RAWK goes into Meltdown 2010/2011

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WeasteDevil said:
Lets just say that we have never really put much effort into the League Cup. However, for you to abuse the status of the oldest club competition in the world is out of order. If you think that SAF doesn't want to win the FA Cup every year you've got something slightly wrong in your head, and are demeaning the doubles and the treble itself.

It is clearly a harder competition to win, as dominant clubs in terms of league performance have not necessarily always been able to transfer that form to the FA Cup. It's unique though as it's not played over two legs, unless there is a draw. Only some very special teams have been able to combine the two in the same year, and you demean that achievement.

Wanker! :lol:
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WeasteDevil said:
Lets just say that we have never really put much effort into the League Cup. However, for you to abuse the status of the oldest club competition in the world is out of order. If you think that SAF doesn't want to win the FA Cup every year you've got something slightly wrong in your head, and are demeaning the doubles and the treble itself.

It is clearly a harder competition to win, as dominant clubs in terms of league performance have not necessarily always been able to transfer that form to the FA Cup. It's unique though as it's not played over two legs, unless there is a draw. Only some very special teams have been able to combine the two in the same year, and you demean that achievement.

Wanker! :lol:
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Fergie has often rested players in league games so that he can play a full strength team against Huddersfield in the 3rd round of the cup.
 
esmufc11 said:
Weaste your logic is a bit flawed in this one.
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No it's not. All of the great United teams under SAF have done the double, apart from one.

Badunk said:
I would imagine they cared less for the FA Cup than they did for the league, as everyone else who has a good chance of winning the league does.
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If you have a good enough team to win the two, you have a good enough team. Your ramblings devalue this.



This is what you devalue, but both of you were probably in nappies at the time!
 
Badunk said:
Fergie has often rested players in league games so that he can play a full strength team against Huddersfield in the 3rd round of the cup.
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Do your really think that he didn't try to win the FA Cup this year? Do you really think that he let 40k+ supporters spend their money to go to London without wanting to win it? You're a fecking idiot!
 
NJ1979 said:
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You have to remember that the daft twats consider their league cup, FA cup and UEFA cup an equal treble to ours.
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Really? Not one to doubt. But please find me one piece of proof where a Liverpool fan really believes that.

I may be wrong but if there is one he is either lying or retarded. I doubt there is any
 
WeasteDevil said:
It is clearly a harder competition to win, as dominant clubs in terms of league performance have not necessarily always been able to transfer that form to the FA Cup.:
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That doesn't mean it is a harder competition to win. It just means its a harder competition to win if you are striving to win the league at the same time.
 
Steev said:
That doesn't mean it is a harder competition to win. It just means its a harder competition to win if you are striving to win the league at the same time.
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That's bullshit! We seem to have for the last five seasons won the league and got to 3 champions league finals at the same time. Explain how Liverpool won the league in the late 80s yet failed to bag a load of FA Cups - they certainly had no European distractions, as because of them we couldn't play in Europe.
 
going by your logic, Liverpool's "plastic treble" or whatever they call it was a greater achievement than ours in 99.

think you're on your own here mate - when we won cups under Docherty and Atkinson we weren't saying "that'll show the Dippers and their titles - give me the cup any time". It's the reason they're hurting now. Ask any dipper. really don't know where you're coming from with this, the title haas always been no1 and always will be.
 
WeasteDevil said:
That's bullshit! We seem to have for the last five seasons won the league and got to 3 champions league finals at the same time. Explain how Liverpool won the league in the late 80s yet failed to bag a load of FA Cups - they certainly had no European distractions, as because of them we couldn't play in Europe.
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Didn't mention Europe. Just mentioned how teams chasing titles might struggle to win both trophies.
 
Peasplease said:
FA cup is easier to win than the league if you're shit. Otherwise it's harder.
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Spot on. I think that's what Weaste is getting at. Some here seem to read it as: if the FA Cup is harder then the FA Cup winner is better than the league winner.

That's not the point.

It is always the best team winning the league, no question. Therefore, if you are the best team it's relatively easier to win the league than the FA Cup where the odd fluke/bad refereeing call/tough away could knock you out for good.

The FA Cup will randomly draw you against a succession of teams which you have to beat over 90 minutes. In the league you get the chance to make up for a slip up, you don't in the FA Cup. Thus, for a top team, it is harder to win than the league. For others, it is one they could fluke, but they can't fluke the league.
 
