RAWK goes into Meltdown 2010/2011

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Plechazunga said:
They were extravagantly lucky in that game, they didn't deserve to go through.

My point though is not that the entire cup run is chalked up to luck, and no credit given to the side that benefited from it. There will be all sorts of good things they do along the way that aren't jammy.

My point is that your 'bit of luck here and there' can be enough to significantly sway the final result in a cup competition. In a league, it sways it less. And accruing results over a century, a lot more luck will be ironed out than a single league season manages. That's not even debatable, it's a mathematical facht.
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I agree, they didn't deserve to go through. Fair point. They then reaped the rewards after the fact. So fair play.

Fair enough I can't disagree with most of what you have said.
 
And Plech is left alone in the thread, with that hollow post-internet victory feeling, where you know you have prevailed mainly because you bored everyone else to death.

A feeling Liverpool used to know well, before they started losing the whole time... while still being really boring.

*shuffles off*
 
londonredmaniac said:
Did we have chances to put that game out of sight? Yes

Did we miss them? Yes

Did we then go out because of bad luck? No

We went out because we blew two commanding positions by individual mistakes and not making the most of our chances.

Refereeing decisions have a huge impact on games, but not as bigger impact as the players that play in them.

All I'm saying is to call a cup win lucky is a bit off key. A game...yes...a goal yes. But an entire run?

Just my opinion mind.
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How many games are draws or decided by 1 goal either way? In that sense a refereeing decision of that kind is immense. We didn't miss all our chances to win the game, the one we took was disallowed in one of the worst decisions I've ever seen. We lost because of that one legitimate goal not being allowed so the refereeing decision had a direct impact on the result, if we'd have lost by 2 goals I'd have said less, although goals (and their timing) change games so we have no idea how the game would have played out had that goal been allowed.
 
p_ps_sock said:
How many games are draws or decided by 1 goal either way? In that sense a refereeing decision of that kind is immense. We didn't miss all our chances to win the game, the one we took was disallowed in one of the worst decisions I've ever seen. We lost because of that one legitimate goal not being allowed so the refereeing decision had a direct impact on the result, if we'd have lost by 2 goals I'd have said less, although goals (and their timing) change games so we have no idea how the game would have played out had that goal been allowed.
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This is slightly where I disagree. Poor refereeing decisions happen. It's one of those things. We were clearly the better side and should have had enough about us to get over that.

Again, in my opinion.
 
Plechazunga said:
And Plech is left alone in the thread, with that hollow post-internet victory feeling, where you know you have prevailed mainly because you bored everyone else to death.

A feeling Liverpool used to know well, before they started losing the whole time... while still being really boring.

*shuffles off*
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:lol:
 
Weren't they nearer to relegation points wise? Can hardly call themselves Champions of anything really - cup winners is more appropriate
 
Plechazunga said:
They were extravagantly lucky in that game, they didn't deserve to go through.

My point though is not that the entire cup run is chalked up to luck, and no credit given to the side that benefited from it. There will be all sorts of good things they do along the way that aren't jammy.

My point is that your 'bit of luck here and there' can be enough to significantly sway the final result in a cup competition. In a league, it sways it less. And accruing results over a century, a lot more luck will be ironed out than a single league season manages. That's not even debatable, it's a mathematical facht.
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from a mathematical point of view, any further achievements are dependant on that luck so the entire run after that point can be chalked down to luck, doesn't mean they didn't play well or that they weren't the most deserving team in the end but without that luck it would never have happened.
 
Really can't call Istanbul luck.

For all his failings I think Rafa is great at playing the underdog in a knockout competition. This is why I wouldn't completely write of Inter in the UCL should he stay. I thought he set up Liverpool really well in all the knockout ties in 2005 and 2007. They beat some good teams.

While the final in Istanbul itself had an element of fortune the ties previously had no such thing.
 
