Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

VorZakone said:
Chris Christie in Ukraine.

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Optics wise, and based on a very limited number of sound bites I’ve seen (posted on here) he seems to be one of the very, very few republicans who has not gone completely insane. I may be wrong of course.
 
Ragnar123 said:
Sanctions are still a joke if this is true.
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It's poor that we've not heard about any new sanctions for such a long time. Obviously you're not going to catch every last little bit of business but you've got to keep the pressure on. Make them find new, more expensive ways to do business each time.
 
Ragnar123 said:
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It’s 9 months since Kherson now. I have no qualifications to assess Ukraine’s prospects, but I cannot see any cause for optimism in liberating any further occupied territory in the near future. It feels increasingly like the current frontlines will become the new de facto borders as the 2014 ones eventually did.

Hope I am wrong, but very sober currently.
 
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Few others mentioning too.
Have russians launched missiles from Belarus before, or is this now them declaring war too?
 
ShoePolish said:


Few others mentioning too.
Have russians launched missiles from Belarus before, or is this now them declaring war too?
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My memory may be failing me but I thought Russia had launched Iskanders from Belarus before. So this may not be a new development.
 
ShoePolish said:


Few others mentioning too.
Have russians launched missiles from Belarus before, or is this now them declaring war too?
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Yes they have launched Iskander ballistic missiles from the ground in Belarus since February last year, they have also been using Belarussian airspace for the launch of air launched missiles.
 
Ok, thought it was weird so many of channels i follow freaking out, but wasn't sure if they used belarus before to launch missiles or to invade at the start of war
 
The Firestarter said:
Russians buy iPhones too.

Except they don't. They fell under the sanctions umbrella. So what the fack is this?
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You can easily buy an iPhone in Russia. Not to mention millions that already have them. It's a very, very odd move from Apple – and it's not the only podcast that they've deleted from the Russian independent media this week because of the Roskomnadzor's notice.
 
harms said:
You can easily buy an iPhone in Russia. Not to millions that already have them. It's a very, very odd move from Apple – and it's not the only podcast that they've deleted from the Russian independent media this week because of the Roskomnadzor's notice.
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That I assumed but it's not officially through Apple. I guess same goes for other electronics. Officially Apple positions was supportive of sanctions and that's why its so bizarre for me.
 
The Firestarter said:
That I assumed but it's not officially through Apple. I guess same goes for other electronics. Officially Apple positions was supportive of sanctions and that's why its so bizarre for me.
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But they still get a cut in the end — indirectly, as someone buys iPhones from them to sell them in Russia. Still, it's weird as feck.
 
The Firestarter said:
That I assumed but it's not officially through Apple. I guess same goes for other electronics. Officially Apple positions was supportive of sanctions and that's why its so bizarre for me.
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I read an article a few weeks ago about many companies announced leaving Russia's market didn't do it actually. Many probably still working in Russia just under different brand names. Corpo greed will always be stronger than morality.
 
Ragnar123 said:
I read an article a few weeks ago about many companies announced leaving Russia's market didn't do it actually. Many probably still working in Russia just under different brand names. Corpo greed will always be stronger than morality.
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Then they should be fined to oblivion for circumventing the sanctions. But who am I kidding, when everyone does it...
 
How weak are the sanctions or better said how easy can Russia circumvent them if they're still capable to build and launch missiles waves? And why has the west stopped talking about further sanctions? So many questions, so few answers.
 
VorZakone said:
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I read a lot about how propaganda is indiscriminate but I'm yet to met anyone that I've considered to be intelligent before the invasion who'd be caught up in that shit*. Maybe I'm just lucky though.

*Aside from my grandfather but he has Parkinsons and his brains are completely gone at this point, sadly.

P.S. that's from people that I know personally. You can argue that Chomsky (who clearly is (was?) extremely intelligent) rehashes a lot of points that are used by the Russian propaganda but I'm not sure that he has been influenced by it – his similar points originate from his own anti-American imperialist rhetoric.
 
“Our commanders are taking a very considered approach,” said his deputy brigade commander, a lieutenant colonel who uses the call sign Consul. “You cannot underestimate the enemy,” he said. “The enemy is strong and cunning. So this counteroffensive requires steady preparation.”

He said it had been wrong to think that the counteroffensive would be swift and easy, adding that when the military commanders found a weakness where they could push through, they would.

“Bit by bit, we will find a place where the seam will split open,” Consul said. “Water cuts through stone, and we’ll do the same, bit by bit. At first it is a small stream and then it turns into a river.”
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https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/07/world/europe/ukraine-marines-counteroffensive.html
 
Seems like a good guy, if being sentenced in absentia for "fakes against the army". He wrote one of my favorite stories Metro 2033.

 
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