I think it is pretty clear that there are no big difference in terms of goal threats from the two players. You are the one claiming that one is much more of a goal threat than the other one, based on no facts whatsoever.
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I think it is pretty clear that there are no big difference in terms of goal threats from the two players. You are the one claiming that one is much more of a goal threat than the other one, based on no facts whatsoever.
It is not ment to go anywhere, I think (in my humble opinion) that people are taking the piss out of you - with good reason.
Is this a valid opinion?
No, because its not a fact
What is a valid oppinion is that Alastair is a flouncy metrosexual gooner homogay who likes the boys.True.
Like when you thought it was a "disgrace" to "overturn" a linesman's "decision", which he made by holding his flag up after a goal had been awarded?
Everyone was calling you an idiot and a retard then.
YAWN.
Yet another in a long line of posts that are off-topic, tedious, stupid, and utterly ridiculous.
Do you ever contribute to a thread in a meaningful way?
Bit harsh on alastair here fellas.
Something still evident in the team today. We did well against Chelsea, well against Arse with 10 men but shite against Stoke, Blackpool (long list this one, think I'll leave it there)...
Rafa did have us causing all teams problems because we dominated possession so extensively with Alonso, Masch/Momo and Gerrard. This was our strongest weapon, our backbone and it got ripped out the day Rafa went after Barry. So he did have us dominating games in a sense, but only for a short period and we still struggled to break parked buses down because we lacked quality wide players.
why would he think Barry was better than Alonso though?
You should know the official line of events by now.
Barry was being bought to get the best out of Robbie Keane. This is also why Robbie Keane failed - because Gareth Barry wasn't purchased.
You see Erica, you buy one mediocre over-priced waste of space to get the best out of another.
You should know the official line of events by now.
Barry was being bought to get the best out of Robbie Keane. This is also why Robbie Keane failed - because Gareth Barry wasn't purchased.
You see Erica, you buy one mediocre over-priced waste of space to get the best out of another.
so that was the plan!
The worst thing is, I'm not even taking the piss with this one. That was the plan.
Tell me you're kidding.
Nope.
From the fat horse's mouth:
Rafael Benitez: when door was shut on Gareth Barry | Liverpool - Times Online
Wow.
Its well known that Rafa wanted to ditch Alonso for Barry. What a buffoon.
Whenever Keane is brought up on RAWK as a bad transfer the usual defense is "Rafa wanted Barry and not Keane so it doesn't count"
Whenever Keane is brought up on RAWK as a bad transfer the usual defense is "Rafa wanted Barry and not Keane so it doesn't count"
If Rafa had got his way that summer, Liverpool quite possibly would never have even mounted a title challenge.
He kind of stumbled across a system that worked, with Gerrard in the hole - rather than in his planned 4-man midfield with Barry left-wing (feeding the ball into Keane).
Then after stumbling onto something that worked, he fecked that up too.
The man is my hero.
He kind of stumbled across a system that worked, with Gerrard in the hole - rather than in his planned 4-man midfield with Barry left-wing (feeding the ball into Keane).
Then after stumbling onto something that worked, he fecked that up too.
The man is my hero.
Hmmm. What do Rafa apologists have to say about these latest revelations?
FFS
Those quotes can't be real ^^
Sadly they are, i remember when they first came out and how i laughed.
Yep. The plan was to sell Alonso to Juve, the man who turned out to be their player of the season and replace him with Gareth fecking Barry.
Xabi properly fecked them by demanding a move the following summer when no replacement was on the horizon.
Xabi properly fecked them by demanding a move the following summer when no replacement was on the horizon.
It was pretty catastrophic by Benitez, and pretty much indefensible. One thing though - Barry was actually quite highly rated when he was at Villa. It wasn't deemed as weird a move as it would be now. Still, Robbie Keane was always going to be a shocking signing, he's bang average.
They later claimed Robbie Keane was forced upon poor Rafa.
It was all supposed to be the doing of those 'evil owners'* wasn't it?
*Previously known as the Americans that were so much better than ours.
No-one forced Keane upon Benitez, but I don't think anyone tried to claim that? Not even RAWK.
You haven't read RAWK long enough then.
Don't you know? Keane was a Parry signing because Rafa never had "full control".
Ofcourse when Parry was shipped out and Rafa got more control they finished 7th. But then that was all Purslow's fault for changing everything. On Rawk Rafa is like teflon. Nothing sticks.
Alastair, I actually think you're alright but you don't help yourself sometimes!
Given you've just had a go at Caftards who've made things up about Benitez's past, namely that he was alright at Valencia, you've gone and made things up about his past too.
Gareth Barry for Alonso was always a mind-boggling move. It was that summer that most of the people I know realised that Rafa actually was the cancer that was killing the 'Poo. It wasn't deemed as weird a move as it would be now because Barry's since gone to City and been completely shown up, removing all doubt of the "what if he went to a big(ish) team?" thinking but it was nowhere near sane thought. Honestly, that summer was the summer that sane Liverpool fans said they wanted rid of him and the rest of the world realised he was a loony. He was highly rated but that was because he was at his level. Captain of a decent premiership team. I don't think anyone seriously expected him to move up.
You said yourself, Rafa's pursuit of him was pretty much indefensible. You should've just let it slide.. I think you like the punishment!
