Great response.
Rooney Contract Haggling / Transfer Requests Revisited
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Great response.
What can I say? This one cannot be saved. Probably has got an invite for Coleen's Xmas party.
He was a City player before he joined us.
Yeah mate but did Juve's manager come out and say ''We're not letting him go'' right after saying ''Paul has asked to leave''. No he obviously didn't but thats what Ferguson did, if he was lining up a sale i dare say publicly stating your star player wants to leave doesn't exactly strengthen your negotiating position. Wouldn't you agree?
How would we have known that no top clubs on the continent wanted him? Between Ferguson going public with Rooney's transfer request, and him signing his new contract only 3 days had passed and it was in october. The window wasn't even open. So there was no real time for interest from the likes of Barca or Real to manifest.
For whats it's worth heres what Pep had to say on the matter at the time.
http://www.goal.com/en-india/news/2...coach-pep-guardiola-admires-manchester-united
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Did any of this actually happen? And by that i mean did any reputable sources report this behaviour?
He, Evans, and one more I believe...not drunk though, hangover, or maybe not even that, but late to training with being at party the night before.
EDIT: Gibbo!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...opped-from-team-after-lethargic-training.html
So, not drunk for sure. Another hurtful myth.
Considering how widely admired Rooney was around Europe, there definitely would have been interest if he were available.
To be fair, he's not the only one. I never really see any debate about why Ronaldo doing what he did was acceptable other than Madrid was his dream which is also a blatant lie.You're not usually lost for words when it comes to Rooney.
For all of one season and another season at the end of his career.
Oh, I know. There's plenty of them. What sickens me is that they've got more love and respect for Schweinsteiger - a player who has done feck all at this club, than Rooney - a player who has been here for 12 years, won everything there is to win, and is nearly our all time top goalscorer. Baffles me.
He, Evans, and one more I believe...not drunk though, hangover, or maybe not even that, but late to training with being at party the night before.
EDIT: Gibbo!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...opped-from-team-after-lethargic-training.html
So, not drunk for sure. Another hurtful myth.
Fair enough cheers, looks like bullshit then.
I know how long he was at City. You clearly didn't know, or had forgotten, he was a City player before he ever came to OT..
|He came to us via Torino. As to "didn't want to go" at the end well few want to. He was in serious decline and he got a free transfer because nobody bid for him when he was listed.
I don't know where you're coming from but maybe you misconstrued why I said those things,
Mate it was in response to those 2 quotes.
My point is that Law can't be compared to Heinze because Law never asked for a transfer.
Tbf to Rooney, Law had actually 'threatened' to leave United if he didn't get a payrise in 1966.
Denis Law said:
Heh, Sir Alex and Sir Matt eh?
I don't like getting involved in the old Rooney contract issues dispute and going about in circles, but it's quite frankly 'ridiculous' and tedious watching @wr8_utd trying to downplay Rooney's behaviour during that contract/transfer issue.
Now I'm not condoning Ronaldo's behaviour but I'm not buying the claim that Rooney didn't act as shockingly or that his contract/transfer issue is comparable with the likes of Rio/Keane etc.
Might as well rehash 2 of my older posts on these issues.
Firstly, those scenarios (including Law's) are completely different in the sense that none of them had the temerity to question the manager, the club and implicitly question the quality of the first team openly in a press conference.
Manchester United captain Nemanja Vidic and defender Patrice Evra have led a number of verbal attacks on Wayne Rooney by his team-mates.
Rooney's decision to release a statement criticising United's lack of ambition, just two hours before Wednesday's Champions League clash with Bursaspor, has been interpreted as an act of betrayal by his team-mates.
Trusted colleagues knew of Rooney's desire to leave United in recent weeks but have attempted to talk him into a U-turn.
The timing of Rooney's statement and claims that his readiness to move is fuelled by a determination to continue 'winning trophies' prompted an angry response within the United dressing room.
Defender Evra led the attack on Rooney by insisting that there is no place at United for players who do not trust their team-mates.
He said: “If one player in the team doesn’t trust the others he should not play in the team. I’m not at that point because I trust everyone and I know we can win.
“I’ve been here for four years and every season, until last year, I have won the league. That hurt because this is Manchester United and we must win trophies.
“That is the pressure of playing here, so if a player is not happy with that pressure he should go. No team is better than us at the moment. Manchester United belong at the top and I’m confident we can do that.”
Evra insists that the Rooney saga will not be allowed to distract the players from kick-starting United’s faltering season. He said: “We need to be professional and we need to perform. I don’t like excuses about what’s going on around the club. Everyone needs to focus on themselves.
