That's just one game, it doesn't really show all that much. Plus, most of Rio's forward passes were unsuccessful.
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See, that's the thing. If you're a great "footballer", losing a yard of pace shouldn't have a significant impact on your ability with the ball at feet. Sure, fitness and speed at your prime helps make your touch better (partly because you're better able to recover the ball if you have a crap touch, something you can't hide if your pace is gone), but if you're truly that good with the ball at your feet, you wouldn't be so reliant on being at your prime to be able to still be a great "footballer". See Scholes and Giggs; they've lost the pace, but not the footballing aspect/touch.
Of course you don't necessarily have to be a great footballer in that sense to be a great defender. Different positions require different attributes. Luiz may be great with the ball at his feet, but he's a bit wank at being a good defender.
For me, if a defender is viewed as being 'amazing' with the ball at his feet, or if he is claimed to be a 'fantastic footballer' in addition to being a great defender, then that defender should also have the ability to play in midfield, especially center midfield; they don't need to show they're Scholes/Xavi/Giggs in midfield but if they're that good with the ball at their feet, you shouldn't feel uncomfortable starting them in center mid in most games. Do you think Rio would have been able to play midfield for us consistently if he really was that good with the ball at his feet in his prime? I'm not sure. You have players who're good enough both in the 'footballing' and the defending department to pull it off and play in both positions, but I'm not sure that was the case with Rio, even at his prime.
A loss of confidence can have a impact with the ball at your feet though.
Vidic is definitely under-rated with the ball, always has been. Rio was better though, and probably still is.
Vidic is definitely under-rated with the ball, always has been. Rio was better though, and probably still is.
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It looks like he's okay.
He used to have silks, as he would call it.
Now he doesn't, he looks awkward at the best of times, hoofing like there's no tomorrow.
Now he doesn't, he looks awkward at the best of times, hoofing like there's no tomorrow.
Is that more to do with the midfield than with Rio, though?
He used to have Scholes constantly in space, available for the short pass.
Does the world really need to know this? No one gives a shit Rio....
Does the world really need to know your opinion on Rio Ferdinand's twitter posts?
The world doesnt, I asked the question on a members forum, not on some narcissistic, ego massaging, 'micro blogging' site for my 'followers' to read.
Then maybe he'll get his silks back now.
I hope so, I'm one of his biggest fans.
He really was unplayable in 07-09.
That's saying is only really relevant for attacking players though.
I'd agree with this, Vidic is actually quite a technically proficient player when you watch him for a long time. Not many can pass as well with both feet as he can. Rio though is/was just better on the ball, which makes sense given he could play in DM.
The world can still read it. Did you not want people to read your thoughts on Rio's thoughts? You actually have to follow Rio to get them. If you don't want them then don't. The irony of your complaint appears to be lost on you.
No, I want the people on the board to read my comments.
I'm not even on twitter so I obviously dont have to follow him to read them.
I'm merely pondering why people feel the need to share such mundane information with people they dont know, and are they even really interested in it.
I'm not even on twitter so I obviously dont have to follow him to read them.
I'm merely pondering why people feel the need to share such mundane information with people they dont know, and are they even really interested in it.
You're sharing your mundane opinion with people. What's the difference?
This is a Man Utd discussion forum, I'm a Utd fan, I'm among, mostly likeminded individuals, to discuss matters generally about football and Man Utd, not post random soundbites about how my day is going in the vain belief that anyone cares.
Look, if you love twitter and feel that knowing what they have for breakfast or other random bullshit makes you closer to them as a person, fair enough, I think its a bit of a pointless ego trip.
Look, if you love twitter and feel that knowing what they have for breakfast or other random bullshit makes you closer to them as a person, fair enough, I think its a bit of a pointless ego trip.
I couldn't care less about what Rio tweets one way or the other. You just don't seem to realise the irony of a man who feels the need to tell a forum his thoughts about Rio Ferdinand and then accuse others of pointless ego trips especially when you've posted wasn't a discussion but a pointless soundbite.
