RAWK goes into Meltdown 2010/2011

[Sam.G]

You record this season suggests otherwise,

4 wins in 7 games against the current top 4;
2 wins in 8 games against the current bottom 4.

You lot are game-raising c**ts, the definition of small club mentality.

Anecdotal there, Cal? Using ridiculously small parameters such as those you can make up your own conclusions. And it appears you have.

I realise the average Utd fan's need for continual dick-measuring (or at least the ones on here anyway), so don't let me stop you.

 

[Peasplease]

I love how Liverpool fans are being simultaneously laughed at for having great hope for next season and for having a smalltime mentality.

 

[Sam.G]

Nah, it was the small clubs raising their game against us.

..is a better response than mine..

 

[spinoza]

I love how Liverpool fans are being laughed at for simultaneously having great hope for next season and maintaining a ridiculous smalltime mentality.

Fixed.

 

[redman5]

You lot are game-raising c**ts, the definition of small club mentality.

20th April 1987 Manchester United 1-0 Liverpool att 54,103

5th May 1987 Manchester United 0-1 Wimbledon att 31,686

You also beat us 1-0 at Anfield that season.

 

[Cal?]

20th April 1987 Manchester United 1-0 Liverpool att 54,103

5th May 1987 Manchester United 0-1 Wimbledon att 31,686

You also beat us 1-0 at Anfield that season.

Clearly picking out 2 games in a random season over 2 decades ago provides a better sample than 15 games THIS season.

 

[londonredmaniac]

Wouldn't argue with any of that. Except to say, that a decent left-back is also a must for next season. The quality of the signings need to be that of the Suarez calibre. & as for squad depth. Well, we saw on Monday night, that even with 4 first-team players missing, we were more than good enough to see off City's multi-million pound team of all-stars. There's a few more lads coming through the ranks who have a very good chance of making the grade over the next 12-24 months. Thus swelling the depth, & improving the overall quality of the squad.

Aye. Pretty much seems the case.

I would expect with more stability next season to improve on this.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Anecdotal there, Cal? Using ridiculously small parameters such as those you can make up your own conclusions. And it appears you have.

I realise the average Utd fan's need for continual dick-measuring (or at least the ones on here anyway), so don't let me stop you.

It is not like Liverpool FIVE EUROPEAN CUPS fans ever partake in that juvenile nonsense, right, Sam?

 

[Sam.G]

The glaring answer, Cal? is Liverpool's up and down performances coupled with the relative weakness of this year's top clubs.

Whoever wins the league this season will be the best of an average bunch. While I imagine a club may well go down with a record points haul.

 

[SmashedHombre]

I realise the average Utd fan's need for continual dick-measuring (or at least the ones on here anyway), so don't let me stop you.

You what?

 

[SmashedHombre]

Whoever wins the league this season will be the best of an average bunch. .

nevermind. I've just been reminded you have a tendency for saying stupid things.

 

[Sam.G]

It is not like Liverpool FIVE EUROPEAN CUPS fans ever partake in that juvenile nonsense, right, Sam?

Of course we do, Lance. It's part of the banter.

Never seen dick-measuring quite like I do on here, mind. I hope the irony of my observation is not lost on you of course..

 

[Kraftwerker]

Sam's obsessed with dick-measuring. Must be something he spends alot of time doing himself.

Any time anyone hurts his feelings about his club they're dick measuring. He's got dick and measuring on the brain.

 

[Sam.G]

nevermind. I've just been reminded you have a tendency for saying stupid things.

A stella year in your view? For me, Utd are the best but it's not a vintage side by any means. Arsenal are Arsenal while Chelsea have been poor and Spurs and City very inconsistent. Liverpool hired Hodgson.

Chelsea of 5 years ago or Utd of 3 years ago would walk away with this league. That it's still up for grabs and will be won with a relatively low points total speaks volumes.

By all means, highlight the stupidity of that thinking.

 

[B20]

18-5, smurfcocks.

getting them in while I still can.

 

[Redlambs]

Anecdotal there, Cal? Using ridiculously small parameters such as those you can make up your own conclusions. And it appears you have.

I realise the average Utd fan's need for continual dick-measuring (or at least the ones on here anyway), so don't let me stop you.

You are always having petty little digs at this forum, yet you continue to spend a hell of a lot of time here.

Maybe it's that small time mentality, you just like being around people with winning ones, hoping some of it will rub off?

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Of course we do, Lance. It's part of the banter.

Never seen dick-measuring quite like I do on here, mind. I hope the irony of my observation is not lost on you of course..

Of course not.

That said, you should frequent Liverpool's offical website. They enjoy "dick measuring" so much they invented two league title wins.

