Well he's on that flag on the kop with Shankly and Paisley. That European cup has turned him into a legend, rightly or wrongly.
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The Huang pullout has really sent them into a tizzy.
I do understand his status as a legend due to the '05 European Cup, of course I do, I just don't understand those putting him up there with Shankly, Paisley or even Fagan (maybe more as a member of staff & an assistant manager, but still).
Benitez pulled off a miracle in Europe '05, did very well in Europe generally (final '07), and was a very decent manager.
I just don't understand calling him 'the Shankly of our generation'. If anyone deserves to be called that I think it's Kenny Dalglish.
eh??
the man who won trophies with an inherited team and then proceeded to turn it into crap with David Speedie and similar "quality" - then left Souness with said pile of crap and all the blame. Ludicrous to compare him with Shankly or Paisley
Dalglish also signed the likes of Barnes, Beardsley, Aldridge, Mcmahon, & Houghton during his time as manager. All key figures in one of the best Liverpool sides I've ever seen. We were top off the league when he resigned in January 1991. Souness took over & promptly sold Peter Beardsley, replacing him with the far 'superior' Dean Saunders. Also bringing in similar quality players in the shape of Julian Dicks & Paul Stewart.
Kenny's side won 3 titles & 2 FA Cups in 5 years. He fully deserves to be held in high esteem at Anfield. If Alex Ferguson could have paid someone at the time to bring Liverpool to it's knees. He'd have struggled to find a more competent man than Graham Souness.
Agreed. However where it comes to succession planning, Dalglish failed so miserably leaving Sounesss with a team full of 30 year olds.
To make things worse for Souness, as soon as he took over, UEFA introduced the 4 foreigners rule, whereby the number of non-Englishmen in european competitions could not exceed 4 players in european competitions.
So in order to replace his ageing squad Souness had to chose from an even more restricted pool of players. Maybe that's why he ended up signing the Dicks and Ruddocks of this world.
Paul Stewart. Snigger.
In general I agree, and re-reading my earlier post I see I managed to completely arse up the point I was trying to make.
Personally I think there is no Liverpool manager of 'our generation' anywhere near Shankly's calibre, and I find it silly calling someone 'the new Shankly' (or 'the new Busby'). My point was simply that if someone somehow insisted on calling a manager 'the Shankly of our generation', the closest fit would be Dalglish -- certainly not Benitez.
It was a clumsy way of trying to say that while I certainly can see Dalglish as a true Liverpool man, and as someone continuing in the Boot Room tradition, I find it baffling to see Benitez included in that company.
Forever held in high esteem for the '05 European Cup? Certainly.
A genuine Liverpool man with a special understanding of The Liverpool Way (compared to say Evans or Houllier), carrying on the legacy of Shankly, Paisley and Fagan? That's what I just can't see, and I'd find it very interesting to hear our resident Scousers' opinion on this.
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Kenny Dalglish resigned the day after a 4-4 draw with Merseyside rivals Everton. The team that played that night had just 2 players over the age of 30 (Bruce grobbelaar 34 & Glyn Hysen 32). This side was sitting top of the table when Kenny packed it in. Having also won the title the previous year. Graham Souness replaced the ageing Hysen with Mark Wright. One of his better buys it must be said. He also had the luxury of having a talented young lad called Steve McManaman breaking through into the first team. He was followed a season or two after, by Robbie Fowler.
Souness's problem was that he tried to fix things that didn't need fixing. He wanted to change things that didn't require changing. He got rid of good players, & replaced them with inferior ones - He had an awful lot going for him when he took over. To blame Dalglish for this guy's shortcomings, is way off the mark.
They really don't like Scholes over there do they?
I m not saying that dalglish is to blame for everything. Also you failed to mention the new '4 foreigners' quota introduced by uefa which restricted the pool from which new signings could be chosen.
Any United player that gets the slightest media praise suddenly becomes the victim of a lot of scouse hate. From Giggs to Macheda, Scholes to Hernandez, anyone who gets their picture on the backpages becomes enemy number one.
You would have thought there was more chance of Scholsey snapping Ladyboy's legs though wouldn't you? No need though, because he'll probably get injured getting up of the bench anyway...
Fancy wishing physical injury on someone like that, how desperate can you get?
Despite Scholes not being the best tackler in the game, I don't remember him actually injuring anyone with one of his 'wayward' tackles, certainly not seriously anyway.
Bobby Charlton admits, whilst priasing Scholes, that he was no great shakes in the tackling department either. Didn't stop him being the legend that he became though did it?
I still laugh at those scousers who went out had had DICKS written on the back of their shirts....comedy gold
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selling steve staunton and replacing him with julian dicks sticks in my mind
selling steve staunton and replacing him with julian dicks sticks in my mind
They seem to have an issue with his tackling, they're convinced he's a dirty player. I don't think he is. Like others have said, when has he actually put somebody on the sidelines due to one of his 'dirty' tackles? Just look at the likes of Mascherano, Lucas and Gerrard who aren't afraid to be dirty like that. Yet the Liverpool fans love their players getting stuck in like that.
