If a team offered him the money we were stupid enough to give him after Sir Alex left, Rooney would have left long ago. He's not as good as Ronaldo that's why there was lesser interest in a transfer for him.You know what they say-You either leave a hero or stay long enough to become a villian
Jokes aside for me Rooney would always be the bigger club legend. Inspite of everything he stayed and that's what is important. Ronaldo left, leaving at that time one of the best teams in the world to move to a club that was down in the doldrums, chasing some "childhood dream". I don't understand why this particular reason entitles him to sympathy from Utd fans. For me any player who actively tried to leave Utd to move to another club for no obvious footballing reason can never be a bigger legend than someone who gave us his best years and ran his body into the ground for us.
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Which is also true about Rooney. He was incredible till 2014 or so in terms of creation as well. Other than scoring screamers from half line and outside the box he could run up and down for the entire 90 minutes. Rooney would be defending in our box and in 10 seconds he would be scoring one in the other end. I'm sure he terrorised many teams too.
He clearly has an affinity for this club. Even last game, he was genuinely happy when Rashford scored. He clearly is very dedicated to the club.
He's being paid over $200,000 pounds per week despite not being anywhere near good enough to command that elsewhere, of course he's happy at the club.
League cup winner? How the feck is this Rooney's biggest achievement?
Must admit that at first I thought we played Spurs not Villa in that final. Etched forever in our memory, no doubt.
And, that right there, is according to some, Rooney's biggest United moment.
What a stupid logic
He got that contract when he was our best player.
Plus it's clear city wanted him in 2010 and Chelsea in 2013. So it's not that there was no interest. Just that he was happy to stay if United met his demands
Ohh!! And who told you that?? Sir Alex?? Ed Woodward?? David Gill? Perhaps Rooney himself?
If you think Ronaldo is a bigger legend than him by all means keep on believing that. But please don't invent stories on your own. The media does quite a good job of it on their own.
Are you drunk or something?? Rooney has scored goals against all our big rivals, home and away multiple times. He's scored in Champions league final, semi finals, quarter finals, Round of 16. And one can have a good game without scoring as well of which he has had a bucket load in big games.
What on Earth are you trying to prove by giving these asinine comments??
Yes, he is not good as Ronaldo, that's obvious, but there was always interest in him. Back in 2010. when Rooney had less than a 2 year contract with United interest was enormous. City especially would throw a bank at him because they were trying to prove their power both on the field, and out of it. There were certainly others but City exit was the one that was the worst scenario as he was United greatest star. That put him and his cnut of an agent in a great negotiation place and they used it. Personally, I always thought he was after more money, not United exit as it was a case at the end. City would match any United offer and probably give more. Understand also the frustration that came out of the whole thing. After that, as others already mentioned Chelsea were after him in 2014.
On the topic, choose Rooney. He stayed, he gave us his best years. Can see why many choose Ronaldo but for me he didn't stayed long enough and he join other club in the end. Shame Rooney is in a state in which he is right now but that's not the reason to overwrite history and his contribution while he still had it.
Reports saying Ed would jump at the chance to resign Ronnie, obviously click bait but it would be hard to turn down other thran the sizeable fee that it would take
I was just giving you some examples of notable goals Rooney has scored, during his smalltime career...of winning multiple trophies including league, European and world titles...you are the only one here trying to belittle all that into a single goal against Aston Villa.
It does kind of devalue your point when you claim that Rooney's league cup finall goal is the highlight of his career, and it turns out that it's not even the most significant thing he's done in a League cup final.
And now you're trying to claim his goalscoring record is nothing to write home about...he's scored more goals for both his club and country than any other footballer, in history. It is literally impossible for it to be more impressive than that. The only player left who's record Rooney can better, is Wayne Rooney's.
