Every fan thinks his/her club is the most persecuted by the media, it's natural that you will read more about your own club and will have a defensive attitude to any criticism. In truth, for the most part, the media just love to slag off the big clubs.
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Every fan thinks his/her club is the most persecuted by the media, it's natural that you will read more about your own club and will have a defensive attitude to any criticism. In truth, for the most part, the media just love to slag off the big clubs.
Yeh, very fair point. What bugs me the most is how cliched the articles are about Arsenal. There's very rarely any interesting insight. Something which I imagine is similar with United.
You have got to be on a wum.
Who do you think it is?
Sorry, I forgot the smiley to indicate it was a light hearted comment.
In all seriousness I don't think any single club is persecuted. I like to read all the reports and the journalism level is just poor all round.
I do, however, think the media generally have a wank-fest over your lot every time they win well, then kind of make fun when they lose. Build 'em up and all that.
Everybody adores Arse...mention Arse & the media have orgasms, especially over Nasri...
The reason they were so upset when we beat them is becasue the beautiful & wonderful Arse didn't do there beautiful & wonderful stuff.
Men against boys, as Evra said...but this belongs in a different thread...
So...Rafa...what a tosser...
The reason they were so upset when we beat them is becasue the beautiful & wonderful Arse didn't do there beautiful & wonderful stuff.
Men against boys, as Evra said...but this belongs in a different thread...
So...Rafa...what a tosser...
Who do you think it is?
That is true. In terms of wider media, I once heard Peter Drury commentate on one of our games. It was absolutely cringe-worthy.
The media are completely uninsightful and driven by the results in front of them - two months ago they all were saying Chelsea are a shoo-in for the title.
Indeed.
They are now currently abusing former player and Liverpool legend John Aldridge for daring to say he doesn't want Benitez back there, his words "rafa back? things are bad enough as it is"
In response the Rafa brigade have sought to deface his twitter page with abuse in benitez's defence, its not a fanbase any more its a cult, and im actually starting to wonder whether its become a danger to the public, you could be taking your life in your own hands criticising rafa today!
In response the Rafa brigade have sought to deface his twitter page with abuse in benitez's defence, its not a fanbase any more its a cult, and im actually starting to wonder whether its become a danger to the public, you could be taking your life in your own hands criticising rafa today!
Yep. The media are just band wagoners. For example right now Tottenham and Bale are the flavor of the month. Soon it will be someone else.
I don't buy the whole there is a wider conspiracy against a certain team or manager. There will be certain journos who will have their own biases which is normal. But there are enough voices within the media to balance these out. All in all the media is quite boring with what they say. Frankly those who think the media has it in for their manager or team suffer from extreme paranoia.
deluded fecks....as I said once before, Rafa could burn anfield down, call them all cnuts live in a press conference and go round to each and every one of their houses and do a large turd on their living room carpets - and they'd still hero worship him.They are 5 points behind Spurs, 9 points behind Chelsea. It's not the total disaster people are making it out to be - yet! The year they won the CL with Benitez they ended up 5th - 38 points behind Chelsea and 19 behind United who came 3rd that year, yet he was hailed as the best manager in the world for a fluke. 38 points off top spot!
And I fixed your statement.
rorysmith_tel twitter said:
I wonder what their reaction to this will be (if true), taking the european champions and treble winners to 7th in the table and demanding new signings to improve their squad and rightly getting the sack for it.
Oh feck off
To be fair he does have a bit of a point, that Milan side basically switched off for the first part of that second half thinking they would cruise through it. You have to give credit to Liverpool and the players for coming back, but 9 times out of 10 against that Milan side you wouldn't have clawed back a 3 goal deficit.
But that's why we love football! You never know what could happen.
5th
and of course the final was the first game played in winnign that cup.
I guess yours was a fluke as Terry fell on his feckin arse?
Yes we were very lucky to win it, as we were in '99. But if memory serves you were lucky to get out of the group stages, goal difference wasn't it thanks to a last minute goal?
Any Cafe posters on Rawk that have not been banned yet?
I guess a lot depends on how you define luck.
Need luck to win anything. We could all isolate incidents in a season that were instrumental...if that never happened, 6 inches higher, without that deflection, with that last minute pen.
Fact is teams just dont win things they don't deserve.
Fact is teams just dont win things they don't deserve.
Really? So you've never seen a game won that wasn't deserved?
Did you watch the cup final in '05?
What happens if the ref gives an incorrect penalty in the last minute? Does the rest of the game magically transform into one in which the penalised side played worse?
Did you watch the cup final in '05?
