America is one of the worst democracies there is but it is still lightyears better than living in Russia. If America is an overpriced one room apartment, Russia is an improvised tent somewhere under a bridge. Both not particularly comfortable but I know which one I would pick. And you seemingly do as well since you're not living in Russia.
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America is one of the worst democracies there is but it is still lightyears better than living in Russia. If America is an overpriced one room apartment, Russia is an improvised tent somewhere under a bridge. Both not particularly comfortable but I know which one I would pick. And you seemingly do as well since you're not living in Russia.
You actually don't need to live in the US but do anyway, all the while yearning for totalitarian Russian values ? How strange.
I don´t know the posters life story, but just packing up and leaving is generally not as easy as its made out to be.
I ain't offended, I am Serbian immigrant living in USA. I don't think Putin is good at all or that invasion is justified by any means. I do disagree that is "unprovoked", and I do think that USA could have done a lot more or actually a lot less to prevent this. Off course Russians are diplomatically retarded as if they weren't, most of this sh1t would have been prevented prior to 2014.
Anyhow, I hope for peace fast. I'm seeing some promising hints that the peace might be coming. On another hand this might be very long crisis (decades), hopefully with minimal violence.
I am not yearning for Russian values. Just advocating that USA is not force for good in this World. Better than Russia? For sure for some nations, not for everybody.
Often a lot easier when you're not from that country in the first place of course.
Imagine after so many decades and sitting on worlds richest resource fields , still not able to produce a fecking decent ball bearing
For me its basic, one country attacked the other, occupied a third of its territory, bombing their cities and towns, taking population by force, destroying their economy for years to come.
Of course we can talk about what led to this and how it happened but basically it's Russian agression against Ukraine. No buts and ifs about that fact.
As for peace its kind of status quo now, everybody is expecting an UA offensive, hopefully that or some other things will lead to the peace soon although at the moment I'm not seeing it tbh.
Majority of those people simply don't want to leave because even though they like to shit on the west and the democracy in general, deep inside they very well know that the alternative is so much worse. It is a pretty common phenomenon, I think it has to do with not matched expectations because before emigrating, a lot of people assume that it will all be rosy which never is the case. They get disappointed that a life over there is not as it was painted in the Hollywood movies.
Ffs
Peace simply cannot exist for any country bordering Russia/Belarus. You can sign whatever "agreement" but it means nothing more than simply giving Russia time to recover and prepare for wars in the future. It actually is quite sad that Europe has allowed to be fooled (or bought) by Russia for so long and some countries saw them as our allies, which was always obvious that they never were.
It´s not really a hard choice if you are from Serbia.
Its certainly harder than logging on to the web to promote Vladimir Putin's narrative about Ukraine, I'll give you that.
I think for instance here in Denmark, people from the middle east and Africa can very easily feel stigmatized and they can be absolutely correct in their critique of the Danish immigration policies and certain xenophobic and some pretty blatant racist parts of the population, but the welfare system, political stability and career oppourtunities still mean they can have a more comfortable life here than in their native country. They dont need to pack their bags while pointing out the flaws. But I get what you mean at the end of the day.
Does it pay well?
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It is to be fair. You don't need USA levels of salary to live a good life.
And of course even if their life in their home country was so appalling, there are lots of non USA countries they could (and can) choose to live and work in, where they can make much more money than they can in Serbia. Some of them even non-western if the issue is with the West as a whole, rather than the USA.
Migrants who actively make the decision to go to a Western country (ie not 2nd generation migrants who have no choice where they were born) and seemingly despise that country make me laugh.
I completely get that, pointing out the flaws is fine. But we have a lot of people who are not really pointing out the flaws but rather are actively pushing whatever it is their native country leaders are promoting, social media is full of them. A lot of them do it while they live comfortably in the western countries. Like he says he doesn't believe the war in Ukraine was unprovoked which we all know it was, the only "provocation" is that Ukraine wanted to move closer towards the west and Russia obviously doesn't like that. The sole fact that so many countries are literally begging/begged to be accepted into NATO/EU should tell you something about our neighbour, not a single country was forced to join which is a complete opposite of the tactics Russia use. But whoever is just parroting information coming from Russia always tries to prove that Russia were backed into the corner by the west.
Just type "Maidan and Azov" in unfiltered search engines like Duck Duck Go and give it a go. Lots of good reads by independent western journalists - better known as Russian propagandists for those who disagree with them.
You didn't have to be so specific.
Just give me some names. And let me know if Poroshenko is an ultra-nationalist or not? If yes, what makes him one? If not, how was he allowed to win an election after the "coup" by ultra nationalists? I just want to understand the logic behind it.