2011 FA Cup Final- Manchester City versus Stoke.

If that doesn't tell you which one is more difficult to win, or the bigger achievement, I don't know what will.

Anything can happen in a cup competition, or in a one-off game. Hercules beat Barcelona 2-0 this season yet to describe the difference between the two teams as being vast would be ridiculous and severely understating the gulf in class. A similar case could be put forward with regards to Burnley getting the better of us a couple of seasons back. If that happens in a cup competition, the perrenial underdogs besting the favourite in what amounts to a one out of a hundred result, then you are out; the cup run is over for the season.

You can suffer defeat in the league and recover, yet lose in the cup and that's the end of it. Refereeing decisions can destroy the entire campaign and the rub of the green can be a determinant of success. In the league you have to be better than your opponents consistently, you can't survive two clear cut penalties and win with an offside goal before meeting a midtable team who had an easy route. The cream will rise to the top in the league whereas they may fall to the wayside in the FA cup.

The best team will always win the league but yet the cup can be won by teams like Portsmouth, who finish in a mid table position in the league, or by City, who had no realistic chance of achieving domestic silverware in any other fashion as the league was several bridges too far. Even with our last triumph in the competition we faced Millwall in the final, Millwall!
 
Always harder to win a tournament. You can't have a bad game. You can have several and win the league.
 
Just had an argument with a Liverpool fan , that said we won the PL and played crap.
What are these idiots on , he would not have it any other way , We won it by 9 points I told him and he still argued that we played crap.
Deluded bunch of idiots.
 
why do people on here persist in calling the sour faced twat King Kenny :rolleyes:

an insult to Denis and Eric
 
pauldyson1uk said:
maybe he means me?
But saying King fecking Kenny was just in response to the muppet I had the argument with early today and is in no way a compliment , I hate the cnut.
I agree he is a sour faced twat.
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:D I gathered from the effing middle name you were not his biggest fan

a lot on here do call him that though - I haven't made notes on whom, specifically but perhaps from here on he should be known as "sour faced twat"
 
Denis' cuff said:
the title haas always been no1 and always will be.
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Nobody said any different. What I said is that it's harder to win the FA Cup due to its one leg format. I don't see how that can be confusing. European distractions and prioritising don't really come into it, otherwise Liverpool would have won it more times after they banned all English clubs from competing in Europe. The fact of the matter is that dominant clubs win the league more often than the FA Cup - saying that nobody wants to win it is bullshit.
 
Randall Flagg said:
Really? Not one to doubt. But please find me one piece of proof where a Liverpool fan really believes that.

I may be wrong but if there is one he is either lying or retarded. I doubt there is any
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I spent an extremely pointless and annoying hour arguing about it with a fat lad back home in Wales at the time they won it. Perhaps he was an exception, but as with all things Liverpool I prefer to tar them all with the same brush and assume the worst (which is usually the correct assumption).
 
WeasteDevil said:
Nobody said any different. What I said is that it's harder to win the FA Cup due to its one leg format. I don't see how that can be confusing. European distractions and prioritising don't really come into it, otherwise Liverpool would have won it more times after they banned all English clubs from competing in Europe. The fact of the matter is that dominant clubs win the league more often than the FA Cup - saying that nobody wants to win it is bullshit.[/QUOT

I think its much harder to win the league but I understand what your saying about the one off nature of the cups but I think you are confusing yourself.
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never suggested nobody wants to win it but tbh I didn't read the whole topic from the start

sad to see it's value diminish - I sometimes wonder if the winner was handed a place in the CL, maybe in place of 4th it would soon be back to it's former place in the order of things. A bit silly maybe as it's supposed to be a "champions league" but we've had 5th place teams competing which is equally silly.
 
It is funny how Liverpool fans drone on about Fergie being an alco, red nose, bacon face etc.

Kenny is far more of an alcoholic haggard looking tramp than Fergie, with a shiny red nose to boot.

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Everyone's seen this face on every street corner, with a wooly hat and a bottle of whiskey.

He's your local old skool bum.
 
Can we not resort to calling two grown successful and apparently decent men alcoholics please?

I'll stick to calling their manager Dalglish, nothing else.
 
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