Alastair, I actually think you're alright but you don't help yourself sometimes!
Given you've just had a go at Caftards who've made things up about Benitez's past, namely that he was alright at Valencia, you've gone and made things up about his past too.
Gareth Barry was Alonso was always a mind-boggling move. It was that summer that most of the people I know realised that Rafa actually was the cancer that was killing the 'Poo. It wasn't deemed as weird a move as it would be now because Barry's since gone to City and been completely shown up, removing all doubt of the "what if he went to a big(ish) team?" thinking but it was nowhere near sane thought. Honestly, that summer was the summer that sane Liverpool fans said they wanted rid of him and the rest of the world realised he was a loony. He was highly rated but that was because he was at his level. Captain of a decent premiership team. I don't think anyone seriously expected him to move up.
You said yourself, Rafa's pursuit of him was pretty much indefensible. You should've just let it slide.. I think you like the punishment!
That's a fair post.
It was still a weird choice, but Alonso's final season was his best by a long way at Liverpool, probably because Benitez' mismanagement of him basically meant Alonso had a season to put himself in the shop window.
Barry was always an inferior player to Alonso though, and the pursuit of him was bizarre. The fact he was English may have had something to do with it, because Liverpool hadn't many of them at the time, but it was still indefensible. I'll admit to actually thinking at the time that I could be wrong, and that it could well be a stroke of genius, but obviously it proved otherwise, which was always the more likely eventuality.
That summer, in my view, is Benitez' worst period in management, and was the catalyst for his departure.
I think the rationale they used to try to explain the Keane saga was....of course it didn't work. Because as Rafa said, Barry was phase 1, and Keane phase 2, one Barry didn't happen...Keane shouldn't have happened....
Again we have to remember the theory was, Barry would be a winger who would beat his man...show great control, and boss the game, and then put in crosses for Keane to nod in.
Again we have to remember the theory was, Barry would be a winger who would beat his man...show great control, and boss the game, and then put in crosses for Keane to nod in.
So it was a horrible plan from phase one.I think the rationale they used to try to explain the Keane saga was....of course it didn't work. Because as Rafa said, Barry was phase 1, and Keane phase 2, one Barry didn't happen...Keane shouldn't have happened....
Again we have to remember the theory was, Barry would be a winger who would beat his man...show great control, and boss the game, and then put in crosses for Keane to nod in.
The usual scouse excuse for the Robbie Keane debacle is he was never a rafa signing (despite scousers at the time hailing Benitez for the signing sighting it as the missing piece of the jigsaw ) rafa never wanted him apparently, of course a man who fought tooth and nail to have absolute power of who even the tea lady was at anfield had no input in a 20 million outlay on a new purchase......Yeah ok.
As for wanting Gareth Barry at the expense and more than willing expense of Xabi Alonso that quite possibly has to go down as one of the worst managerial foresights of modern time and shows beyond doubt Benitez is utterly hopeless in the transfer market, its like Sir Alex aiming to replace an in prime Paul Scholes with a modern day Lee cattermole.
No wonder Inter Milan give this idiot no say in transfers whatsoever.
) rafa never wanted him apparently, of course a man who fought tooth and nail to have absolute power of who even the tea lady was at anfield had no input in a 20 million outlay on a new purchase......Yeah ok.As for wanting Gareth Barry at the expense and more than willing expense of Xabi Alonso that quite possibly has to go down as one of the worst managerial foresights of modern time and shows beyond doubt Benitez is utterly hopeless in the transfer market, its like Sir Alex aiming to replace an in prime Paul Scholes with a modern day Lee cattermole.
No wonder Inter Milan give this idiot no say in transfers whatsoever.
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Firstly, pressing has been around since the 70s and 80s. Not entirely modern.
Secondly, Rafa was so ahead of the modern game that he wanted to replace Alonso a very modern playmaker with Barry.
Rafa signed his death warrant trying to farm off Alonso for Barry. But at the time the move wasn't as preposterous as hindsight now shows. Alonso was on the back of two relatively average seasons and Barry had been very good for Villa. No excuses for Benitez there of course but just adding a little much needed perspective.
Keane was very much a Benitez signing. It's ridiculous you lot take the odd RAWK poster at face value when it suits. To my mind, Rafa compounded his initial error in signing Keane by not replacing him in the January he sold him, leaving us a striker shy. More poor transfer dealings in my view.
Keane was very much a Benitez signing. It's ridiculous you lot take the odd RAWK poster at face value when it suits. To my mind, Rafa compounded his initial error in signing Keane by not replacing him in the January he sold him, leaving us a striker shy. More poor transfer dealings in my view.
Yes - but he was only making the decisions because the owners wanted it that way - and the owners would have okayed it - so it was obviously their fault for not giving Benitez carte blanche and full right of veto.
Only to illustrate the teflon-Rafa delusion common amongst a number of 'poo supporters.
If you're intent on signing an average Joe like Barry, you at least play him as a DM, not as your left sided attacking threat.
You can understand a small team doing something like that to make themselves more solid but not a team which is supposed to challenge for honours.
It's negativity and lack of ambition right out of the Roy Hodgson manual of football.
You can understand a small team doing something like that to make themselves more solid but not a team which is supposed to challenge for honours.
It's negativity and lack of ambition right out of the Roy Hodgson manual of football.
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This is sweet.
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