“The situation with Wayne Rooney is for the boss, not for the players. We are just focused on winning games and bringing back the winning mentality.
“Everyone talks about Manchester United but nobody has beaten us this season. The problem has been us — we have made some silly mistakes but teams have not been better than us. We have not been playing badly.”
United captain Nemanja Vidic, who signed a new long-term contract two months ago, admitted that all the speculation about Rooney was unsettling the team.
He said: “When rumours are going around talking about the bad performances or something happening around the club and the Glazers, it is not good for the players and not good for the team.”
Rooney’s aspersions that United no longer match his ambition were rejected by midfielder Darren Fletcher, a close friend, who claimed that the club remains at the forefront of the chase for honours.
Fletcher said: “That [lack of ambition] is his opinion, but I believe the players in the dressing room are good enough to take us forward.
“I watch them in training every day and we have got some young, exciting players. When someone leaves, someone always steps up to the mark. This is still the biggest club. What makes big clubs is history. Clubs can have money but this club’s history drives it forward.
“I have experienced big players leaving in the past and we have always managed to respond. When they leave, it is disappointing because they have been team-mates, big players for the club, and achieved massive success for the club.
“But it is the players in that dressing room who are going to be the ones to take Manchester United forward.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...-speaks-out-over-Wayne-Rooneys-behaviour.html
Rooney's decision to release a statement criticising United's lack of ambition, just two hours before Wednesday's Champions League clash with Bursaspor, has been interpreted as an act of betrayal by his team-mates.
Trusted colleagues knew of Rooney's desire to leave United in recent weeks but have attempted to talk him into a U-turn.
The timing of Rooney's statement and claims that his readiness to move is fuelled by a determination to continue 'winning trophies' prompted an angry response within the United dressing room.
Defender Evra led the attack on Rooney by insisting that there is no place at United for players who do not trust their team-mates.
He said: “If one player in the team doesn’t trust the others he should not play in the team. I’m not at that point because I trust everyone and I know we can win.
“I’ve been here for four years and every season, until last year, I have won the league. That hurt because this is Manchester United and we must win trophies.
“That is the pressure of playing here, so if a player is not happy with that pressure he should go. No team is better than us at the moment. Manchester United belong at the top and I’m confident we can do that.”
Evra insists that the Rooney saga will not be allowed to distract the players from kick-starting United’s faltering season. He said: “We need to be professional and we need to perform. I don’t like excuses about what’s going on around the club. Everyone needs to focus on themselves.
“The situation with Wayne Rooney is for the boss, not for the players. We are just focused on winning games and bringing back the winning mentality.
“Everyone talks about Manchester United but nobody has beaten us this season. The problem has been us — we have made some silly mistakes but teams have not been better than us. We have not been playing badly.”
United captain Nemanja Vidic, who signed a new long-term contract two months ago, admitted that all the speculation about Rooney was unsettling the team.
He said: “When rumours are going around talking about the bad performances or something happening around the club and the Glazers, it is not good for the players and not good for the team.”
Rooney’s aspersions that United no longer match his ambition were rejected by midfielder Darren Fletcher, a close friend, who claimed that the club remains at the forefront of the chase for honours.
Fletcher said: “That [lack of ambition] is his opinion, but I believe the players in the dressing room are good enough to take us forward.
“I watch them in training every day and we have got some young, exciting players. When someone leaves, someone always steps up to the mark. This is still the biggest club. What makes big clubs is history. Clubs can have money but this club’s history drives it forward.
“I have experienced big players leaving in the past and we have always managed to respond. When they leave, it is disappointing because they have been team-mates, big players for the club, and achieved massive success for the club.
“But it is the players in that dressing room who are going to be the ones to take Manchester United forward.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...-speaks-out-over-Wayne-Rooneys-behaviour.html
It ultimately left many first team players unhappy and threatened to destabilize the entire team with all that negative attention. It was also blatantly disrespectful to his teammates and Fergie who had played a significant part in his development as a player and he probably never truly forgave him for it.
All the politics, wrangling and the negotiating tactics behind the scenes are understandable and part of the game. Just about most players do it as they have to look after their own interests. Rooney is a greedy little gobshite just like most footballers, but he is an incredibly stupid one. I'm pretty sure that he didn't mean to be disrespectful to his teammates and just wanted his bumper contract but he was probably too thick to consider the repercussions of his actions
. The alternative being that he really wanted to leave the club, which I don't believe in considering his abrupt u-turn.The second episode in which he fell out with Fergie, wanting to leave was understandable and could be excused to a certain extent as he wasn't an important player in Fergie's last season.
