A lot of air defense missiles uses a fragmentation warhead with a proximity fuze, the missile explodes close to the airframe and the shrapnel from it does the damage. Those holes could be from the shrapnel.
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Prigozhin and Utkin apparently identified.
Seek revenge with what? Didn't they give up their heavy equipment already?
Wagner belongs to Russia. And Russia belongs to Putin.
Was going to post this thread. Seems GRU were supplanting Wagner everywhere, and this was likely their coup de grace since the guy running the new Africa program just also happened to be their assassinations guy. Obviously Putin gave the order for it.
Based on the flight path and immediate end of transmission, it was either shot down or otherwise blown up.
I hope it was an accident. That's even better the shitstain.
He blew up which is the main positive
This. Wagner will either be absorb into the Mod or Putin will place a new figure head in charge.
Makes a change from falling a window
Never in a million years I would be close to believing this was an actual accident.
The missile warhead has ball bearings like shrapnel, that's what the damage from it looks like.
It depends. If Prigozhin made any plans for Wagner in case he was assassinated, it could get interesting. If not, then most probably they will cease to exist.
Thoughts and prayers
R/noncredibledefense is a funny sub for this kind of stuff...
Second plane?!
Even if Wagner ceases to exist something else will take it's place, and probably hire all the old personnel. Putin needs the services Wagner provides in Africa and the Middle East.
Someone whispering into Putin ears: there was a second plane.
Nah, not buying this yet.
National Guard mobilization?
That was a really dumb move from the cook turned military contractor turned mercenary turned war criminal turned coup leader turned coup bottler turned walking target.
Now, for Utkin to meet him in person, in Russia, on a plane, that's Darwin Award material right there.
Now, for Utkin to meet him in person, in Russia, on a plane, that's Darwin Award material right there.
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Ground to air missiles are proximity burst weapons so they explode near the plane, bombarding it with shrapnel to disable as many critical systems as possible.
Unlike the movies of course where they fly up a tailpipe or into turbines.
The talk of 2 vapour trails nearby says SAM site to me....somone must have been "careless" and not recognised his plane!
Given the way these missiles work this may be the first time that a window blew through the enemy of Putin rather than the other way rouund.
Sucks for the crew of three to be collateral damage in this. Sure, they might have taken up work for the Wagner group, but surely under the assumption that they wouldn't be in the line of fire.
Looks like this wasn't the first time. His aircraft had allegedly been targeted when in Africa
How about... Don't fly by plane? I'm surprised it took this long.
You really think he would have been safer in another transport? He was a dead man walking the second he challenged Putin.
I translate that:
We didn't get any instructions from the Kremlin on what to say, so better shut up if you don't want to risk your life.
Accident my arse
Just imagine if he wasn’t on the plane….