His movement is better than everyone we have. The run for the penalty says it all.
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Rooney did more today up top with his runs and movement then Falcao and RVP have managed in a long time. And I didn't think he was particularly great either.
Your love for Rvp and hate for Rooney is legendary. Your consistency must be applauded
Thought he was easily your biggest threat and was much better than Van Persie was against Burnley.
It's a dive. And it'll get reviewed because of the Wayne Rooney/ Manchester United effect. Like banning him for swearing.
I understand the logic of avoiding a challenge to not be hurt, but he simulated the contact. He could have just gone to ground, or put his hands out.
I understand the logic of avoiding a challenge to not be hurt, but he simulated the contact. He could have just gone to ground, or put his hands out.
Bloody hell 
The BBC boys club love in over him is quite sickening it has to be said
The BBC boys club love in over him is quite sickening it has to be saidHe was ok tonight but to be fair he hasn't played up top for us in a while. Certainly offered more than Falcao.
Di Maria was.
Wasn't great tonight, but showed more in one game then Falcao and Van Persie have in several.
The end product wasn't good but I liked his runs, and it's been a long time since his last game upfront, while RVP is pretty shit in term of performances for about 18 months.
Rooney didn't have a great game and yet this was the best movement we've seen from any of our strikers all season. Even the penalty was a great run by Rooney. Unlike the other two static strikers, he actually has the pace to stretch defenses. And he also combines well with ADM.
Aren't you the hypocrite though? If RvP had put in the exact same performance, you'd be defending it.
Me, I thought Rooney was fairly average tonight, and will say so. But better than Falcao, and certainly no worse than RvP has been of late.
Might also add that he hasn't played up front in ages, and given a run there, he'll score more than both of them.
Same applies to yourself then, since you never wanted us to sign rvp in the first place.
He could've just hopped over the goalie and continued on.
Should he have made contact with his feet and risked an injury? He was clearly impeded - 100% penalty.
I remember Sturridge did the same against Vidic last season and if I remember correctly everyone here was saying definite dive. Now there's few saying it.
Wayne Rooney is our best striker as many of us have been saying for months.
Start him up front every game.
Start him up front every game.
Carrick, dont really like the fact that our captain is a person who makes terrible fouls, swears at the referee every time he makes a decision Roo doesnt agree with, sometimes even discussing with the ref while the game is going on, now he's going to add diving? That's not pretty good for the face of United.. Other than that, when we're not playing well, I expect our captain to turn up, and step up his game, inspire the team, dont get that feeling with him this seasom but it was a quality of his pre LVG, which is strange imo. But this is how I think how a captain should (not) be, you can think different.
Should he have made contact with his feet and risked an injury? He was clearly impeded - 100% penalty.
Or he could have jumped without falling on his arse.
I said the Sturridge one was a penalty, and argued as such for about two days. That's why i'm consistent in saying this one was a penalty as well. As the commentator said, he was impeded, the 'keeper got nowhere near the ball, hence the award of a foul being a reasonable decision. And a foul in the box = a penalty.
Rooney was clearly above the average of the rest of the players on the pitch tonight. Is I type this he's just been announced MOTM too, so you're clearly in the minority here.
Carrick misses 2-3 months every season and isn't a "leader" on the pitch. Rooney was definitely the best chance.
Seeing the penalty again, his burst of pace for the penalty is brilliant. There's no way RvP or Falcao ever do that and beat a man. Rooney needs to play more games up top. Drop Rvp and/or Falcao
Can't believe how that NoWin dude got that kieto MK2 title. Worthier people here of that.
Yeah, I specifically remember you and fair enough you are consistent. At the time I was saying it was a dive as it was, and this Rooney one was a dive too.
Off topic but how anti man Utd is martin keown !
Jesus Christ the man hates us ! Defo up there with micky Quinn
Jesus Christ the man hates us ! Defo up there with micky Quinn
He pretty much has to dive or let himself get clattered to get the penalty, otherwise the referee won't give the penalty. It's amazing how this is always left out of the debate about diving, because there are so many situations like these where the player doesn't dive and doesn't get anything from it after he's clearly been impeded but tries to play on.
Anyways, let's just play Rooney up front from here on and out. Even on a pretty average day, like tonight, his movement alone adds more to our offensive play than RvP and Falcao are able to contribute.
Should watch Terry more and then question Chelsea's success perhaps?
And Carrick who is 34 this summer and has played half the premier league games this season? Ok sounds real long term.
Motm between himself and 2 Preston players that Keown chose. Ok
Rooney seems to me to be trying to do his best for the team each week no matter where he plays. Hope he gets some credit among fans for his effort.
Wouldnt have Carrick as injury prone per se, only reason I'd consider him is because of his length at the club, if evra, ferdy, carrick were still regulars, would have him out immediately.
He's not injury prone but he somehow seems to pick up one injury that rules him out for 3 months every season. Usually seems to be start of season as well.
Chelsea have had more leaders in their team, think of Drogba, Lampard, Rooney is supposed to be our maij leader. Not comfortable with that idea.
Carrick is something you are not grown in to when you're already of age. You have leadership skills and mindset or not, because of that I couldnt care if Carrick is 34 or not, imo, Rooney isnt suddenly going to become a great captain in a year or two.
Something LVG said too, Seedorf was a leader in Ajax 1 when he was 16 years old, you have those skills or not.
I didn't realise Keown had anything to do with it. I withdraw that part of my post then. The rest stands.Amazing turn of pace for the penalty. Our best striker. feck the balance Rooney up top please Louis
He was my motm....easy choice.
Not the best Rooney performance but he's miles ahead of our other strikers, though I would truely like to see Rooney and Wilson together upfront. It's been a while since we've had such a dynamic strikeforce.
Movement was excellent could have had a hattrick had Di Maria had his boots on the right feet.
Yeah, it is quite obvious. If Rooney had not jumped and had instead been sliced by the keeper, then everyone would agree that it was a clear penalty, right? Why should he have his legs taken away from under him and risk an injury when he can jump out of harms way? Gary Neville argued this a while ago, and I'm betting he'll say the same about this situation if he's asked.
If the player has to jump to avoid being kicked and that sends him to ground, I deem that a foul tbh. In Rooneys case though, he could have avoided being kicked and stayed on his feet.
Up top we usually have about as much movement as an 80 year olds bowels, tonight we had movement, pace and workrate, surely LvG has to leave him up top now despite his other worries.
So what you are arguing is that the rule should be that as long as it is possible for a player to stay on his feet, it should not be a foul, regardless of whether that's a disadvantage to the player or not?
It's a strange interpretation of the game as it has some curious implication, namely that it means that the player on the receiving end of a potential foul is essentially responsible for whether or not it is a foul. For instance, Rooney is a bit slower, less agile or whatever, and is unable to get out of the way of the challenge. At that point it becomes a foul and a penalty, and being slower / less agile becomes an advantage.
Surely whether or not something is a foul HAS to be decided by what the potential offender does, and not by how the player on the receiving end of the foul reacts? Otherwise you'll always be encouraging diving, as is very much the case today. I'll throw in this comment by Alan Biggs which perfectly summarizes the reality of the situation as I see it:
Note: This has been one of my pet peeves about modern football for a while, ever since I played myself, so it's not really just an attempt to defend Rooney. It find it inexplicable that this point is always left out of the public diving debate, when it is so clearly an inconsistency in the way that the rules are interpreted and enforced which encourages diving.
Great to have some movement in the team finally. Much better second half from him overall as well, as his passing was off in the first. Got a goal, even if it was a pen. Hopefully he stays there now, best striker at the club by a very big distance.