RAWK goes into Meltdown 2010/2011

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Donkey's Ears said:
You said it was an appalling performance and you'd be fuming if you were a Liverpool fan.
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I would be, because they got beaten 1-0 by a penalty that wasn't a penalty. I think that's fair enough.

I mean, I was annoyed when we got beaten 1-0 by your lot and we had a penalty given against us which was a ridiculous decision, but at least it didn't impact on the game. This decision did.
 
alastair said:
I would be, because they got beaten 1-0 by a penalty that wasn't a penalty. I think that's fair enough.

I mean, I was annoyed when we got beaten 1-0 by your lot and we had a penalty given against us which was a ridiculous decision, but at least it didn't impact on the game. This decision did.
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Bollocks, you came on here banging on about both decisions and how poor Webb was.


alastair said:
Well any Liverpool forum really. It wasn't really a pen, and the red card could have been a yellow. When they're already convinced Webb hates them, it hardly helped.
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Now you are saying the red card was right, so in fact there was only one wrong decision in your mind. Not to mention the later penalty shouts, which you'll no doubt claim were all not pens.
 
alastair said:
I would be, because they got beaten 1-0 by a penalty that wasn't a penalty. I think that's fair enough.

I mean, I was annoyed when we got beaten 1-0 by your lot and we had a penalty given against us which was a ridiculous decision, but at least it didn't impact on the game. This decision did.
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But football doesn't work like that does it? From the second we went one nil up we had something to defend and didn't need to score again so obviously we won't have played the rest of the game as we would have were we still at 0-0. We're obviously not going to go all out for a second and risk them hitting us on the counter.

I thought we played fine. Undoubtedly deserved to win the tie.
 
Redlambs said:
Bollocks, you came on here banging on about both decisions and how poor Webb was.




Now you are saying the red card was right, so in fact there was only one wrong decision in your mind. Not to mention the later penalty shouts, which you'll no doubt claim were all not pens.
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He's a complete joke. His bizarre pro-scouse agenda has shined through since he was in the newbies.
 
Redlambs said:
Bollocks, you came on here banging on about both decisions and how poor Webb was.




Now you are saying the red card was right, so in fact there was only one wrong decision in your mind. Not to mention the later penalty shouts, which you'll no doubt claim were all not pens.
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I said Webb had a poor night, and I bemoaned the penalty decision, yes, because it was poor. I also said Arsenal were poor, and were beaten as a result, poor officiating or not.

I never said the red card was wrong in the first place, merely that I've seen yellows given there. None of the other penalty shouts were penalties, as you well know.

It's all very well saying that there was only one wrong decision, but it's a massive one. It's not like he gave a throw-in the wrong way or something - he gave you a big chance for a goal in the game through a poor decision. I'm sure it was an innocent mistake, but it's undeniable.
 
alastair said:
I never said the red card was wrong in the first place, merely that I've seen yellows given there.
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Yeah, and I'm saying that's a stupid point to try to make. Just because YOU'VE seen them given as yellows, doesn't make the rules automatically change now does it? It doesn't make a two footed lunge from the air right does it? It doesn't add to your point about Webb being poor does it?


It's all very well saying that there was only one wrong decision, but it's a massive one. It's not like he gave a throw-in the wrong way or something - he gave you a big chance for a goal in the game through a poor decision. I'm sure it was an innocent mistake, but it's undeniable.
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Errr, I don't think he only got one decision wrong, you seem to. I've never once claimed it was a penalty.

That's the difference between us, you came on here running your mouth playing devil's advocate for the scouse idiots, and had to backtrack because half your point was, well, pointless.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Hold on a second. Is the penalty award the only "poor decision" that matters here?

What about the two blatant penalties he DIDN'T award us in the second half?
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Seriously, which ones were they? I don't think any of the ones I saw were "blatant" but I would say that they were more of penalties than the Berbatov one.

One of the disadvantages of getting an early, and slightly dodgy, penalty is that there's no way you're going to get another one in the same game, and that went against you. If it had been 0-0 you may well have got one.
 
alastair said:
I'm just checking my rep now, and two of the last four rep points I received were for a "sensible, balanced viewpoint" on SAF. I'm so proud of how well I disguised my apparent Scouse love and ABU beliefs in the closet. :boring::boring:
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The person who did it regrets it now.

We had a long winded discussion about you as an idiot/scouse wum, but you accidentally slipped through the cracks.
 
alastair said:
Seriously, which ones were they? I don't think any of the ones I saw were "blatant" but I would say that they were more of penalties than the Berbatov one.

One of the disadvantages of getting an early, and slightly dodgy, penalty is that there's no way you're going to get another one in the same game, and that went against you. If it had been 0-0 you may well have got one.
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Of course you didn't see the other ones. Scouse Vision.
 
alastair said:
Seriously, which ones were they? I don't think any of the ones I saw were "blatant" but I would say that they were more of penalties than the Berbatov one.

One of the disadvantages of getting an early, and slightly dodgy, penalty is that there's no way you're going to get another one in the same game, and that went against you. If it had been 0-0 you may well have got one.
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Exactly. So we deserved at least one penalty, whatever happened.
 
Bryan_Munich said:
It's convenient to ignore them when you have an agenda.
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Similar to the game against Birmingham where all the talk was about the penalty they should've got early in the match and Neville red carded. I didn't see a single mention anywhere of the fact we also had a blatant penalty turned down in the second half of the same match.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Exactly. So we deserved at least one penalty, whatever happened.
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Depends on your logic really. If you go on the logic that you had two 50/50 ones, then yes, you merited one. It was the same in our game yesterday - we had two shouts(although Walcott has admitted one was a bit of a simulation) and we got one, which seemed fair enough in the end.
 
