't make their charity public and that's fine but there is a lot of benefit to be gained from exposure. His public approach is how he got such a backing with his political movements in the first place, but nothing was mentioned then since he was playing good football. You don't need to be a great footballer to try be a great human being. The latter will always take precedence over the former. Football is his job, If he's deemed not good enough for United he will go elsewhere, but thats no reason for him to not utilise his platform
Yes he's been shite, yes it's reasonable to think he should be sold if that's your stance but assuming the bloke's character and values over how he plays football is baffling
Also getting frustrated that he is using his platform to do good when he's playing football to a level that doesn't meet your standards, it's a little loopy.
It's right a lot of footballers don't make their charity public and that's fine but there is a lot of benefit to be gained from exposure. His public approach is how he got such a backing with his political movements in the first place, but nothing was mentioned then since he was playing good football. You don't need to be a great footballer to try be a great human being. The latter will always take precedence over the former. Football is his job, If he's deemed not good enough for United he will go elsewhere, but thats no reason for him to not utilise his platform
Yea I could see Newcastle, I think psg will be looking for better. They can afford it.
Is Rashford world class? I don’t believe he is.
Do MUFC want to pay obscene wages to average players? They shouldn’t.
Would any team pay good money for Rashford? No chance.
I see a problem.
Do MUFC want to pay obscene wages to average players? They shouldn’t.
Would any team pay good money for Rashford? No chance.
I see a problem.
Depends if they keep Poch, who seems to rate him highly.
The easy answer to every "who will buy this player?" question
His "contributions" on the football pitch this season aren't even good enough for Norwich, let alone United.
It's been a long time since he's been anything more than terrible.
I love Rashford but he's been fecking appalling for a while now.
I see some fans are still willing to put up with shite. Then they'll wonder why we aren't challenging, its because we aren't ruthless enough and as a result have too many passengers.
Either accept mid table finish or jettison the shite. Yes he is shite, out of form doesn't last years.
Either accept mid table finish or jettison the shite. Yes he is shite, out of form doesn't last years.
What about Martial?
what happen if he continue his awful form? Sell him on winter window?
He’s made playing for us look painful for far too long. Scores a goal and does that sulky celebration like yeah so what and then goes back to walking around. You can’t tell me that doesn’t rub off on the other players. Where’s the fire? Martial too and I think Greenwood for all his technique was/is headed the same way. What is that makes this happen to our players? We give them huge money, the biggest crowd in the country to play in front of and a hundred million worth of signings every year to play with. The only way is down for 99% of them so why not play with some pride and aggression? We all know there are problems behind the scenes but surely in the meantime on match day everyone should be fighting for their place and their futures instead of walking around with the look what I have to put up with attitude.
The problem is not whether he can recapture form or still has it. At Page 60 i think we've lost focus. It's about the attitude. This whole thread started based on the Fab tweet which seemingly suggested Rashford or his team are whinging about playing time and role in the squad when he does not deserve to start. If Fab is getting his info from Rashford's team and is threatening to leave for being dropped, that is much more emblematic of a really bad squad culture at the club and something we should be seeking to move on from. Talking about current or this seasons form is surface level. What we should be debating is whether we move players like Rashford on because they seemingly have no clue that bad form should come with consequences. And this is not aimed at just rashford, it seems to be a whole squad problem.
Wouldn't sell him but you couldn't pick a worse time to slag critics if you tried. He has looked Martial out there in effort, has been heavily implied to be the leaker everyone was after and is making threats to leave after a brutal period where the coach tried and tried to make it work but couldn't because of just how bad he played. Almost literally comes on and spends every other touch losing the ball. Can you imagine if this was Pogba or even Lingard doing all three? His period of form was almost a year ago. This credit in the bank would be long depleted. A whole calendar year is quite a generous time frame to allege recency bias. We would all love to have 2020 Ronaldo, Bruno, Martial, Sancho and everyone.
People expecting a system manager to fix poor system players also need to keep expectations modest. Rash is passing to defenders in RR's one touch system and ETH's system makes RR's look like A levels to rocket science. No one knows the future I guess so let's wait and see what happens.
Yes, I could moan about a lot of the contracts given out here actually. CHong has been given a contract for another season to take him to 23 despite never here or on loan looking like a player that will break through and with us aready having several good young wide players. Fernandes despite being poor fora good year now has been given a lucrative contract that takes him well in to his thirties. We have seen the likes of Mata, Matic, JOnes, YOung all in recent years given contract extensions despite being way past there best or contributign litttle then we have players holding big value we allow to run down there conracts in Pogba that we have spent an absolute fortune on and allowed to leave for free when they have been sold a long time ago.
All of these new contracts handed out despite poor performances on the whole are a very big reason why we have a squad of 36 players that is bloated and bloated with a lot of players past there best, with poor attitudes, not good enough or just not being the star players we hope they would be......and subsequently because of these big wages, they are hard to move on if we want to.
I appreciate the point you are makign regarding acadamy players, but again dont agree in the case of Rashford. Players liek Fletcher, even McTominay, OShea, Brown, Butt, Evans.......these squad players that give there all and have value in certain games, love the club and have loyalty and understand they wont play week in week out and wotn complain about playing 20-25 games a season are invaluable to a squad. But we are talking about a star player who has a lot of transfer value, who is making noise through somebody abuot beig unhappy and is complaining about a lack of game time. As I said in the first place, Rashford is a talented player, he has had good spells but his career early on mirrored Matials for instance, ithasnt really had consistent levels of start performance the whole time here, didnt find his ppsotion for a long time, there are lots of players better than him in my opinion and the alst season or so he has been awful and looks unhappy and isnt contributing effort on the pitch even. If he does want to leave and he does hold a value of £60m or so where we already have SAncho, we have back up in ELanga, we have other youngsters making there way through, why should we be bothered being blunt if he wishes to go and why on earth would it be foolish cashing in on him?
Can't believe I'm saying this but Rashford deserves a long term deal with the club. He knows where his bread is buttered and will not easily take the club for granted.
My only issue is his elevated status and that applies to this whole squad. I won't blame it on him but the club trying to suck every penny out of the lads through market and ignoring what the true responsibility of a footballer is. If I were one of them my image rights will have to be compensated adequately. For his following with youngsters, Rashford deserves the money he earns.
Our next group have to managed properly or we will continue arguing off field matters.
My only issue is his elevated status and that applies to this whole squad. I won't blame it on him but the club trying to suck every penny out of the lads through market and ignoring what the true responsibility of a footballer is. If I were one of them my image rights will have to be compensated adequately. For his following with youngsters, Rashford deserves the money he earns.
Our next group have to managed properly or we will continue arguing off field matters.
Complaining about Chong's contract being extended is not comparable to Jones or Matic getting a new contract. Completely different circumstances. Also, not comparable to Bruno.
Cant wait for the latest round of press eulogies about how mistreated he is after being yet again snubbed today.
It is called:
Confused and bemused for not being used.