No United fan wants them to win it obviously, but refusing to see the inevitability of the result tomorrow isn't going to change it.
Real Madrid v Liverpool build up
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No United fan wants them to win it obviously, but refusing to see the inevitability of the result tomorrow isn't going to change it.
The UCL final is tomorrow so how is that history? And if City continue their dominance for the foreseeable future we'll be reminiscing together lol
You are right that was a poor statement from me as I do think Liverpool is currently playing very good as a team. All I'm saying is, and I genuinely believe this, if you would take out Salah from your squad this season, I find it very hard to believe you would finish top 4 and be in a CL final, he has been the difference maker this season for you guys, and he is the type of player who could win a game like tommorrow on his own, Firmino and Mane while they are decent, are absolutely nowhere near Salah.
This final will be an even game, everyone seems to think either side is going to win comfortably but I can guarantee that will not be the case, tommorrow's game will all be about which manager goes out with the best tactical plan, and which teams good players decide to show up, I def give Liverpool a chance in this game, but the way some guys on here think Liverpool is gonna crush Madrid baffles me. Its the 2 time consecutive champs we are talking about, with some of the greatest players the football world has ever seen.
Refusing to see the inevitability? Dude , you are comparing a team that haven't beat us in their last 10 games vs Real Madrid , who has won the last 2 Champions leagues and eliminating the main ones in the competence. It normal for a human being to support the weak side , but almost saying that they are the best team in the world is just madness.
4-1 then
Definitely not supporting Liverpool (sure that’s not what you were saying there, I just want that made absolutely clear
) but I genuinely think they’ll be too much for this Real side. Real did squeeze past Bayern and Juve to get to the final, and totally outclassed PSG, but I’m not sure they are equipped to beat a Klopp side. Ronaldo’s form in the last few Champions League games isn’t helping reassure me either.I desperately hope I am wrong, but as we’ve seen since Sir Alex retired, bad things happen in football - save the occasional slip of course
That's brilliant. Love the way they always catch the right facial expressions.
I think Real will win, but it will be a close game. If Marcelo tries to mess around with a high line, things might turn interesting.
Lets compare the players in response to some posters believing that pool are favourites just to talk some sense into them, and to have a good debate afterwards. Matching them would be easy as they both play the exact same 4-3-3 formation for the most part.
Navas > karius
Carvajal > arnold
Varane > van dijk
Ramos >>>>>>>>>>>> lovren
Marcelo > robertson
Casemiro > can
Modric > milner
Kroos >>>>>>>>>> wijnaldum
Bale < salah
Benzema < firmino
Ronaldo >>>>>>>>> mane
Deciding on favourites for a match can only be done on paper, and on paper, Real are the clear favourites, even taking into account the two teams attacking strengths (Ronaldo vs lovren remember, not just pool have brilliant attackers) and defensive vulnerabilities, which thankfully pool have more of. Real’s world class back line on paper better turn up for this one.
For once, unless they come up against a rival of United again later on in time, Hala Madrid!
Navas > karius
Carvajal > arnold
Varane > van dijk
Ramos >>>>>>>>>>>> lovren
Marcelo > robertson
Casemiro > can
Modric > milner
Kroos >>>>>>>>>> wijnaldum
Bale < salah
Benzema < firmino
Ronaldo >>>>>>>>> mane
Deciding on favourites for a match can only be done on paper, and on paper, Real are the clear favourites, even taking into account the two teams attacking strengths (Ronaldo vs lovren remember, not just pool have brilliant attackers) and defensive vulnerabilities, which thankfully pool have more of. Real’s world class back line on paper better turn up for this one.
For once, unless they come up against a rival of United again later on in time, Hala Madrid!
Madrid will play exactly like Liverpool want them to, Liverpool will have counters and Salah will be able to exploit the space Marcelo will leave behind. Both teams should have loads of chances and this should be one of the most entertaining CL finals ever. It's just a matter of who will take their chances. Given this Madrid team knows how to suffer and how to be clinical I expect them to pull through but the way these teams match up is definitely favourable to Liverpool.
You only have to look at the way Madrid failed to handle Tottenham's intensity back in the group stages.
You only have to look at the way Madrid failed to handle Tottenham's intensity back in the group stages.
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I can only assume that all these posts thinking LFC will win easily are some kind of jinx attempts. Football fans and their superstitions... (or is it just poor attempts at humor)
Real are favorites for a reason!
Real are favorites for a reason!
