A lot of people can't even make it past the headlines anymore.
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A lot of people can't even make it past the headlines anymore.
Simon Jenkins may think it’s a harmless contrarian piece in The Guardian but I’ve seen similarly defeatist pieces by him circulated on pro-Russian social media. Although not as many as those by the lesser Hitchens.
Why wouldn't you expect that? Turkey has a very divided society and there are many arguments for Erdogan being a fascist. I would expect his followers to be very prone to conspiracy theories and all that. And I also believe that many of them are firmly anti-American, anti-EU, etc. To many, that also means being pro-Russia/Putin.
Scumbags.
Another black eye for a country whose football should be part of the AFC and nowhere near anything European.
Why can't we give Ukraine more than 16 Himars when Poland can buy 500? I Don't get it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/07/28/ukraine-russia-war-himars-missiles/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/07/28/ukraine-russia-war-himars-missiles/
They were not delivered, not yet bought officially. Do you think they have them on stock in some warehouse?
Because it's not just about giving them the launch platforms, there are other things to consider too. Nato countries could probably without any problem give 100 M142/M270 launchers to Ukraine within a couple of weeks.
The problem is being able to provide them with ammunition, spare parts, educated operators and educated maintenance people. There is no point in having 100 launchers in the country if you can only keep 20 of them with ammunition.
Regarding the 500 Poland is buying, they have not even started the production of these yet and it will be many years before all of them will be delivered. I wouldnt be surprised if it will be after 2030 before the full fleet is operational.
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I know pretty much feck all about these things. I'm just saying that considering their massive importance, a measly 16 doesnt seem much.
Well, Erdogan and his followers are Nationalistic and pro-Muslim, and since Turkey had a lot of wars against Russia, I was expecting them to want Russia to lose this war. But of course, you are right about them being anti-American and anti-EU. I guess they consider the West a bigger enemy than Russia.
Erdogan is milking this conflict dry and so far doing an amazing job at getting favors both from Russia and NATO/U.S., so the internal sentiment of his supporters isn’t rigid in support of either one or another side of the conflict.
Erdogan is hosting American fighter jets and 5,000 American troops at Incirlik Air Base in Turkey so I wouldn't quite chalk up Turkey as anti-American. He is simply using the conflict to shrewdly gain concessions from both sides.
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How is Putin selling his alignment with Iran and Turkey? Internally in Russia, I mean. Or do they just hide it? And of course I mean the following picture.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/07/20/putin-meeting-iran-turkey-russia-middle-east-syria-ukraine/
I know that Putin has spent a lot of time positioning himself as the grand defender of Christianity (Orthodoxy), with Third Rome allusions, with blessings of arms by the Moscow Patriarch, and so on... and now his best mates are Muslims? Isn't it scandalous for his followers?
I think many Turkish people are anti-Americans and anti-EU. This was true before Erdogan, too. (It has been getting worse with Erdogan, of course. )
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Americanism#Turkey
(It is more surprising that there are a lot of anti-Americans in Greece, too. Of course, not as many as in Turkey, but still more than my linking!... )
When your ideology is stitched together worse than the Frankenstein’s monster logical fallacies don’t equate to much — it’s not trying to create a coherent and whole picture that would withstand critical analysis.
As for how do the Muslim thing work — from their point of view it’s more important that all of them stand for traditionalist values with dominant & oppressive social & political institutes. A religious (and, ideally, a zealous) Muslim that doesn’t like Western values, hates LGBT etc. is way easier to deal with than, say, a female Catholic priest from Scandinavia that officiates single-sex marriages (the anti-LGBT sentiment is one of their biggest selling points for the general population).
Yes, there are obviously significant differences between Islam and Orthodox Christianity, but the religious institutions, especially when they are used to strengthen an authoritarian political regime (and vice versa), are similar enough to find that common ground.
Football fans the world over will chant anything at all that they think will wind the opposition up. It might not mean much more than that.
I’m not speaking on the mindset of the author of the piece, I’m speaking on the Guardian printing it in a clearly labeled section called “Opinion”.
Came here expecting the blame to fall on the Russians bombing their own POW camps - was not disappointed. Just like we bombed 8,000 or so civilians since 2014. How convenient.
When did contrarianism become defeatism or got forbid objectivity?
Y’all should do some better recruiting for the Wagner Group. They just keep screwing up.
"Very fine people on both sides"
It's one of those moments when it's very tempting to say "feck the UN" for their shitty politics of all sides. Gotta call a cat a cat.
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I heard they get paid a lot, lot more to do actual fighting than getting periodically get shot up by part time farmers. Suppose you have to work for it.
"All parties to avoid torture" boy does that sound strong? They fuchen told em didn't they? Or is it so piss weak that a parent scolding the kids for making too much noise on a sleepover would do a better job...
As an about to be captured soldier I can’t see why I wouldn’t put a bullet in my own head
There is a video going round - a Russian soldier castrating a Ukrainian PoW. It looks pretty clear it’s a Russian soldier carrying out this barbarism and i would also like him to be punished under laws of Donbas and Donetsk - i.e death.
It’s the last post I’ll say here. I started off being appalled at the prospect of an actual war between two nations as close as each other. Nevertheless it happened and I was still appalled. I have to say that I was always entirely convinced that Ukrainians shelled innocent civilians in Donbas and Lughanks - for anyone to deny that Ukraine didn’t shell this area - would be the same as to say as Banyn Yar didn’t happen or Katyn.
I don’t know why you’d post that. Why can’t liz truss whom was flippant in her advice in regards to mercenaries - why can’t she just humour Pishulin. In a grand scheme of things it’s not going to do anything. It’s poor statesmanship - it’s all is.
So how is this war going? What's the score? Who has more possession? Too soon to joke about it?
Mind boggling to think that classless second Tweet is a genuine post from a Russian Embassy, even if its a quote from a Youtube video. And shortly after crying about escalatory rhetoric as well. They really are a lost cause at this point, it's going to be a long road back for Russia.
So tell me what’s so bad about it mate. Im genuinely awaiting another western embarrassment. You can add it on top. We’re by no means perfect but you’ve done sure made it personal.
You're not an idiot mate, you know exactly what's so bad about it.
Debatable
Thanks mate
Why would you joke about it?
let’s see if Russia refuses U.N now just like Ukraine In Bucha.