I wouldn't compare him to Ronaldo as a talennt to be honest. There's only a tiny handful of players in history who you can. I just find your arguments against Rooney hilariously bad. He scored over 30 goals the season after Ronaldo left by the way...then the year after that basically won us the league, then the year after that got over 30 goals again. Maybe he still thoght he was supporting Ronaldo during this time?
You asked for significant goals or performances from Rooney. I gave you examples. It is literally what you asked. The problem isn't that, it's that your agument is too daft to mount a defence for so you have to keep trying to change it or make it more specific. City still had a chance of the title at the tiime of Rooney's goal against them, so even that point is completely wrong.
Does scoring a hat trick when your team are 2-0 down not count as turning a defeat into a win now then? Or does it only count when players other than Rooney do it?
You keep being sarcastic as if you think you're being clever. I would probably stop doing that.
It has to be Rooney, as annoying as it is. Ronaldo left us at his prime for Real Madrid, that is a big issue in saying he is a legend.
When Rooney retires he will end up in the Tier 1 or 2 of best players of all time while Ronaldo will end up in GOAT tier. I think that alone says alot.
Ronaldo's peak at Manchester United was far more impressive than Rooney's although he was also a key player in the success of Man United during those years.
In the end, after Ronaldo started to peak he was pretty much a one man army and having a Rooney or Tevez alongside him didnt hurt but I'm pretty sure he would still destroy the EPL with lesser players. You could always build a team around Ronaldo but it was never the case with Rooney since I always saw him more in a support role than the guy that carries a team.
His contributions are impressive but alot of people rate Rooney over Ronaldo because of the years he stayed but in the end of the day, what Ronaldo could do, Rooney could only dream in doing it.
Im not even gonna talk about his Madrid career because that was even more insane by anyone standarts
Ronaldo's peak at Manchester United was far more impressive than Rooney's although he was also a key player in the success of Man United during those years.
In the end, after Ronaldo started to peak he was pretty much a one man army and having a Rooney or Tevez alongside him didnt hurt but I'm pretty sure he would still destroy the EPL with lesser players. You could always build a team around Ronaldo but it was never the case with Rooney since I always saw him more in a support role than the guy that carries a team.
His contributions are impressive but alot of people rate Rooney over Ronaldo because of the years he stayed but in the end of the day, what Ronaldo could do, Rooney could only dream in doing it.
Im not even gonna talk about his Madrid career because that was even more insane by anyone standarts
Everyone saying Ronaldo, it would have been a bad decision to keep him after 09, for him and ourselves as well. He had his heart set on Madrid, he left. Never said a bad word about us, ok. But a legend for me is a person who stays with the club no matter what and even though I don't think Rooney is a saint but for my club, I'd prefer Rooney over Ronaldo if I want to set an example. Rooney flirted, SAF said in his book that he wanted United to have an ambition but when we didn't show it (Ozil fiasco) he wanted to leave, but he is still with us and you cannot question his integrity now.
I've stuck to a consistent line throughout which other people are unable to counteract correctly without completely missing the point.
Ronaldo all day, special player.
Rooney. Even though still haven't truly forgiven him for the 2010 saga and he's been past it for a while, he gave us the best years of his career and the bulk of it too. CR7 jumped ship to Madrid and would've done so earlier had we allowed it. He's not as revered as the likes of Charlton, Best, Scholes, Giggs etc but Rooney is still a legend of the club, don't think Ronaldo is for me.
No, it's the one time he's led you to a trophy while being the leading man. Please read the posts before responding.
The reason we are discussing the goal against Villa is that someone claimed there wasn't much between Ronaldo in 2007-08 and Rooney in 2009-10. The comparison between Ronaldo scoring an important goal in a CL final and Rooney doing the same in a League Cup final just seemed to aptly sum up the difference in the two players. It's the difference between a player who is successful when he is part of a dominant team compared to a player who dominates to lead his team to success.