There was me thinking it’s a team game played on grass - when all along it’s individual vs individual on paper. Thanks - is it A4 or notepad?
While what you say about Madrid's style is completely true I think there is something that is easily forgotten about Liverpool's style that suits Real. Madrid have a set of players: mainly Kroos, Modric, Isco, Benzema, who are especially good at surpassing an aggresive pressing and create immediate danger.
Kroos has his signature move, (there is a video about it in youtube that I will be able to post when I get one more like
)Modric and Isco have a very wide collection of technical elements to eliminate pressing just by dribbling and running.
Benzema with his movement between the lines and excellent link up play.
While what you say about Madrid's style is completely true I think there is something that is easily forgotten about Liverpool's style that suits Real. Madrid have a set of players: mainly Kroos, Modric, Isco, Benzema, who are especially good at surpassing an aggresive pressing and create immediate danger.
Kroos has his signature move, (there is a video about it in youtube that I will be able to post when I get one more like
Modric and Isco have a very wide collection of technical elements to eliminate pressing just by dribbling and running.
Benzema with his movement between the lines and excellent link up play.
I'd like to know more about this fantastic press evasion. Certainly haven't witnessed it yet against Bayern and specially Spurs. Maybe it is because Real are keeping it secret until the final?
It's a team game but individual qualities matter. Replace Salah and Firmino with Solanke and Ings and you look like a midtable team. Replace Ronaldo and Bale with Asensio and Isco and Real still look formidable.
Wait some actually think Liverpool are a better team than Madrid?
Madrid finished higher in the league (with 1 more point) and had a far tougher route to the final. The only top team Liverpool faced was City. Madrid faced PSG, Juventus and Bayern.
So not only are Madrid superior by the results, but the individual quality is massively in favour of Madrid as well. Then you have experience at this level which is a landslide victory for Madrid.
Only Liverpool fans can fancy themselves as favourites against a team looking to win 3 Champions leagues in a row and their 4th one in 5 years.
Madrid finished higher in the league (with 1 more point) and had a far tougher route to the final. The only top team Liverpool faced was City. Madrid faced PSG, Juventus and Bayern.
So not only are Madrid superior by the results, but the individual quality is massively in favour of Madrid as well. Then you have experience at this level which is a landslide victory for Madrid.
Only Liverpool fans can fancy themselves as favourites against a team looking to win 3 Champions leagues in a row and their 4th one in 5 years.
I can't wait for this game.
I really think Liverpool will win though, unfortunately.
I really think Liverpool will win though, unfortunately.
If Chelsea beat Bayern on their home ground in a CL final, we can't rule out anything.
The team is made up of the individual players coming together. And Real have the better individual players who are way more experienced on the biggest stage too.
And fyi, I prefer the notepad. Do most of my work in that stuff.
Who said anything about ruling things out?
Madrid are the better team and favourites, that doesn't mean Liverpool can't win.
How many LFC fans have you seen calling us favourites ? The best mood I can say is we are 'optimistic'. Real are favourites and rightly so.
How come secret?
Out of CL finals, I recommend you the second half vs Juventus in 2017 and the first half vs Atletico in 2016. Isco and Kroos being especially brilliant vs Juve and Modric in pretty much every Atletico game.
Choosing the negative example to prove that something cannot be done doesn't make sense. This team hasn't won 3 out of 4 CLs with Nicky Butt and Gattuso in midfield, you know, and many of the players who were off form or unavailable in some of those games are back to their best now.
Was just looking at the stats between both teams: Liverpool have lost one game (meaningless second leg to Roma). Real lost two, both in group stage to (high pressing) Spurs.
Liverpool scored 40 goals in 189 shots (3.33 per game)
Liverpool have conceded 1.1 goal per game
Real scored 30 goals in 208 shots (2.5 per game)
Real have conceded 1.2 goal per game. More than Liverpool?
That's a lot of shots by Real. I expected us to have had more. But only 30 goals? Shows that Real create a LOT of chances. Also shows Firmino, Mane and Salah love scoring whether it's Porto or Man City.
Liverpool scored 40 goals in 189 shots (3.33 per game)
Liverpool have conceded 1.1 goal per game
Real scored 30 goals in 208 shots (2.5 per game)
Real have conceded 1.2 goal per game. More than Liverpool?
That's a lot of shots by Real. I expected us to have had more. But only 30 goals? Shows that Real create a LOT of chances. Also shows Firmino, Mane and Salah love scoring whether it's Porto or Man City.
