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Still ill said:
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/so...is-in-irish-football-s-dna-1.3684515?mode=amp

Nice article with Stephen Kenny showing why some people think he IS a viable alternative to pur current regime.
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Kenny is the logical alternative and I'd get behind him 100%. The question is would the FAI or indeed the media, they have form on turning on their own very quickly when the going gets tough.
I think we should stick with O'Neill until after the Euros and then give it to Kenny. But give it to Kenny as a long-term build. Talk of McCarthy coming back is simply not on.
 
limerickcitykid said:
Wait wtf is Glenn Whelan doing back. Thought I never had to suffer his horseshit again. Too bad his replacements are equally trash for the most part.
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You can suffer him for one more game. I hope the crowd are a bit more generous than you on his final bow. He wasn't much to look at but he was a decent guy who shouldered far more than his fair share of the blame for the shite we've had to endure over the last 10 years or so. We may look back on the luxury of having a central midfielder who was a fixture in the Premier League with misty eyes in the not too distant future. Still pretty much impossible to find a manager he played for or a player he played with that doesn't rate him.
 
Still ill said:
You can suffer him for one more game. I hope the crowd are a bit more generous than you on his final bow. He wasn't much to look at but he was a decent guy who shouldered far more than his fair share of the blame for the shite we've had to endure over the last 10 years or so. We may look back on the luxury of having a central midfielder who was a fixture in the Premier League with misty eyes in the not too distant future. Still pretty much impossible to find a manager he played for or a player he played with that doesn't rate him.
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They certainly don't rate his passing because he never be attempted any. He's the definition of the dogshite football we've played for years. He's fecking trash only worsened by garbage like Keith Andrews.

We'll look back on the luxury of trash players because our setup is now an entire tip. The lot of them are a joke.
 
Awful performance so far. What's the point of O'Dowda, can he actually play?
 
limerickcitykid said:
They certainly don't rate his passing because he never be attempted any. He's the definition of the dogshite football we've played for years. He's fecking trash only worsened by garbage like Keith Andrews.

We'll look back on the luxury of trash players because our setup is now an entire tip. The lot of them are a joke.
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There's plenty to be angry about in our international set-up and Glenn is not everybody's cup of tea but I think that attitude stinks. If we can't appreciate limited players turning up and giving 100% every time, what can we appreciate? His entire international career was spent under Trap and O'Neill. What instructions do you think he was being given? He's just a regular, down-to-earth bloke, who'd be on the terraces if he wasn't on the pitch. He's one of us. No way he deserves that sort of vitriol. Pulis said that every year, every year, Stoke tried to sign an upgrade on Whelan and every year, he forced the new guy back into the reserves. He's a limited player who made the most of what he's got, loved playing for his country and had to spend his whole international career listening to the shite that you've just come out with from half the country. As has his family. He doesn't deserve it.
 
Still ill said:
There's plenty to be angry about in our international set-up and Glenn is not everybody's cup of tea but I think that attitude stinks. If we can't appreciate limited players turning up and giving 100% every time, what can we appreciate? His entire international career was spent under Trap and O'Neill. What instructions do you think he was being given? He's just a regular, down-to-earth bloke, who'd be on the terraces if he wasn't on the pitch. He's one of us. No way he deserves that sort of vitriol. Pulis said that every year, every year, Stoke tried to sign an upgrade on Whelan and every year, he forced the new guy back into the reserves. He's a limited player who made the most of what he's got, loved playing for his country and had to spend his whole international career listening to the shite that you've just come out with from half the country. As has his family. He doesn't deserve it.
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Maybe he's a great lad but I think people are entitled to discuss whether a player is good or not on a football forum.

Part of our lack of progression has to be our reliance on limited players. Look how long it took Wes to get some games. We need a change of approach. Nobody wants to watch this.
 
SteveW said:
Maybe he's a great lad but I think people are entitled to discuss whether a player is good or not on a football forum.

Part of our lack of progression has to be our reliance on limited players. Look how long it took Wes to get some games. We need a change of approach. Nobody wants to watch this.
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Of course people should discuss the relative merits of players. I'd have had Wes in ahead of him myself, no doubt about it. But this has been pretty much flagged as the guy's last appearance for his country. I think he deserves a bit more respect.
 
Are for feck sake he could have least have thrown of Obafemi there so we could get a look at him. O'Neill hasn't an ounce of craic in him.
 
Dour manager after dour manager. That's the life of a United and Ireland supporter.
 