I wouldn't bother citing "all time top scorer" records. They're just totally irrelevant, especially in this discussion about individual goals and performances. Wayne Rooney has played as a forward for Manchester United for 13 years and England for 14 years. Clearly he's a very good player to have been picked that many times and scored that many goals but for a striker in a big team you'd be hoping at the very least for a one in two record which averages out at about at what? 20 goals a season (let's be conservative) Which averages about 260 goals over 13 years. United's goal record was 249, so he's basically done exactly what you'd expect a striker to do over 13 seasons. "Impossible to be more impressive than that" is just rubbish. Are those records equally as impressive as Ronaldo or Messi's goalscoring records for club and country? Obviously not. If Rooney had scored one more goal each for United and England it would be more impressive. Or if he'd scored at an average of 1.5 every 2 matches instead of (under) 1 in 2. Or if at least one of those goals had won World Cups, Champions League finals or title deciders.
I'm being sarcastic because people actually lack the comprehension skills to understand that I'm saying it DOES count as that but even in that season there were comparable feats by lesser players in the same team.
Those specific stats (61 goals in 5 seasons) ARE nothing to write home about. In the context of comparing his importance to United's success, Ronaldo's stats were 66 in 3 seasons (league goals only) in years you won the league. Rooney was never top scorer or the most important player in years you won the league. These are all facts.
Honestly, he shouldn't even be compared to Drogba, let alone Ronaldo.
This, can't be a legend if you jog off to another club in your peak and claim slavery. I really don't like Ronaldo all that much. I'd rather sing Wes Browns name all day then "viva Ronaldo" viva fecked off to Spain more like.
Rooney gave his all for United, the guy could have sat out for certain games rested longer after injurys and prolonged his career but he was always wanting to get out and play, bomb all over the pitch and give 100%. He chose to risk his body for titles for our club and chose success over long term options. Rooney over Ronaldo all day for the simple fact that he stayed at United.
This thread is absurd. Ronaldo over Rooney obviously. Rooney started off with a bang but just wasn't dedicated as Ronaldo was to achieve his true potential. Rooney would never have been as good as Ronaldo or Messi but would have definitely been in Suarez and Lewandowski's category if he was more focused to develop further.
Confusing questions, plus if we go back to 2004, we can't know what'll happen in the future.Anyway, football is a team game, both Ronaldo and Rooney played important various roles in all the seasons they've played for us - together and alone after Ronnie left. I'll pick them both considering their strong football qualities and potentials - important if we're planning to have a long consecutive years of football domination with an aim to be the world best team. Simply put, Rooney ensures we're a great elite team, and Ronaldo bring us to the greater level of the world best team. They still require other players of course.
From the start, CR does admit he have that strong desire to play for Real so eventually he'll leave and Rooney would seem to be the one likeliest to stay the longest being English and all. Rooney for sure is more consistent overall from his first season for us and ensure our team to always have high standard as the bar, gradually becoming our most important key player after the likes of Scholes retire, although he's so bad in his 30s, we still have a lot more long consecutive "stable" strong seasons having him. Since then I understand the negative reputations he instigated after the flirting thing with MCity.
Ronaldo instead is a lot more inconsistent in earlier seasons, but have the higher ceiling world-best-player potential, which he did reached for us thankfully, and important in bringing us to the next greater world level. We benefited from having him with those 3 peakest world-best-team consecutive seasons we're enjoying which he gave us. Since he left, there is a very obvious void we seems to be missing. Our team is still strong in winning titles but admittedly not among the very best. Player of his kind that could help transcend us to the greater level, doesn't comes often.
If you keep moving goal posts and make random points, Ronaldo scored only 1 goal against Chelsea IIRC and that was in 2008-09 when we won 3-0. Chelsea were direct rivals for us in all the seasons. So according to your weird logic, Ronaldo never changed the outcome of the season.