Poroshenko is a Ukrainian nationalist who rapidly promoted separation of Ukraine from any historical Russian ties. No, he is not ultranationalist. Ultranationalists are those Bandera loving Azov folk who were basically a muscle behind the coup.
From my understanding, and please correct me if I am wrong: Ukrainians accused him of dealing with the Russians. I'm not sure if that is a fact or false campaign against him from Zelenskis camp.
But yeah - Poroshenko is clearly not an ultranationalist.
You're conflating basic patriotism with nationalism. Ukraine and Russia are separate countries and it is Russian ultranationalism that seeks to preserve Russian influence in Ukraine (statues, historic sites etc). The fact that Poroshenko, as Ukrainian President, began a de-russification campaign does not make him some sort of crazy nationalist. He's simply working to ensure Ukraine is not a cultural lackey of Putin's Russia.
Is this the whole Jewish Nazi's thing?
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Ah yes, the serbian Paxi. The only unbiased and impartial user of this forum. He's so impartial that he actually moved to the country he hates and criticises the most so he could learn their ways. Unfortunately it didn't work and he's still a russian echo box, the serbian Jimmy Dore Lite.
Now trying to teach ukranian politics to a native. Since there is a disagreement between these conflicted point of views may I suggest a migration to Mariupol where you can in first hand experience inclusive russian non imperialist way of life. I heard they give free houses and pay on time as well.
Another choice is actually move to serbia. They aren't doing too bad now. Anything to save you from the daily anguish of your unsettled existance.
Doubt he will follow any of my advices though. It's better to lack self awareness and enjoy the perks of living in the country that he loves to hate.
Now trying to teach ukranian politics to a native. Since there is a disagreement between these conflicted point of views may I suggest a migration to Mariupol where you can in first hand experience inclusive russian non imperialist way of life. I heard they give free houses and pay on time as well.
Another choice is actually move to serbia. They aren't doing too bad now. Anything to save you from the daily anguish of your unsettled existance.
Doubt he will follow any of my advices though. It's better to lack self awareness and enjoy the perks of living in the country that he loves to hate.
Poroshenko is a russian speaking guy, who started his political career in the same party as Yanukovych. So he's not even a semi nationalist I'm afraid. He promoted things Ukrainians asked for. Decommunization, if that's what you're implying, was hugely popular at the time.
Yes, he had businesses in russia even after 2014. Which again, don't think any Ukrainian nationalist would do.
Azov was formed in May, 2014. Yanukovych fled Ukraine in February that year, so the whole coup thing was over by then.
Jimmy Dore meets Anti-Henry is about right.
That is how it goes. To some you are a patriot to others you are a nationalist.
In either case, he as President, is obliged to act on behalf of Ukraine's interests, not those of Vladimir Putin or on behalf of some outdated pan-slavic mythology about preserving Soviet culture.
I don't hate US. I dislike US foreign policies. US has some outstanding citizens - Like Jimmy Dore for example.
I ain't teaching anything to anyone. He asked me, I answered. That is all. I also don't claim I don't have a bias. I do, as all people do. I'm presenting my point of view without insulting anyone here.
Sure whatever you say. Unfortunately your russian apologist point of view is very insulting for some people, for example my Ukrainian wife. But like she explained to me, it's a waste of time trying to reason with your kind.I don't hate US. I dislike US foreign policies. US has some outstanding citizens - Like Jimmy Dore for example.
I ain't teaching anything to anyone. He asked me, I answered. That is all. I also don't claim I don't have a bias. I do, as all people do. I'm presenting my point of view without insulting anyone here.
My apologies. It is not my aim to insult your wife nor you.
Hey, I don't agree with you but the good thing of living in certain countries is that we have free speech. Unfortunately Russians can't say the same.
Criticism of Washington would not be undeserved in the event of an Ukrainian failure; the Biden administration only has one thing to do ASAP and that's to make sure the hardware arrives within reasonable time.
One thing I can give to the USSR during the Cold War is that they did not give a feck about how much support has to go to a proxy (North Korea or North Vietnam) for as long as the ideological enemy is defeated. Furthermore, the USSR never told their allies to show any restraint in battle. The US should have learned from that a long time ago, and it means the Ukrainians should never be restricted in any measure about the way they fight this war.
We beat that USSR, for what it’s worth.
It's worth a lot! It freed millions of people in Eastern Europe. Just compare Albania, Bulgaria or Romania in the 1980s and today. None of these countries is perfect today, far from it, but they are much better than they used to be in the 1980s.