What is the point of even looking at what they did against Spurs? Real sleep walked the first half of the season and if you think they'd be anything like that tomorrow, you're in for a big big shock.Was just looking at the stats between both teams: Liverpool have lost one game (meaningless second leg to Roma). Real lost two, both in group stage to (high pressing) Spurs.
Liverpool scored 40 goals in 189 shots (3.33 per game)
Liverpool have conceded 1.1 goal per game
Real scored 30 goals in 208 shots (2.5 per game)
Real have conceded 1.2 goal per game. More than Liverpool?
That's a lot of shots by Real. I expected us to have had more. But only 30 goals? Shows that Real create a LOT of chances. Also shows Firmino, Mane and Salah love scoring whether it's Porto or Man City.
And we played Moreno, Mig and no VvD for the first half of the season. I don't give a feck what Real did before Xmas. They lost to Spurs that's all you need to know.
They specifically ignored the 10 goals against Maribor just to push a narrative.
Liverpool have had a piss easy path to the CL final compared to Madrid.
Madrid started in the group of death and then knocked out 3 of the league winners from the top 5 leagues.
Did anyone try to evaluate your chances based on one-off games in the first half of the season?
You are either going on about the first half of the season (when they lost to Spurs), or the fact they lost to Spurs is to be "not given a feck about".
Usually I would be pissed to miss a CL final for being stuck at a wedding but this time I don't care one bit.
I honestly don't care what the Liverpool fans are telling themselves.
I have little doubt that Real will prevail unless something catastrophic happens.
Its a different game for Liverpool without the Anfield factor. Real Madrid just need to be smart.
Porto had conceded something like zero goals at home. It's also apparently a notorious ground for English teams (I think Lampard was saying this). We went there and scored 5 goals. Should have been more.
Roma kept out Messi and Suarez, but we scored there. We lost that game but the tie was effectively over so we were subbing off our best players.
Kiev 'should' be blasting out Allez, Allez, Allez all of tomorrow night so not sure how much of an away game it will feel like. Remember Istanbul? How can you forget.
If Real Madrid win, I'll unblock them from twitter for a month
Comparisons like this makes no sense to me. While comparing each player in their position against each other would probably look like what you have stated above, in reality only the midfield three will face up to each other. The comparison should be is Ronaldo a better striker than Van Dijk is a defender or is Salah a better winger/attacker than Marcelo is a LB. I'm not necessarily saying the comparisons would add up any differently but Ramos will not be facing up against Lovren (apart from maybe set pieces) same as Firmino will not be up against Benzema.
That one time when I was in London watching England vs Scotland WC qualifier. I made this grave mistake of wearing an England shirt. I got pushed around, bottles thrown at, cussed by a bunch of fatties in skirts. People need to chill the f out.
Sorry mate, are you lost? This is the Champions league final thread.
Hahahaha guaranteed Pool win?! Against this Real Madrid team??
Salah, Mane and Firmino will retire Ramos and Marcelo? Who are Salah Mane and Firmino? What have they won?
Oh I know! They are the guys that made Liverpool win the 4th place in the EPL! Poor Ramos and Marcelo, for sure they are very afraid...
Why would Madrid worry of shutting down Salah more than Liverpool shutting down Cristiano?
Remember, Madrid is NOT City...
Of course. Inevitable that Madrid wins by at least 2/3 goals... hahaha
Totally different Madrid side, that was 8 months ago.
Was just looking at the stats between both teams: Liverpool have lost one game (meaningless second leg to Roma). Real lost two, both in group stage to (high pressing) Spurs.
Liverpool scored 40 goals in 189 shots (3.33 per game)
Liverpool have conceded 1.1 goal per game
Real scored 30 goals in 208 shots (2.5 per game)
Real have conceded 1.2 goal per game. More than Liverpool?
That's a lot of shots by Real. I expected us to have had more. But only 30 goals? Shows that Real create a LOT of chances. Also shows Firmino, Mane and Salah love scoring whether it's Porto or Man City.
All that stats go to trash when you see who played Madrid and who played Liverpool.
While Liverpool played Europa League teams except City, Madrid had the most difficult path possible.
And no one gives a feck about what you think. That was 8 months ago and both teams were completely different.
You should know that football is about moments. If not, Liverpool wouldn't stand a chance. This Madrid side is the same side that has won the last 2 UCL.
So please, stop the bulls... haha
Except you're not playing any different. Same thing happened against Bayern.
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