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Some naive souls still believe a trustworthy ceasefire can be achieved with Russia, they just need to be humiliated and defeated, that’s it. They’re the lowest of the low.
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711 said:
Not sure who the UK was invading in 1941, but I am sure the UK itself was scared shitless of invasion in 1940, not to mention being bombed to feck and the shipping vital to avoid starvation was being sunk faster than it could be built.. No two situations are the same but you've picked a silly point to use to prove it. Twice.
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We had troops all over Europe in 1941. And you can leave the remarks about being silly out of it.
 
Rajma said:
Some naive souls still believe a trustworthy ceasefire can be achieved with Russia, they just need to be humiliated and defeated, that’s it. They’re the lowest of the low.
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I'm wondering if they actually (reluctantly) surrendered and the Ukrainians are trying to spin it.
 
Mihai said:
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Funny thing is, this guy isn't just speaking truth now. He was speaking it before the conflict.

Here's a translated article of his from 20 days prior to the war.



Like a modern day Cassandra he correctly predicted the enormity and difficulty of the task of subjugating a nation the size of Ukraine, only for his voice to be drowned out by the chorus of Kremlin boot-lickers and war-hawks who kept saying Ukraine would fold in hours or minutes. He also predicted that there could well be a unified response from NATO, even down to guessing there would be a lend-lease agreement for high tech weapons and western volunteer fighters.
 
MadMike said:
Funny thing is, this guy isn't just speaking truth now. He was speaking it before the conflict.

Here's a translated article of his from 20 days prior to the war.



Like a modern day Cassandra he correctly predicted the enormity and difficulty of the task of subjugating a nation the size of Ukraine, only for his voice to be drowned out by the chorus of Kremlin boot-lickers and war-hawks who kept saying Ukraine would fold in hours or minutes. He also predicted that there could well be a unified response from NATO, even down to guessing there would be a lend-lease agreement for high tech weapons and western volunteer fighters.
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He must be connected with someone high up to be allowed on TV like this. Or else, Putin is allowing it so he can use narratives like this to blame those around him as he seeks to rehabilitate his own image after the fighting stops.
 
MadMike said:
Like a modern day Cassandra he correctly predicted the enormity and difficulty of the task of subjugating a nation the size of Ukraine, only for his voice to be drowned out by the chorus of Kremlin boot-lickers and war-hawks who kept saying Ukraine would fold in hours or minutes.
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Yes. It really does help to appreciate the scale of the conflict in World War II and to realize how relatively small modern military forces are today by comparison.
 
Raoul said:
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Yep. Not to mention that they don’t allow any live footage anymore after what happened with Ovsyannikova (and even before that it was only limited to news). Everything is scripted in those shows — not exactly word for word but the general sentiments and how the arguments go…
 
harms said:
Yep. Not to mention that they don’t allow any live footage anymore after what happened with Ovsyannikova (and even before that it was only limited to news). Everything is scripted in those shows — not exactly word for word but the general sentiments and how the arguments go…
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What's your take on why that guy was allowed to ramble on critically for many minutes on that show ? Do you think Putin is greasing the skids to justify blaming those around him ?
 
Raoul said:
What's your take on why that guy was allowed to ramble on critically for many minutes on that show ? Do you think Putin is greasing the skids to justify blaming those around him ?
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I wouldn’t put too much thought in what’s being said on Russian TV. The propaganda itself doesn’t get clear instructions on what to say (aside from an odd specific comment by Peskov or by the Administration) & every channel had been transformed to an unending stream of news and political talk shows with literally nothing else so some fluctuations will happen. Trying to find deeper meaning in them is pointless — they don’t project Putin’s inner wishes, they try to predict his wishes in advance and those who do are usually thick as shit.

Plus ideally it’s better to watch the entire show to get a proper context for what he’s saying — and no one sane would do it. We’ve all collectively fell into this trap just recently — everyone was sharing the clip of one of the experts saying that those who oppose the “Z” symbol will be castrated and sent to concentration camps… it sounded a bit too much even for Russian propaganda but hey ho, the sentence made grammatical sense and seemed complete.

Only a week or so later a bigger clip was found by someone where a bit of context was introduced — he was talking that NATO & Ukraine will do that if they’d win, even to those Russians who were on their side. Which made much more sense from the general propaganda point of view.

So I wouldn’t focus on that. I’m sure on the end they’ve twisted the message around somehow. Although there’s certainly some understanding even inside Russian infosphere that something went wrong (we’ve been at war for almost 3 months now, people see how the sanctions affect almost every part of their lives, prices on everything have skyrocketed — and yet Russia don’t really have anything to show for it). You have to address that sentiment somehow.
 
phelans shorts said:
I’m fairly certain that the tail is a 1970’s hoover
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It's very outdated technology, 2 cycle engine that makes a lot of noise, no wonder they get shot. Stick a couple of cheap cameras in it, remote control and you have a mysterious 1000$ drone that can't even take good pictures because it has to retain a minimum speed to keep flying.

Pretty sure the ukrainians are happier with the Parrot drones we're sending them...
 
MadMike said:
Funny thing is, this guy isn't just speaking truth now. He was speaking it before the conflict.

Here's a translated article of his from 20 days prior to the war.



Like a modern day Cassandra he correctly predicted the enormity and difficulty of the task of subjugating a nation the size of Ukraine, only for his voice to be drowned out by the chorus of Kremlin boot-lickers and war-hawks who kept saying Ukraine would fold in hours or minutes. He also predicted that there could well be a unified response from NATO, even down to guessing there would be a lend-lease agreement for high tech weapons and western volunteer fighters.
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Can he be president?
 
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