 

[SmashedHombre]

A stella year in your view? For me, Utd are the best but it's not a vintage side by any means. Arsenal are Arsenal while Chelsea have been poor and Spurs and City very inconsistent. Liverpool hired Hodgson.

Chelsea of 5 years ago or Utd of 3 years ago would walk away with this league. That it's still up for grabs and will be won with a relatively low points total speaks volumes.

By all means, highlight the stupidity of that thinking.

Except you didn't say 'not vintage' you said 'average'. Do I really need to highlight the stupidity of that, or has it miraculously become clear?

 

[Sam.G]

Except you didn't say 'not vintage' you said 'average'. Do I really need to highlight the stupidity of that, or has it miraculously become clear?

Nah, the winner this year will be the best of an average bunch for me, SH.

I think the top teams will be stronger across the board next year.

 

[SmashedHombre]

Right. Well let's break our first team down and you can tell me which players are average.
VDS- average?
Rafael- average?
Rio- average?
Vidic- average?
Evra- average?
Nani- average?
Carrick- average?
Giggs / Scholes / Fletcher - average?
Valencia/Park- average?
Rooney - average?
Berbatov- average?
Hernandez- average?

 

[Kraftwerker]

Sam G at start of October:

This is most definitely true. And what have Utd won since the net-spenders wet dream? A Carling Cup. To which they may add another or an FA Cup this season.

It won't get a good reaction on here of course, but I think Utd are out of the running for the major trophies this season.

Now that United are very much in the running for all major trophies he's switched tack to 'United are only there because everyone else is average.'

Bitter to the core. This must be killing him after convincing himself we were no-hopers earlier in the season.

 

[Sam.G]

You are always having petty little digs at this forum, yet you continue to spend a hell of a lot of time here.

Maybe it's that small time mentality, you just like being around people with winning ones, hoping some of it will rub off?

Unfortunately it's more to do with working from home, being ill-disciplined, being easily distracted and enjoying debate.

Though I do agree your club and it's players have an incredible winning mentality. The fans? hmmm..not so sure.

 

[GaryLifo]

18-5, smurfcocks.

getting them in while I still can.

The 18 doesn't count any more fella. We equaled that one in 2009.

Fingers crossed it's going to be 19-4 back at you come the season's end

 

[Sam.G]

Right. Well let's break our first team down and you can tell me which players are average.
VDS- average?
Rafael- average?
Rio- average?
Vidic- average?
Evra- average?
Nani- average?
Carrick- average?
Giggs / Scholes / Fletcher - average?
Valencia/Park- average?
Rooney - average?
Berbatov- average?
Hernandez- average?

What/who are you comparing them to? Previous Utd sides? Or the sides they are up against in the league this season?

I would take the Utd side of 2007/08 over that side any and every day of the week.

 

[Sam.G]

Sam G at start of October:


Now that United are very much in the running for all major trophies he's switched tack to 'United are only there because everyone else is average.'

Bitter to the core. This must be killing him after convincing himself we were no-hopers earlier in the season.

Wait till you win something first, Red. Then, by all means drag that post out, and mock and scorn.

 

[GaryLifo]

VDS, Nani, Giggs, Cheech, Berbatov, Vidic and Smalling are all for me players who should be in anyone's team of the season.

Valencia on current form is also pushing for a spot there despite missing more than half the season.

 

[WeasteDevil]

They are arguing over a United fan that posts there now.

 

[utdalltheway]

18-5, smurfcocks.

getting them in while I still can.

might as well.

it's going to sound weird when you lot are shouting "5".

 

[Kraftwerker]

Wait till you win something first, Red. Then, by all means drag that post out, and mock and scorn.

Nah, you clearly thought we were no-hopers, hence the 'out of the running' comment. That's how confident you were. Tbf, your boys Chelsea were looking pretty unstoppable back then. How times change, eh.

Now you're shitting yourself and changing tack.

Transparent and predictable.

 

[GaryLifo]

I remember being very bitter when Blackburn won the title in 1995 and calling them the worst league champions I'd ever seen.

Having grown up a lot since then, I now know that winning a title takes something special over a full season and is the best measure of the best team that season.

The desire of bitter folk to make comparisons between current and past sides is not really very relevant. Graeme Souness (who I have a lot of time for despite his Liverpool connection) had it right for me last night. He pointed out that this united side is only less good than previous sides in terms of playing in the traditional all out attacking style the club is famous for. In terms of having different, yet equally good, qualities, he rated this side as good as any under Ferguson.

 

[SmashedHombre]

What/who are you comparing them to? Previous Utd sides? Or the sides they are up against in the league this season?

I would take the Utd side of 2007/08 over that side any and every day of the week.

I'm not comparing them to anyone. I'm saying this is not an average side- count the medal haul of pretty much any first eleven we put out, does that not tell you these players are not average?