I don't despise him or want him to fail but I just don't have the same affinity I had before 2010 when he was amongst my favourite players. Not that players would care about that so long as they get their salary..
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Secondly, the fact that Rooney didn't make it public seems to be often raised, but Rooney contradicting Sir Alex and forcing his hand is often left out.
So we had SAF making excuses for Rooney's absence (ankle injury/save him from abuse etc) from the side to keep the issue under wraps but Rooney had to contradict SAF and also try and force SAF's hand into starting him, by claiming he needed more games etc. Well that went well, and we all know what happened next... If I'm not wrong, there were also rumours of Rooney's contract issues and about him wanting to leave United in the papers during this period (leaked by one of the parties presumably) and I don't blame SAF for making it public in light of these issues.
Nonsense, it was the definition of messy and even SAF said he didn't really think Rooney was respectful.
In addition to the spoilered telegraph article above which contains the repercussions of Rooney's transfer issues and his silly statement,
Denis Law said:
I was in the office on 14 August and David phoned me to say he [Rooney] wasn't signing a contract," confirmed Ferguson.
"I was dumbfounded. Only months before he was saying he was at the greatest club in the world."
Having learned of Rooney's desire to go, Ferguson requested to speak to the player.
"Dealing with the next step was always going to be decisive for us, how we dealt with the situation," he said.
"I asked to have a meeting with the boy and he reiterated what his agent said, that he wanted to go.
"The one thing I said to him was 'respect this club, I don't want any nonsense from you'.
"I don't know if he has done that. I have doubts on that, we are reading all these things about falling out with me and all that nonsense.
"It's disappointing because we have done everything we possibly can to help Wayne Rooney ever since he came to the club.
"We have always been here as a harbour for him any time he has been in trouble, the advice we have given him. I was even prepared to give him financial advice.
"But it's not just Wayne Rooney, we have done that for all the players. Wayne has been the beneficiary of that, just as Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes have... so there has been no falling out.
"So there we are, we have got into a situation where we had to clarify this for our fans because what we saw on Saturday was unacceptable.
"When we got to 2-2 [against West Brom] and they were chanting Wayne Rooney, it's a pressure on the players and didn't do the team any good so we had to clarify the situation and put it right."
"We've done nothing but help him since he's been at this club," said Ferguson, who has not given up hope of Rooney remaining at Old Trafford.
"We cannot quite understand why he would want to leave. No-one can deny this club is one of the most successful in British football.
"We have won 40 major trophies, countless cup finals, have a fantastic history, a great stadium, great training arrangements.
"We don't understand it. I can't answer any questions about why he is doing it. We can speculate. We can have opinions. It won't matter a dickie-bird, simply because the player is adamant he wants to leave."
All that nonsense for just wanting a new feckin contract...
If it's anything, it's you who are trying to rewrite history mate.
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Excellent summary there. cheers.
@Joga Bonito with a clinical blow as ever.
From?
Interesting comments from Sammer
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ining-Bayern-Munich-says-Matthias-Sammer.html
Real weren't interested. Barca had a half decent forward at the time too.
PSG had Zlatan.
Why were only Chelsea interested in him when it looked realistic then?
looks at the comments beneath the article aswell, that's 3 years ago
Didn't they make just a 25 mil bid too?
From a Chelsea that paid 50 mil for Torres 18 months earlier. Demand for him wasn't particularly great.
Great posts @Joga Bonito
@Joga Bonito It's 3:20 am here so I'll do a bit more detailed reply it to tomorrow but you also failed to answer one thing. Lets for now work on the assumption that okay, Rooney was as disrespectful as Ronaldo. But why is it that Ronaldo gets away with it so easily? All said and done, one man did his best to leave and left and the other is now in his 11th year here and our club captain. Ronaldo is obviosuly far superior a footballer but does that excuse him?
Wasn't there heavy interest from PSG too? Their owners kept saying they wanted him from what I remember. In 2010 , the gap between the Fergie presser and his new deal must have been a week at most? Also, it being in October, no team was really going to show interest. However, seeing just how widely he's respected across the continent, it's safe to say there would definitely have been offers in 2010. In 2013 there being lesser offers was understandable.
Wasn't there heavy interest from PSG too? Their owners kept saying they wanted him from what I remember. In 2010 , the gap between the Fergie presser and his new deal must have been a week at most? Also, it being in October, no team was really going to show interest. However, seeing just how widely he's respected across the continent, it's safe to say there would definitely have been offers in 2010. In 2013 there being lesser offers was understandable.
