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Yep, he's going for the nukes.
This could turn into something the world has never seen - nuclear civil war.
This could turn into something the world has never seen - nuclear civil war.
Biden doesn't even know what decade it is and Rishi is busy getting bent over by banks and giving the upper class a reach around.
If this is truly as coordinated and methodological as it appears from the updates in here, then surely this has been in the making for a long time.
Nah, in the most perfect scenario for Prigozhin Wagner will reach Moscow tonight, but they still have to fight their way through to the Kremlin and MoD and occupy them. That will take some time. Also it's almost certain, that Russian forces will probably destroy every road into Moscow if Wagner's column continues. We also must not forget that Russia still has their bomber fleet. If the airforce is still loyal to Putin, he could order them to bomb that column to dust, no matter the civilian cost if he fears for his power and life.
Those nukes are useless without the electronic codes in Putin's suitcase.
Actually astonished that Wagner has faced zero resistance on their march towards Moscow till now. At this rate this’ll be over tomorrow
Then again perhaps it's another sign that Russia s power has been with its intelligence/covert operations and its military might have been well overestimated since the Soviet Union's collapse.
Prigozhin has been criticizing the war and Russian army leadership (by name) publicly for a good 2 months. Saying things that would land just about anyone else in Russian jail for "discrediting the army". This has been coming. And he's had time to plan.
You can't possibly have been around for the past 7 years and still think Trump would handle this better
But maybe not very long. There could easily be a second civil war coming soon after.
Not zero resistance. Wagner has shot down one plane and three helicopters. Presumably because they were attacking Wagner.
Even with one nuke their blackmailing power increases dramatically.
I think they've been ordered to stand down, no need for unnecessary bloodshed and look foolish to the rest of the world. This is like watching a child try to humiliate their parents in public. Still think they'll cut a deal in the end.
Imagine them entering Moscow with one of them ICBM trucks in the middle of them... difficult to bomb then.
No chance that has been order by Putin.
Just saw the Wagner flag..
Lads, we've found one.
You can't possibly have been around for the past 7 years and still think Trump would handle this better
Not at all, they're all useless and corrupt. From Trump to Biden to Boris.
An anti tory? i know astonishing on a United forum with its history as a working class club, mind blowing.
Haven’t been following this, can anyone give me a brief summary of what’s going on please?
Well alright but some are useless like a old Austin Metro and others are useless like a DIY deep sea submersible.
Nothing at all wrong with being anti Tory.
It's the "biden doesn't know what week it is" which is straight out of the far right playbook.
Also the Biden administration has been almost 100% on point in their support of Ukraine. Only critism has been their reluctance to their deliver longer range missiles of fear of escalation that leads to a war of attrition but its been overwhelmingly better than what the EU has managed.
Shit, this is getting real isn’t it? What’s the likely outcome of all this? Anyone know what the aim is apart from a coup? Is there a long game here?
That's assuming there's a sufficiently organized opposition (other than Wagner) that can put something meaningful in motion now. Putin had made very sure that can't happen.
This is obviously good for Ukraine, but I don't see any advantage for ordinary Russians. If Prigozhin wins, he'll probably be a worse dictator than Putin; if Putin wins, his paranoia will probably go up another notch; and either way there might be a good bit of destruction before there is an outcome.
I mean, I'm as happy as anyone that Putin (as an individual) is being out in a situation like this, but I don't see a way yet in which this leads to improvements for Russia as a country or for the Russian people.
Private military group. Recruiting prisoners.
Blackwater and Tans…?
Blackwater and Tans…?
Trump, Biden, far left, far right chuck them all in the same bin, two sides of the same coin.
Reckon reconciliation might be off the table after Putin called Wagner back stabbing traitors
Putin looks like he might get overthrown by Prigozhin, the head of Wagner Group.
It's trading one madman for an even more cunning and evil man. Could mean a military dictatorship in Russia.
If we can get past the schadenfreude of Putin getting toppled, this is bad for the world.
I'm going to assume the Wagner leader if he succeeds in a coup will not be recognised by the majority of the world as Russia's new leader. In which case what happens with them having control of the nuclear arsenal?
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This kind of thing happens in Pakistan every few years. Legitimacy is might and might is legitimacy. The Russian military hierarchy will fall in line and give him the nuclear codes.
"Every revolution evaporates to leave behind the slime of the next bureacracy." Franz Kafka.
Does Wagner have the numbers to keep hold of Russia? They might force Putin out but it’s not as if everybody will bow their heads to them.
Arent there some semblance of elections still in Russia?
Prigozhin, a former cook of Putin, decided to take power in Russia. He leads a mercenary group called "Wagner" that fought in Ukraine since the start of the war. Putin gave Prigozhin free reign to equip his Wagners with military equipment and men. But after some time, the Kremlin and Russian MoD decided Wagner became too strong and dangerous and forced them so sign a contract which would subordinate them to Russian MoD and thus end their independence. But Prigozhin doesn't want to give up his new power and go back to cooking, so he played his last card and started a rebellion in Russia to overthrow Putin's regime.
Yes. its real. No, nobody has scooby doo what the outcome will be.