MadDogg said:
Similar to the game against Birmingham where all the talk was about the penalty they should've got early in the match and Neville red carded. I didn't see a single mention anywhere of the fact we also had a blatant penalty turned down in the second half of the same match.
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Yep.
 
MadDogg said:
Similar to the game against Birmingham where all the talk was about the penalty they should've got early in the match and Neville red carded. I didn't see a single mention anywhere of the fact we also had a blatant penalty turned down in the second half of the same match.
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It was West Brom, and that's very true. When you say everybody though, it's basically everyone who wants to see the underdog do well. The media always favour them, and gloss over the decisions that go for them - it's not exclusively a United thing.
 
alastair said:
Depends on your logic really. If you go on the logic that you had two 50/50 ones, then yes, you merited one. It was the same in our game yesterday - we had two shouts(although Walcott has admitted one was a bit of a simulation) and we got one, which seemed fair enough in the end.
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"A bit of a simulation"?

Honestly, your wummery is wearing extremely thin.

Storey and Dumpstar get to do it because they've been around for ages.
 
Bearded but no genius said:
"A bit of a simulation"?

Honestly, your wummery is wearing extremely thin.

Storey and Dumpstar get to do it because they've been around for ages.
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Walcott said it was a "bit of a dive" but that he was told to go down "when he felt the slightest touch". Bit of a simulation seems fair enough. You're just literally taking anything out of my posts to try and call it wumming, when you know deep down it's not.

Cheers for the new tag-line by the way.
 
Bearded but no genius said:
You laugh because you still can't believe your luck at being promoted.
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I like the poster, he's not abusive in any way and can generally hold a conversation, but he's always had this tendency to have a pro-scouse agenda. When he was in the newbie I thought that he was a closet scouser hiding under the cloak of being an Arsenal fan, but he is also clearly an Arsenal fan. Maybe his dad is a scouser and he has been brought up in or around London and is like the handkerchief knotted onto the rope in a tug of war contest.
 
Redlambs said:
Yeah, and I'm saying that's a stupid point to try to make. Just because YOU'VE seen them given as yellows, doesn't make the rules automatically change now does it? It doesn't make a two footed lunge from the air right does it? It doesn't add to your point about Webb being poor does it?
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Spot on, that's the point here. It doesn't matter if you've seen yellows given for tackles like that, the incident here was a clear red, so why even say that?
 
Hectic said:
Spot on, that's the point here. It doesn't matter if you've seen yellows given for tackles like that, the incident here was a clear red, so why even say that?
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The point was more that it was only literally last week when Webb gave Barton a yellow for an extremely similar challenge and it seems a bit bizarre to give Gerrard a red so soon afterwards.

For what it's worth, I think both should have been red cards. Getting away from the whole Webb debate here, Gerrard's lucky he didn't break Carrick's leg.
 
WeasteDevil said:
I like the poster, he's not abusive in any way and can generally hold a conversation, but he's always had this tendency to have a pro-scouse agenda. When he was in the newbie I thought that he was a closet scouser hiding under the cloak of being an Arsenal fan, but he is also clearly an Arsenal fan. Maybe his dad is a scouser and he has been brought up in or around London and is like the handkerchief knotted onto the rope in a tug of war contest.
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I thought the same thing until tonight. I suppose we all can make a prick of ourselves at times, but the lack of any admission he's wrong shows he isn't as rational as I once thought.

But I suppose that's gooners all round ;)
 
Redlambs said:
Then you are plainly an idiot.

Fwiw, I think you are a gooner. The way you seem to think you are right, whilst making a twat of yourself within your first two posts is very gooner like.
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This.
Plus his twattish, arrogant behaviour in threads.

And I already thought that he was one of the more sensible Arse fans that are posting on here 2 weeks or so ago.
I was very wrong.
 
alastair said:
I would be, because they got beaten 1-0 by a penalty that wasn't a penalty. I think that's fair enough.

I mean, I was annoyed when we got beaten 1-0 by your lot and we had a penalty given against us which was a ridiculous decision, but at least it didn't impact on the game. This decision did.
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Don't you think you should be 'fuming' with Gerrard? The game was over when he was sent off not when the penalty went in.

That was the crucial moment and Gerrard's madness had nothing to do with being 1-0 down. It's not like he had one minute left and just desperately tried to get the ball.

The penalty is not enough to start whinging about. It was soft, it wasn't Pires like awful.

Only a die hard RAWKite should be talking like that.

Oh hang on...
 
Redlambs said:
I thought the same thing until tonight. I suppose we all can make a prick of ourselves at times, but the lack of any admission he's wrong shows he isn't as rational as I once thought.

But I suppose that's gooners all round ;)
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What am I wrong about though?

It wasn't a penalty - I'm not factually wrong on that, it's open to opinion.

It was a red card - we're all agreed.
 
Donkey's Ears said:
Don't you think you should be 'fuming' with Gerrard? The game was over when he was sent off not when the penalty went in.

That was the crucial moment and Gerrard's madness had nothing to do with being 1-0 down. It's not like he had one minute left and just desperately tried to get the ball.

The penalty is not enough to start whinging about. It was soft, it wasn't Pires like awful.

Only a die hard RAWKite should be talking like that.

Oh hang on...
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I agree that Liverpool had no chance when Gerrard went off, but if they were 0-0 at the time, they could have literally sat 10 behind the ball and gone for a replay. They were unable to do that. Gerrard was stupid, but in a game of two almost equally key decisions, I think the first one, which was wrong, just about pips it.
 
I'm not sure why Alastair is getting harangued here.

We shouldn't have a go at opposition fans just because they make statements that aren't congruent with our view of things. The quality of the forum would be diminished if we censored all the quality opposition posters.
 
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