They simply don't like Scholes because he's such a wonderful player, I guess it's jealousy.
Of course it's jealousy, they are a bunch of bitter twats.
Good idea. It's not like they can claim any intellectual rights on this.
I really hate it when fans pull out the "get fat arses out of the team and puts some kids in" line...
Did find this on RAWK though:
28 bloody first-teamers and no room for one of your most promising youngsters...
Did find this on RAWK though:
28 bloody first-teamers and no room for one of your most promising youngsters...
Considering Kenny left Souness a few young lads in the shape of Redknapp, McManaman, & Fowler. In my book, that's a pretty good legacy. All became England international players too. So I'm not too sure where you're coming from on this one.
rawk have a new email campaign
500 mails will convince banks not to do business worth millions
The Kop Faithful - please send the emails as instructed to challenge refinance
500 mails will convince banks not to do business worth millions
The Kop Faithful - please send the emails as instructed to challenge refinance
To be honest it's about as much they can do - after all, RBS is under a significant influence by the taxpayer and the club refinances under a bank that isn't under as much influence, then they will be even more helpless.
If I'm the bank, i'd be pissed to know that my precious mailbox filled with those filthy boycott this and that.
Like feck I care about football club, maybe some of us will take extra measures, but then again we're paid to do jobs, and telling me to boycott everything to save a football club I have no attachment whatsoever was ridiculous at best.
They've become restless and obsessed with the emails campaign
Like feck I care about football club, maybe some of us will take extra measures, but then again we're paid to do jobs, and telling me to boycott everything to save a football club I have no attachment whatsoever was ridiculous at best.
They've become restless and obsessed with the emails campaign
Perfect for a scouser, get signed off with depression and start claiming True - but there really isn't much they can do, barring direct action and protesting.
Nothing beats the greaser used to ride his hog around our town with Hells Angles on the back of his jacket.
I bet the police does.
Hodgson:"We were unbelievably overstaffed"
The level of fail in this thread is.
Extra points to rednich85 who clearly doesn't understand what Woy is talking about when he's talking about overstaffed.
It's the stupid number of crap youngsters Rafa has signed clogging up the wages - the players who are stuck between the Reserves and the first-team.
Uefa slam 'ridiculous' Premier League squad sizes | Football | The Observer
Granted this is before all the transfers have been worked out (they've lost a net 9 players I believe, although some are on loan), but 62 players is Rafa's biggest legacy - literally.
Bonus points to every RAWK poster who for some reason no longer believes Dalla Valle and Németh were worth keeping.
The level of fail in this thread is
.Extra points to rednich85 who clearly doesn't understand what Woy is talking about when he's talking about overstaffed.
It's the stupid number of crap youngsters Rafa has signed clogging up the wages - the players who are stuck between the Reserves and the first-team.
Uefa slam 'ridiculous' Premier League squad sizes | Football | The Observer
Granted this is before all the transfers have been worked out (they've lost a net 9 players I believe, although some are on loan), but 62 players is Rafa's biggest legacy - literally.
Bonus points to every RAWK poster who for some reason no longer believes Dalla Valle and Németh were worth keeping.
Some of the RAWKers are finding themselves agweeing with Woy. Most were only looking to see him fail just so it would have made Benitez look better. In less than one year they will be saying how well Hodgson has done because he manged to get rid of the awful team he inherited. I predicted all this (it must be) well over a year ago.
Allow me to sidetrack a little. I have been to RAWK a couple of times, in fact more than a couple of times, especially after their defeat to gloat over their pain. One thing i have grown to hate immensely is how they attributed the sale of Gerald Pique to that of a Fergie's mistake. Everybody here knows that Fergie rated the boy very highly then, but when Pique was asking to be allowed to return to Catalan when Barcelona tabled a bid, Fergie gave his blessings, and in fact wrote a letter encouraging him, and lamenting an obvious loss. Fergie did not make a mistake. He was selfless and didn't want to deter the progress of a very talented young centreback, especially with Rio and Vidic being the top pairing in Europe. Could somebody with an account please go educate those bunch of feckwits, especially that topic where they comment on the worst transfers in the league and included Forlan and Pique as obvious choices.To be fair SB that entire thread is stupid - it's gone from a skewed list of bad sales to listing any club that sold any player who went on to do well.
It irkes me greatly. I can't believe anybody would really think that Fergie made a mistake with Pique. Any fan with half a brain knows that the lad is very talented then. Superb distribution, very good in the air and technically flawless, even at age 19. His lack of pace was probably the only weakness. It seems that rather than stagnating his progress, and allowing him to flourish, it became a Fergie's mistake? FFS.... even Shawcross was highlighted as a grave mistake.
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