It makes me laugh when people label us as being average because we haven't blown teams away. Where as if they actually watch us this season they will realize we do what only we can do so effectively- win matches without needing to step it up. That's not to say we can't step it up- the fact that whenever we're involved in a must win game we almost certainly win should tell you that- we're just far too experienced to burn ourselves out in one off games. This is a marathon, not a race. And yeah, it mean sometime we will get it wrong and slip up, but why do you think every season we're competing on two or more fronts whilst the other best English teams are competing on one? Fergie know exactly what he is doing, and o do the players on the pitch. We play to win, and we play to win every trophy we compete in. We don't play to use all our energy and play all our best football at the beginning of the season against the smaller teams, and then burn out towards the end. We know a 1-0 will do us just as well as a 5-0. And if shit hits the fan- ie West Ham, we have it in us to step it up and take teams apart at will. An average side could not do that.

 

[Sam.G]

Nah, you clearly thought we were no-hopers,

You could never label a current Utd side under Ferguson 'no-hopers', Red and to make that extraordinary odd leap to claim I said anything resembling that is merely lame one-upmanship on your part.

But did I think you would win the league or CL? No, and you still may not so put those chickens back in the coop for now..

 

[sdb4884]

Anyone seen this yet?

Liverpool Agree Deal With FC Porto Boss Andre Villa-Boas as New Manager for Next Season | CaughtOffside

Probably BS, I'm sure he'd be a popular appointment.....

 

[Talking Vulture]

If we're average, what does it make Liverpool?

 

[TheHorse'sMouth]

Pool are the biggest pack of deluded self-righteous cnuts going, ever since the idea of earth sprung up in God's mind.

The temerity to call another team 'bottler's' while you're own team have done absolutely feck all for years in the league and aren't even in a position to 'bottle' anything, is bizzare and mind-boggling to say the least.

 

[moses]

What/who are you comparing them to? Previous Utd sides? Or the sides they are up against in the league this season?

I would take the Utd side of 2007/08 over that side any and every day of the week.

They thing that's funny is you and everyone else had written them off earlier without any qualification for the would be winners in terms of their quality.

Why compare them? They are a great squad of players, managed to perfection. Nani and Valencia are top notch wingers that would fit into any squad. The centre backs are unrivalled as a pair in world football IMO. Evra is one of the top 3 fullbacks in the world, albeit in a slump. VDS has been as ngood as any keeper we've ever had this year. I remember one mistake. Rooney would get into any team in Europe. Not many teams have had 2 20+ goalscorers in a season. Giggs and Berabtov are among the best footballers this season with regards touch and intelligence. The squad has it's limits and it's not as full as icons as before, but that's good in a way, as it puts the moaning of the also rans into perspective. With money we won it and with tightened purse strings we still found a way.

 

[Sam.G]

I'm not comparing them to anyone. I'm saying this is not an average side- count the medal haul of pretty much any first eleven we put out, does that not tell you these players are not average?

I think you have misunderstood me here, SH. The term 'average' is obviously relative as is made clear by my comparisons to various other years/teams in my posts. If this Utd team wins the league, it will be the best team in the country and will deserve that tag.

But is this team as good as other years? For me, the answer is no. Are the chasing pack as strong as they have been in recent years? For me, again, the answer is no. For you, the answer to these questions is yes. It's all subjective and you won't convince me of anything and I obviously won't convince you either.

 

[Talking Vulture]

Indeed. But you also have to remember, Liverpool don't bottle it, the refs/FA/UEFA are corrupt. They don't get beat, they get cheated out of every single point they drop.

Sane people may say they're actually shite, but there you go.

 

[Sam.G]

They thing that's funny is you and everyone else had written them off earlier without any qualification for the would be winners in terms of their quality.

I can't speak for the 'everyone else' you refer to but, in October, I had Chelsea marked down as winners. I didn't expect the league to play out like it has and Chelsea to be so poor. I was wrong.

 

[Sam.G]

Why compare them? They are a great squad of players, managed to perfection. Nani and Valencia are top notch wingers that would fit into any squad. The centre backs are unrivalled as a pair in world football IMO. Evra is one of the top 3 fullbacks in the world, albeit in a slump. VDS has been as ngood as any keeper we've ever had this year. I remember one mistake. Rooney would get into any team in Europe. Not many teams have had 2 20+ goalscorers in a season. Giggs and Berabtov are among the best footballers this season with regards touch and intelligence. The squad has it's limits and it's not as full as icons as before, but that's good in a way, as it puts the moaning of the also rans into perspective. With money we won it and with tightened purse strings we still found a way.

On this, can I make special mention of VdS. Outstanding 'keeper who I haven't given credit to in the past.