Who says I don't realise the irony? My statement being ironic or not has nothing to do with whether what Rio does for breakfast is of any interest to anyone in the world.... and the modern phenomenon of things like twitter and the level of pointless disclosure people engage in on it.
In fact, ironically the more ironic you consider my post to be the stronger the point I'm trying to make.
In fact, ironically the more ironic you consider my post to be the stronger the point I'm trying to make.
The fact that you appeared to look down on Rio for it suggests you saw no irony until it was pointed out to you. Now you're trying to claim it was a commentary on social media in general. You weren't of course but ironically if you had then you wouldn't have been guilty of such irony in the first place.
This thread is in danger of imploding under the weight of it's own (alleged) irony.
Does double irony cancel itself out like a double negative?
Does double irony cancel itself out like a double negative?
Irony... referring to your subjective interpretation of what someone 'appeared' to be doing as 'fact'.
The only thing I know for sure is that I thank the world every day that a means exists by which Rio can let us all know what he had for breakfast.. it helps me relate to him, I love relating to famous people.
To be fair, given the stick they all get, I doubt any footballer is on Twitter to massage their ego.
I don't get why Twitter gets people so riled personally - its simply a news source, has changed the way we get our news quite profoundly, and is here to stay...
Why are you so bitter about it though? Your point doesn't make sense really - United players have put Twitter to better use already than telling us 'what try had for breakfast'.
now I'm bitter..... If they'd stick to putting it to better use than telling us what they had for breakfast that'd be fine. The amount of random bullshit or just plain lies thats posted on twitter dilutes its potential IMO.
I'm sorry for questioning the validity of those posts.
If I'd have known people were going to get all hormonal and defensive about it I wouldn't have bothered.
A news source? Depends on what you classify as 'news', I'd call it more of a source for idol, often totally unsubstantiated, gossip.
And the fact that people choose to use it to try interact with celebrities means that by default its more than just a 'source'.
But hey, whatever satisfies peoples changing needs.....
So, Rio eh, class player.
I don't have much interaction with Twitter outside of the caf, but it usually provides some interesting stuff from what people post on here.
Yes, it is a 'news' source. Some of the world's most respected journalists and writers use it regularly - you don't only have to follow Rio's bowel movements or Joey Barton.
Its perfectly possible to use it daily without being aware of the masses repeating their 'can I get an RT?' mantra. Lots of people do.
and I dont recall saying anything about people who use it in that manner... most of the things I see reposted here from twitter are complete and utter gossip fuelled bullshit or pointless crap.
You were though. No other explanation for it really.
No other explanation?
Oh right thats that thenHow is saying that I dont think anyone cares what he got up to this morning (considering what he got up to was pretty mundane and everyday) looking down on him?
Its was a comment on the pointless nature of some of the shit that people post on twitter, which for me renders it pointless.
Jesus this is tedious.
No other explanation?
How is saying that I dont think anyone cares what he got up to this morning (considering what he got up to was pretty mundane and everyday) looking down on him?
Its was a comment on the pointless nature of some of the shit that people post on twitter, which for me renders it pointless.
Jesus this is tedious.
One minute you accept the irony the next it doesn't exist. You seem to be making this up as you go along.
Most of the stuff yourself and indeed myself post on here is pointless. Doesn't stop us doing it does it?
Indeed you are tedious.
Most of the stuff people post on here relates to football, or to Man Utd, its a man utd forum, for people interested in Man Utd and football, its not just about what people did for breakfast, because, as is the point, no ones interested in that.
You weren't discussing Man Utd or football though. Nobody was interested in your opinion on Rio Ferdinand's twitter habits.
Right mate, whatever, I offered an opinion on a twitter comment from a Utd player, I'm not in the habit of doing it for random people.
And you're calling me tedious.
And you're calling me tedious.
I am. It was a tedious comment.