Never ONCE said they couldn't, its just I dont see them as Irish and yes, the cutting the throat, well that goes both ways now doesn't it.
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I can only think of Martin Keown from an interview he did talking about how he was s huge Riverdance fan
Yeah but you’re banging on about Irish born first choice. They are the same they just happen to be born in a different country
Yes I believe if you were born on this island, you should be chosen first and not looked down on or rejected for some English born kid to an Irish parent, who suddenly decides he's Irish because he's just cotton on they don't want him, nor the mere fact you play in any of the four leagues in england should give you an added chance of playing for a country you were not born in.
Look it clear as day we have a complete different view on this, you see them as Irish where as I dont believe no matter, if its a English born footie player or some nation raping nazi loving (he did sign the book of condolences for hitler) yankee born wanker like de valera, they are 100% Irish.
Ok I think we should leave it here, as this is just going to keep going around in circles.
See there you go again. You say kids born elsewhere to Irish parents should be recognized as Irish then you contradict yourself by Basically saying that they aren’t the same level of Irish as Irish born. You have some strange view
I think Irish people should be more sympathetic than most to the intricacies of immigration and second generations given our history.
This is just more nonsense from the person who was claiming Ole was a coward for going 352 before the match last night.
Right!?!
Sadly, the opposite is often true.
If a cat gives birth in an oven does that make them buns instead of kittens?
Take your cat out of the oven, you maniac.
Me and the missus moved over here to London during the Irish and global turndown back in 2008. One child at the time, was only 2, missus was pregnant, so second child was born here in London. She's been more passionate about her Irishness than I would have ever expected, mainly because of the feeling of representing your heritage and family in a much more diverse setup. Her parents are both Irish, her brother is Irish, her grand parents, aunts, uncles, cousins are all Irish, safe to say she can consider herself Irish. I have found living abroad that Irish and if you like '2nd and even 3rd generation' Irish are in general even more passionate with regards to their Irish heritage.
You are probably too young to appreciate what Jack Charlton and his team of passionate Irish men did for the whole country during the late 80's and 90's. I'll judge everyone on how they represent the country. James Connolly?
What a weird turn this thread took, especially at a time when it's literally less of a thing than it has been in a very long time. It's a non-existent problem at the moment.
Any actual team-related stuff to talk about?
Any actual team-related stuff to talk about?
More importantly when we are going back to good old O'Neill's kits? We must getting yet another kit because the current one is reduced to 36 euro on the FAI site. Good times.
It makes them dead!
Ah for flip sake where in that post have I said that ?
"Yes I believe if you were born on this island, you should be chosen first and not looked down on or rejected for some English born kid to an Irish parent, who suddenly decides he's Irish"
"you see them as Irish where as I dont believe no matter, if its a English born footie player or some nation raping nazi loving (he did sign the book of condolences for hitler) yankee born wanker like de valera, they are 100% Irish."
AS you can read, they may see themselves as Irish, to me they are the nationally of their place of birth not where they parents come from, now can't I be any clearer "THEY ARE NOT IRISH IN MY EYES"
I dont see a former prez and taoiseach aas an Irishman why the feck would I see some english lad as one
I genuinely don’t know what to say to someone who thinks like that
Yes, it’s full of non Irish people
Nah won’t be having it if it’s stitched abroad. Irish stitched shirts should come first
How dare you, it’s stitched in Strabane.. United 32!
Ludicrous post - on ignore
Your posts are really bad.
What’s your opinion on players from the North playing for Ireland?
Surely you consider Shane MaGowan as Irish ?
I kind of understand that there are some people who use the system to play for Ureland underage teams but have no interest in playing for Ireland as a full international and that can harm the development of some irish born kids if they are overlooked .
However there are people who may not have been born here but genuinely feel irish and i don't see a problem with it
His point is almost exactly as valid as "I believe people with blonde hair aren't Irish" would be. What he believes is irrelevant because it's both demonstrably incorrect and demonstrably stupid. He's just said there are former Presidents and Taoisigh he doesn't think are Irish ffs.
Best not to engage.
Best not to engage.
What about Jason Sherlock @patty123 is he only half Irish?
Must be talking about Varadkar is he?
He was born here. No this isn't a racist angle apparently. It's purely geographic... Passports be damned.
No but I was thinking that initially.
Dev was a yank, born in New York to an Irish mammy and Spanish father.
The snobbery with which some Irish folks treat the diaspora is really ugly. It's also one of the main reasons that those Irish who came to the UK in the 1950s and 1960s are one or the most isolated and impoverished demographics in Britain today. For a lot of people of that generation the attitude of the likes of @patty123 towards those who emigrated and their kids is the exact reason they never came back or maintained ties with family back home, and one of main reasons a lot of 2nd gen Irish over here found it easier to 'become English' than to retain their heritage. Aside from the human cost, the potential and talent that that mindset has squandered is immeasurable. Ireland is undoubtedly the worse for it, culturally and economically.
If I was an Irish person born in Ireland I'd be chuffed if people who took the difficult decision to leave still felt enough of an affinity to make a positive contribution. The one thing I'd say to the Irish-born Irish who sneer at the diaspora is that they should look back and remember that it very easily could have been their family who had to leave, their family who had to deal with being discriminated against in England and being shunned by folks at home.
If I was an Irish person born in Ireland I'd be chuffed if people who took the difficult decision to leave still felt enough of an affinity to make a positive contribution. The one thing I'd say to the Irish-born Irish who sneer at the diaspora is that they should look back and remember that it very easily could have been their family who had to leave, their family who had to deal with being discriminated against in England and being shunned by folks at home.
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I Think he was referring to Dev earlier
It was yeah. I realised and deleted my post but not quick enough for Deery to have responded to it.
You seem like a right tool.
Tell that to Kilbane as Irish a Irish man as you could wish to meet
To paraphrase Joe Brolly about abuse from people saying he was British because he was from the North: Don't be so hard on the people in the South, they are as Irish as you or me. They just never had to fight for it.
Forget Kilbane, the guy thinks Éamon fecking de Valera isn’t Irish.
You're Irish when it suits the Irish. Noel Gallagher and Liam Gallagher, John Lennon and Paul McCartney, Spike Milligan, Daniel Day Lewis, Morrissey, the Republic of Ireland football team, John F Kennedy, St Patrick.
It's all bollix anyway, because the Celts, the Normans and the Saxons all came from the middle east. We are all genetically linked in our DNA.
There are first generation English people, who could quite easily claim to be more Irish than folk living in Ballsbridge. They've been raised by Irish parents, in an Irish community, attending church with Irish priests, taking part in Irish traditions like dancing and music. They often move back to Ireland when their parents come back in retirement. These folk seem to be to be more Irish than the tennis club snobs in D4 who put on weird American accents.
Patty123 viewing topic “United players born in Manchester should be picked first”
what about legends like O'Leary and Mcgrath, as Irish as they come, raised in Ireland but born in England, do they get a pass
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