Ronaldo was the better player, I'd agree but your whole point is utterly absurd and stinks of someone who hasn't a fecking clue. The reason we only won the league cup was because Rooney got injured not because it was Rooney leading the charge to success. If Rooney doesn't get injured we very likely win the league and go further in the CL where Fergie chose to play a visibly injured and limping Rooney ahead of Berbatov. You'd know all this if you ever actually watched us instead of Wiki-ing results. In essence, if Rooney had the same quality support cast Ronaldo did (i.e Rooney himself) we'd have won the league and reached the CL final as well. You're essentially blaming Rooney for getting injured.
He also scored only goal and won us the 2008 FIFA Club World Cup final against LDU Quito, mind you.
I completely agree with your general point. Rooney never stepped up to be "the man" at United. He was good enough to lead the team to be competitive but not to lead the team to success. He was a really good player, just not good enough to be a talisman at a club the size of United.
It's why United only won one title in the 3 seasons post Ronaldo (the one was when Berbatov had an amazing season) and why Fergie then went out and bought Van Persie to lead the team to success and he did it.
Let's not forget Rooney's wonderful selflessness during the Ronaldo years. Here was an absolutely brilliant player who other teams would give their eye teeth for who would often play a role on the left wing for the sake of the team's balance. Pet theory of mine is that once Ronaldo had gone, Rooney carried resentment from that period into his contract negotiations and fights with the club.
I'm torn. Rooney is our leading goalscorer and has given his career to the club. He has contributed to so many great memories and been a huge factor in our successes. But the Ronaldo we had was the kind of player that all United teams should have. He was not only an entertainer, a player that lifted your arse of your seat every time he picked up the ball, but also massively threatening with it.
I also think it's unfair to say one of them contributed more to our success than the other (when we had both, of course). We won those leagues and that CL because we had both. We were the best team in Europe, because we had both. Ronaldo flourished because of the players he had alongside him, and vice versa.
I think I'd go for Rooney in hindsight. Sure, recent seasons have been a bit of a black mark against him, but he's still here giving us his all, even if his all isn't quite good enough.
I also think it's unfair to say one of them contributed more to our success than the other (when we had both, of course). We won those leagues and that CL because we had both. We were the best team in Europe, because we had both. Ronaldo flourished because of the players he had alongside him, and vice versa.
I think I'd go for Rooney in hindsight. Sure, recent seasons have been a bit of a black mark against him, but he's still here giving us his all, even if his all isn't quite good enough.
He was moved to different positions because he wasn't good enough to make a given position his own. He was very good everywehre but not quite world class anywhere. Nothing to do with selflessness. If he didn't want to play where Fergie told him to play, he wouldn't play at all. Simple.
Ronaldo has had the career which many fans expected from the white Pele. I was one of them.
Ronaldo. He will go down in history as one of the greatest ever players.
But to the people who say he is getting better, I'm not sure thats true. He is more of a poacher now and scpres more goals yes. But the ability he had to terrorise the defenders up and down the wings and those quick feet and skills will always be in my mind when people talk of Ronaldo.
But to the people who say he is getting better, I'm not sure thats true. He is more of a poacher now and scpres more goals yes. But the ability he had to terrorise the defenders up and down the wings and those quick feet and skills will always be in my mind when people talk of Ronaldo.
I can't take these threads seriously, ex red , Ronaldo is loved & put on a pedestal by many for openly wanting to leave & then leaving , whilst the man who wanted to leave but stayed is despised & ridiculed by many.
Both achieved great things with us , but the fact is, Rooney gave his peak years to us, Ronaldo gave his to Madrid.
Both achieved great things with us , but the fact is, Rooney gave his peak years to us, Ronaldo gave his to Madrid.
I still can't make sense of this thread and I've been trying to since Wednesday.
Would we rather pick Rooney for 10ish years? Or Ronaldo for 3+3? That is literally what happened in the history books so I don't have a clue how to answer this. Would we rather what happened in history, or what happened in history?...
He was close enough to the best in the world, we can't change history and he has had a wonderfully decorated career with us.