All the shite talk about Obafemi, and he doesn’t even get a runout at home in a dead rubber game :lol:
 
Mr Anderson said:
All the shite talk about Obafemi, and he doesn’t even get a runout at home in a dead rubber game :lol:
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He was about the only thing in the game you wanted to see so yeah off course O Neill never bought him on .

Sums O Neill up since he became the manager
 
lsd said:
He was about the only thing in the game you wanted to see so yeah off course O Neill never bought him on .

Sums O Neill up since he became the manager
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He’s a dinosaur who his bumbling along with less of a plan than David Moyes
 
Mr Anderson said:
All the shite talk about Obafemi, and he doesn’t even get a runout at home in a dead rubber game :lol:
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lsd said:
He was about the only thing in the game you wanted to see so yeah off course O Neill never bought him on .

Sums O Neill up since he became the manager
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That's O'Neill for you. It's no wonder we're barely half filling the Aviva these days.
 
Myself and my young lad have season tickets for the Aviva.

Irelands performances have nose dived since the trashing by Denmark.

I admit their performances were far from steller before that Danish game but it's like a psychological barrier was crossed and O Neills belief in the team has evaporated.

At present it's tough watch the games.

Dundalks manager Kenny is the man for the job.

Another problem is O Brien meddling in Irish football as a vanity project.
 
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No goals in this Irish team I'm afraid. Last game you had Shane Long starting as lone forward and he scores about 1 goal a season for Southampton.

Calum Robinson having a good season at Preston but he's better as a wide forward than through the middle, same for Aidan O'Brien.
 
It's rough at the moment alright. We don't even have a cause anymore. At least in the recent past we could kid ourselves that we were shite because Wes wasn't getting a run. Now, we've no real contentious selection issues because our options are so sparse. The most depressing vista in my 40 years supporting Ireland.
 
I remember arguing with some Irish folk on here a few years ago who were hyping up O’Neil. I think it was @Sandikan claiming he is amazing and how he’s succeeded everywhere where he’s gone besides Sunderland. How he is the bestest and all that bollocks.

His teams plays dog shit football that Moyes would be proud of. He’s reluctant to push youth. I’m sure some idiot will say oh but he doesn’t even have any good players. The last few international tournaments have shown you don’t need a bunch of good players to get results. Managers working with far less little than O’Neil are doing better than him.
 
Bojan11 said:
I remember arguing with some Irish folk on here a few years ago who were hyping up O’Neil. I think it was @Sandikan claiming he is amazing and how he’s succeeded everywhere where he’s gone besides Sunderland. How he is the bestest and all that bollocks.

His teams plays dog shit football that Moyes would be proud of. He’s reluctant to push youth. I’m sure some idiot will say oh but he doesn’t even have any good players. The last few international tournaments have shown you don’t need a bunch of good players to get results. Managers working with far less little than O’Neil are doing better than him.
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Opinion.

And have i suddenly become irish?
Which international managers have done better with a worse crock of players than he has out of interest?
What's his promotion and cup win totals versus moyes out of interest?
 
Sandikan said:
Opinion.

And have i suddenly become irish?
Which international managers have done better with a worse crock of players than he has out of interest?
What's his promotion and cup win totals versus Moyes out of interest?
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Michael o Neill has worse players and his team played the Republic off the park
 
Sandikan said:
I probably wouldn't go off a 0-0 friendly to be honest.
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I'm going off their last couple of years to be honest.

Northern Ireland do not have better players than the Republic yet they play far better football .

That's why I can never accept the argument that Martin O Neill doesn't have the players .

It's doesn't matter what players he has he is incapable of having his teams pass the ball and play decent football
 
lsd said:
I'm going off their last couple of years to be honest.

Northern Ireland do not have better players than the Republic yet they play far better football .

That's why I can never accept the argument that Martin O Neill doesn't have the players .

It's doesn't matter what players he has he is incapable of having his teams pass the ball and play decent football
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Agree with this.
 
I don’t have anything against it in principle but the way some people in the media are pushing Stephen Kenny and making out like its a binary choice of him or O’Neill is odd. We pay more than almost anyone else in Europe. It would be remiss not to think outside of the usual box of getting a past it manager and paying them more than they’ll get elsewhere. When we eventually make the call to make a change - at the end of this qualifying campaign, I’d guess - we have to get the next appointment right, as the next manager is going to be working with probably the poorest Ireland squad since the mid-80s.
 