What happens if the ref gives an incorrect penalty in the last minute? Does the rest of the game magically transform into one in which the penalised side played worse?
Unfortunately I've seen you boys win a lot of games you didn't deserve. That's football, however your constant need to downgrade anything Liverpool have won as being lucky is a bit small-time.
I don't agree with the notion that Istanbul was a fluke. Obviously there was a significant element of luck - any penalty shoot-out has that, for starters. The same goes for us in 09 - massive element of luck. If you play those two games a hundred times from 1-0 in the 89th minute and 3-0 at half-time, neither of us wins very often at all. But as I said earlier, both were also significant acts of never-say-die courage, which also make them deserved. It's not a binary thing.
Hehe I knew 05 would come up
Yes I did watch it...My point is winning trophies. You don't get lucky 6 times in the FA Cup, or lucky 13 times in the European Cup or 38 times in the course of a league season.
Not so much referring to one off games.
Good post. Agree 100%
Istanbul was a fluke. Or perhaps an anomaly at the very least.
Hehe I knew 05 would come up
My point is winning trophies. You don't get lucky 6 times in the FA Cup, or lucky 13 times in the European Cup or 38 times in the course of a league season.
Not so much referring to one off games.
Course you can get lucky in a cup. Why do you think teams like Porto and Portsmouth occasionally win cups? Portsmouth would have had virtually zero chance of winning the league that year, because a league format irons out a lot of that luck by having more games. And if the league consisted of 100 games, an undeserving side would win the league even less often than they do now (as with Blackburn in 95 and us in 03).
You can get lucky in the League too, if it's a close call between two sides. Though it doesn't mean you didn't deserve it, just that it's possible for more than one side to be potential worthy champions.
Most recent example being all of last season ago.
Most recent example being all of last season ago.
So portsmotuh got lucky 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th Rounds semi and a final?
They beat what was put in front of them that year in the cup.
Porto the same. They beat Manchester United over two legs on the way...coming from a goal down at their place.
Fair fecks to them.
Well...luck plays huge a part in the draw.
Did we have chances to put that game out of sight? Yes
Did we miss them? Yes
Did we then go out because of bad luck? No
We went out because we blew two commanding positions by individual mistakes and not making the most of our chances.
Refereeing decisions have a huge impact on games, but not as bigger impact as the players that play in them.
All I'm saying is to call a cup win lucky is a bit off key. A game...yes...a goal yes. But an entire run?
Just my opinion mind.
Aye, as much as pulling black balls out of a bag at random can be...
er..or something.
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Aside from us having a perfectly good goal disallowed, they were losing until about a minute to go, when Tim Howard unaccountably spazzed a fairly simple free-kick. If he hadn't, and we'd won, would that suddenly, magically mean we deserved to win after all, over the whole course of the game?
Of course not every time a weaker team wins a cup competition it's just down to luck. But there clearly is more room for luck to affect things than there is in a league, simply by virtue of there being less games.
Imagine the FA Cup had one less round than it does now. Then one less than that. At what point before it gets to a single one-off game does luck become a factor? It obviously isn't at any point, it's a continuum, with luck being at its most significant in a single one-off game, and its least (though still significant) in a league.
We had plenty of time and chances to put both games to bed. We didn't. That's the way I look at it really.
Who is to say that if the Scholes goal had been allowed to go 2-0 up Porto wouldn't have still scored and taken the game to extra time?
Who is to say if had the pen given against Pompey...they wouldn't have equalised with us down to ten...
All ifs and buts. I recognise what you say mind, just looking at it slightly differently really.
I did say earlier every team needs a bit of luck to win a trophy...but to call the whole thing a fluke I don't agree with is all.
Of course pompey rode their luck in that game as Harry said. Doesn't make their entire cup win lucky is sort of where I'm at. Same with Porto.
They were extravagantly lucky in that game, they didn't deserve to go through.
My point though is not that the entire cup run is chalked up to luck, and no credit given to the side that benefited from it. There will be all sorts of good things they do along the way that aren't jammy.
My point is that your 'bit of luck here and there' can be enough to significantly sway the final result in a cup competition. In a league, it sways it less. And accruing results over a century, a lot more luck will be ironed out than a single league season manages. That's not even debatable, it's a mathematical facht.
My point though is not that the entire cup run is chalked up to luck, and no credit given to the side that benefited from it. There will be all sorts of good things they do along the way that aren't jammy.
My point is that your 'bit of luck here and there' can be enough to significantly sway the final result in a cup competition. In a league, it sways it less. And accruing results over a century, a lot more luck will be ironed out than a single league season manages. That's not even debatable, it's a mathematical facht.
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