No, he has absolutely not tarnished his legacy. I get the feeling that many here who are happy to outpour endless amounts of drivel are going to go absolutely apeshit when Rooney retires and is wheeled out endlessly as a marketing tool by the club. "England and United's top scorer". In 25/30 years Rooney will be our Sir Bobby figure, heralded as one of our all-time greats relentlessly synonymous with the modern incarnation of Fergie's golden run to retirement. I guess we'll see how people want to cope with Rooney being endlessly brought up in the context of England and Manchester United for years to come. We've seen it on here, it isn't pretty. If people are having a hard time handling it now, good luck handling it after he retires.
Well good luck with that one. Quite frankly, nonsense.
Would we rather pick Rooney for 10ish years? Or Ronaldo for 3+3? That is literally what happened in the history books so I don't have a clue how to answer this. Would we rather what happened in history, or what happened in history?...
He was close enough to the best in the world, we can't change history and he has had a wonderfully decorated career with us.
No, he has absolutely not tarnished his legacy. I get the feeling that many here who are happy to outpour endless amounts of drivel are going to go absolutely apeshit when Rooney retires and is wheeled out endlessly as a marketing tool by the club. "England and United's top scorer". In 25/30 years Rooney will be our Sir Bobby figure, heralded as one of our all-time greats relentlessly synonymous with the modern incarnation of Fergie's golden run to retirement. I guess we'll see how people want to cope with Rooney being endlessly brought up in the context of England and Manchester United for years to come. We've seen it on here, it isn't pretty. If people are having a hard time handling it now, good luck handling it after he retires.
Well good luck with that one. Quite frankly, nonsense.
Which is stupid. We lost the league on Goal difference in 11-12 and by a point in 09-10. If you seriously think thats due to Rooney then your intelligence needs to be seriously questioned. Especially when you consider that Rooney spent a good few weeks injured in 09-10 and we were in the driving seat in 11-12 only for our defence to concede goals for fun towards the back end of the season.
Btw Ronaldo has won the league once at Real Madrid so far being their main man and in the 2 CL finals he played he scored one goal (a penalty, fourth goal in a 4-1 win). So by your own criteria, Ronaldo has been underwhelming at RM in terms of success than, say, Bale who scored the goal where they led atletico in 2014.
Which is again stupid based on your own senseless logic. You claim that Rooney underachieved because he has scored 250 goals vs 260 thats expected (13x20). Drogba stayed at chelsea for 9 full seasons and scored 164 goals meaning he is short of 180 goals too (9x20) and Rooney is superior.
Whole career there were doubts about his best position. But I think you could hardly find at his peak many players who were able to have such versatility and ability to have a brilliant/world class game in so many roles. His biggest problem was always for me constant dip of form which could happen to him for a month or two, or out of nowhere for one particular game where he looked average at best.
That was his real problem for me, not the inability to take one position as specialist. On the other hand, when he is on form you have him ridicule the likes of Thiago Silva in 1/8 of the final against Milan in both legs as a pure striker. Going into the game with serious injury against Bayern to try win as the tie, later. That season he was really in the top 3 players.
He never fulfilled his expected potential as you said, but that potential was to be the greatest player of his generation. But, all things considered, am with other side on this one. He stayed, other one left. Choose to have his best years somewhere else.
Ronaldo is a world class player and a dedicated sportsman while Rooney has never been a world class player.
Bold statement.
Ronaldo became above world class and Rooney was world class for a few seasons. Just because he is pretty much a decent rotation option now, doesn't mean he wasn't world class in his peak years
But that goes right back to the 'World Class argument', some people limit that title to the best of the best at their peak e.g. Ronaldo, C Ronaldo, Messi, Zidane, Maradona, Cruyff, Van Basten etc. While others loosen the term to include the likes of Rooney, Kaka, Gerrard etc.
It's such a blurred line that it can't be taken as a definitive term.