Brophs said:
I don’t have anything against it in principle but the way some people in the media are pushing Stephen Kenny and making out like its a binary choice of him or O’Neill is odd. We pay more than almost anyone else in Europe. It would be remiss not to think outside of the usual box of getting a past it manager and paying them more than they’ll get elsewhere. When we eventually make the call to make a change - at the end of this qualifying campaign, I’d guess - we have to get the next appointment right, as the next manager is going to be working with probably the poorest Ireland squad since the mid-80s.
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Well that's nearly the point isn't it, Brophs? The last thing we want is another manager in used to dealing with better players throwing his hands up in the air saying what did you expect me to do with this shower? Why not give Kenny a run while we're at rock bottom, where are expectations are zero? He's got mediocre players playing good football against better opposition. Why not? It's a low-priced punt that would give the domestic game a boost too. What have we got to lose?
 
He's said that 'perhaps there could be a bit of experimentation on Monday night '. Who would people like to see him trying out? Jimmy Dunne looks like he might get a run. Too early I'm sure for Lee O'Connor but nice to see that he's on the plane because of the impression he made in training over the course of the week.
 
lsd said:
I'm going off their last couple of years to be honest.

Northern Ireland do not have better players than the Republic yet they play far better football .

That's why I can never accept the argument that Martin O Neill doesn't have the players .

It's doesn't matter what players he has he is incapable of having his teams pass the ball and play decent football
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It's just his style. I agree he's similar to Moyes in being safety first, organised and likes to get the ball forward quickly (not just hit and hope long ball but direct play to the forwards).

When he was our manager we generally play the same style 4-4-2 and got the ball forward up to Gabby, Carew and Ashley Young to create havoc. Worked well against many of the league but when it was required to control the game that wasn't a strength of his teams. We were also very good off set plays in that time.

Now before all the "oh but he got you to 6th in premier league posts" yes but that's viewing through prism of 2018. In 2007 Man. City were still a year from being taken over and Spurs were pretty inconsistant so there was more chance to break into top 4 in those times. We also did have some very good players when you think Gareth Barry, Milner and Ashley Young were all in our midfield in 2008.

He's just the sort that blindly sticks to his way of playing and even when he gets money to spend just signs similar (but more expensive) players. Likes of Moyes, Bruce and Pulis are all similar. Lack of imaginiation or desire to play a different way.

Generally at international level you can go a fair way if you're organised and good at set pieces. That was ROI under Trap and in first 3 years under MON after all. Now though their squad is the weakest in quality I've ever known it to be.
 
How many actual premier league regulars have they got anymore? Shane Long,Seamus Coleman, Clark....
 
FootballHQ said:
How many actual premier league regulars have they got anymore? Shane Long,Seamus Coleman, Clark....
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PL Appearances this season. Rice probably shouldn't be included but cant be arsed editing. Brady is just back from injury.
1. Matt Doherty Wolverhampton Wanderers
Ireland
12
1. Shane Duffy Brighton and Hove Albion
Ireland
12
3. Harry Arter Cardiff City
Ireland
9
3. Jeff Hendrick Burnley
Ireland
9
3. Shane Long Southampton
Ireland
9
3. Declan Rice West Ham United
Ireland
9
7. Seamus Coleman -
Ireland
8
8. Cyrus Christie Fulham
Ireland
7
8. Ciaran Clark Newcastle United
Ireland
7
10. Robbie Brady Burnley
Ireland
3

10. Greg Cunningham Cardiff City
Ireland
3
10. Stephen Ward Burnley
Ireland
3
13. Kevin Long -
Ireland
2
13. Michael Obafemi Southampton
Ireland
2
 
He's been on his bike for ages.. I'm sure that thread title has remained for almost a year.

Bit like Theresa May. Constantly on the brink but manages to survive, like a cockroach!
 
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Rory 7 said:
Kenny is the logical alternative and I'd get behind him 100%. The question is would the FAI or indeed the media, they have form on turning on their own very quickly when the going gets tough.
I think we should stick with O'Neill until after the Euros and then give it to Kenny. But give it to Kenny as a long-term build. Talk of McCarthy coming back is simply not on.
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Kenny would be a risk. Steve Holland the no.2 to Southgate would be a wonderful choice if we could get him. England are doing great things at underage level and national team level so we should try to pinch one or two from there. Giving Lee Carsley the U21 gig would be a big step in the right direction with Lee having worked underage level with Englabd
 
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