I completely forgot about this little episode. Just goes to show the lengths he's willing to go to get his own way, be it contracts or playing time, even under SAF.
Great post @Joga Bonito
There definitely would be interest in a peak Rooney.
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All this stuff about contracts and him being scouse and treating his wife like shit when she was pregnant etc...isn't relevant to most of us that criticize Rooney, some seem to find it hard to understand it's not hate or agenda or any other dramatic term, it's simply a case of him being a has-been and United, the team we are all supposed to put before any favourite player, would be better with a top class player in the position he hogs.
Not that one. I'm making reference to the one that happened in December prior to Wolfsburg game.He, Evans, and one more I believe...not drunk though, hangover, or maybe not even that, but late to training with being at party the night before.
EDIT: Gibbo!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...opped-from-team-after-lethargic-training.html
So, not drunk for sure. Another hurtful myth.
If Rooney would have left he was only going one place and it certainly wasn't Spain. Continental players leaving us for Spain is a lot more palatable than a player leaving us for our rivals.
Just like Arsenal fans were more tolerant of Fabregas leaving for Barca than Van Persie leaving for us; or Liverpool fans differing views on Suarez and Torres etc. It's seen as more of a betrayal.
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If Sir Alex wanted him here he wouldn't of thrown him under the bus by saying he asked away again. When that comment came out the attitude from most fans was "feck him" and we thought we'd be fine with RVP, Hernandez, Welbeck and Kagawa playing in his best position.
Obviously he wouldn't say anything other than "he'll be here next season". If he said he wants rid, no club would offer any sort of decent fee for a player who not only wants out but the clubs own manager says he wants him gone.
Obviously he wouldn't say anything other than "he'll be here next season". If he said he wants rid, no club would offer any sort of decent fee for a player who not only wants out but the clubs own manager says he wants him gone.
Well you have to ask yourself why despite Ronaldo having left ages ago ppl dislike Rooney more. The fact that this happens says all already.
Better players are afforded more leeway of course. Ronaldo's 2009 season despite being worse than his previous one was miles better than anything Rooney has done since 2010.
While one stayed for one season after his summer drama and undeniably was our best player and deserved to start every game in 2009 and then left for a world record fee, the other is still here and has been doing nothing valuable for 4 years but is on 250 k.
Even more one despite being the far superior player didn't downplay his teammates' qualities or the club's ambitions.
Better players are afforded more leeway of course. Ronaldo's 2009 season despite being worse than his previous one was miles better than anything Rooney has done since 2010.
While one stayed for one season after his summer drama and undeniably was our best player and deserved to start every game in 2009 and then left for a world record fee, the other is still here and has been doing nothing valuable for 4 years but is on 250 k.
Even more one despite being the far superior player didn't downplay his teammates' qualities or the club's ambitions.
Hats off @Joga Bonito
I think there were rumours about a drink problem or something.
What got me though was that our captain didn't even bother to fly out with the squad for that must win game.
Cmon thats just solid PR crap, that has permeated every single football player. When asked about any player they all regurgitate the same crap, every single time, especially the neymar one, thats just standard PR training, means nothing
It seemed pretty obvious from how Ferguson was using the squad that he would have shipped Rooney out after 2012/13. He loved Kagawa and seemed ready to play him in preferred No. 10 position the following season and we all know that he long had a raging hard on for RVP, who I feel he would have been able to milk another 1 or 2 great seasons from.
If Fergie stayed on, there's no way he'd have kept a waning Rooney for too long, let alone give him a bollocks new £300k 5 year contract
I'm talking about 2013.
Chelsea were the only club with genuine interest, and they offered a measly fee
It was different in 2010,but he was a much better player back then.
That's generally the point of all this. The decline has started much longer than many of his fans care to admit.
And the Neymar comments are basically PR as someone seeing said seeing as Barca had someone play at 9 that was kinda decent.
I don't think it was all set up by Fergie to get him sold. I know it's fancy and easy to blame it all on Moyes because he was inept overall but here if he sold him, he would've been simply murdered. Yes, we all knew back then that we'd be okay with RVP in the squad instead but it still wasn't Rooney of the same rapid decline we witness now. I also can't see Woodward selling him for commercial reasons, him having his first season at the club, learning the ropes and all that shit.
Fact is this man's had too much power at this club ever since we bent over to him with that first transfer request when we simply let him dictate it all and get his contract.
Fact is this man's had too much power at this club ever since we bent over to him with that first transfer request when we simply let him dictate it all and get his contract.