Crustanoid said:
Weren't they nearer to relegation points wise? Can hardly call themselves Champions of anything really - cup winners is more appropriate
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To be fair, United were well off the pace that season also, coming 3rd. However, that said, Mr Benitez's Kings of Europe still ended up with 19 points less than we did.
 
For the last few days, people have been going on about Rafa this and Roy that, well I had a thought last night, was Rafa the second coming of Shankly?
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:rolleyes:

Lets see, one left behind a structure that would bring success for the next 20 years. The other left behind a mediocre squad that finished 7th. That would be a no then. :rolleyes:

Can't believe they compare the fat feck to legends like Shankly and Paisley.
 
WeasteDevil said:
Go and look at the group stage, then come back.
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What about the group stage? They scored a few last minute goals? We've done that a billion times. I wouldn't say its luck. Plus I did say Rafa was good at setting up underdog teams in a knockout format.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
:rolleyes:

Lets see, one left behind a structure that would bring success for the next 20 years. The other left behind a mediocre squad that finished 7th. That would be a no then. :rolleyes:

Can't believe they compare the fat feck to legends like Shankly and Paisley.
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Jesus H Christ...the second coming of Shankley???????
 
Crustanoid said:
Weren't they nearer to relegation points wise? Can hardly call themselves Champions of anything really - cup winners is more appropriate
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I'm not giving an opinion as such here, I'm simply pointing out facts and showing that team for what it really was. They ended up 5th on 58 points, the same as Bolton who were 6th, Liverpool beating them to 5th on goal difference, and then the infamous shit stink this all caused with them bleating to UEFA that they should be able to defend their title and thus having the fracas of 5 English teams in the competition the following year.

Under no circumstances should a top flight manager that takes his team to 58 points be singled out as a saviour of anything, or high quality in anything. That's a seriously poor return. Benitez's record in the Prem in terms of points is:

58
82
68
76
86
63

He basically ended up back where he started. He and only he changed that team over those years, and the money he spent he spent. Moaning that it wasn't enough is ridiculous, as it seems it was enough the season before last when they came 2nd. He did this, nobody else.

It's a total of 433 points over 6 seasons, or rather 72 points per season. Over the same time period:

SAF: 511 / 85
Wenger: 448 / 77

Wenger has spent feck all in comparison to what Benitez has spent. So it's not an excuse.
 
Rafa only went to Inter for the FIFA Club Championship (unfinished business from 2005). He won it now, he's fecked them off and he wants to come home. Simple.
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:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Nothing at all to do with him totally fecking up a job any half decent manager would have succeed in and getting told in no uncertain terms to feck off out of the club coz hes to shit to manage them by the president then?

I love these guys!
 
Its getting ridiculous. He's fallen out with every single owner he's worked for.

I'd love Rafa to go back there, fall out with Comolli, fall out with the new owners, start a revolt against the new owners on RAWK, get sacked, come back and the cycle repeats.
 
I can not see it happening, but my God if it does, then this season could be Istanbul part 2.
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It can't be, and I'll explain why:

YOU AREN'T IN THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE THIS SEASON.
 
Old Cold said:
Could you imagine Mr Alex Ferguson's face when Rafa walked through the door ?

Shudders would be sent around europe.

Everyone knows how close he was to dominating world football with the most awful owners, what he could do with decent ones ?

The sky is the limit.
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I'm literally lost for words, what exactly was he dominating before he left the Scousers? :confused:
 
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Could you imagine Mr Alex Ferguson's face when Rafa walked through the door ?

Shudders would be sent around europe.

Everyone knows how close he was to dominating world football with the most awful owners, what he could do with decent ones ?

The sky is the limit.
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:lol::eek:
That has to be one of the most deluded posts I've ever read on RAWK, which in itself is a hell of an achievement.
 
B.I.T.C.H

Bring In The cnut Home

And after the success of Bitch a new campaign:

F.U.C.K. I.T

Fat Useless cnut, Keep 'Im There

Poor attempts. I know. :(
 
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